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democratsruletheday

(1,632 posts)
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:08 PM Oct 5

Fuck Bill Maher....thought that needed a thread of it's own

what a smarmy, weasely sell out he is. His criticism of K. Harris holds NO water with anyone as he has no credibility left. Can't stand his ugly assed face. His insecurity overshadows everything he says and does. How far he's fallen. For the record, I supported Harris in 2020 to no avail as well as 2024. I respect her immensely but as a lifelong Dem I'm looking at Pritzker or Shapiro next time around. That said, she's a beacon of morality, hope and intelligence who doesn't deserve being dragged through the mud by a twerp like Maher.

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Fuck Bill Maher....thought that needed a thread of it's own (Original Post) democratsruletheday Oct 5 OP
I stopped watching Maher a very long time ago LetMyPeopleVote Oct 5 #1
Me too....I was a devoted fan democratsruletheday Oct 5 #2
Yes, Maher was must see TV for me PatSeg Oct 5 #32
Amen! ihaveaquestion Oct 5 #23
I couldn't handle the people he had on the show BonnieJW Oct 5 #93
Seriously, people like Steve Bannon and Roger Stone AdamGG Oct 6 #112
I agree. Faux pas Oct 5 #3
I stopped watching him years ago because he is a misogynist pig. milestogo Oct 5 #4
That's why i can't stand him Danmel Oct 5 #7
He's also no friend to the Trans community and thinks that Milo (something-greek) "has a point there"... QueerDuck Oct 5 #36
That figures. milestogo Oct 5 #58
Perhaps it's the weed? vapor2 Oct 5 #5
Nah, it's just the 'inferior person pissed that just being male isn't enough to be great' pouty personality. Attilatheblond Oct 5 #13
Maher is a textbook definition of main character syndrome. Initech Oct 5 #19
Main character syndrome- I learned this today. underpants Oct 5 #29
Weed doesnt make you feel anything youre not. IbogaProject Oct 5 #22
I stopped watching even the rare occasions he was on Ritabert Oct 5 #6
The country is in crisis KT2000 Oct 5 #8
I respect her immensely too and she was put in a tough position by not being able -- or willing -- to criticize Biden. Silent Type Oct 5 #9
What was "broke with Biden"? He didn't give up earlier? CTyankee Oct 5 #14
Kind of tough going from "people are starving and living paycheck to paycheck" to Biden's economy is fine. Silent Type Oct 5 #16
History will judge. I did not see a great deal of threads here on DU warning us about Biden's age until that moment on CTyankee Oct 5 #20
Some idiot had him take an Ambien! ihaveaquestion Oct 5 #25
He took it before the debate? OMG. CTyankee Oct 5 #28
What I heard on a reputable podcast was that he was suffering from severe jetlag and someone had him take an Ambien. ihaveaquestion Oct 5 #30
There is no way they gave him an ambien before a debate. mr715 Oct 5 #76
"The entire jetlag story is suspect." BumRushDaShow Oct 5 #88
He spent six days at Camp David prior to the debate - that should have been enough time to get over jetlag. Midwestern Democrat Oct 5 #89
Not at his age BumRushDaShow Oct 5 #91
The jetlag excuse was BS mr715 Oct 5 #90
I don't give a shit about 45 and his garbage RW talking points BumRushDaShow Oct 5 #92
If being 80 meant he didn't have the stamina to do this, mr715 Oct 5 #95
"This was a fight against fascism." BumRushDaShow Oct 6 #106
I agree mostly mr715 Oct 6 #123
The bigger problem with that debate BumRushDaShow Oct 6 #124
Entirely agree nt mr715 Oct 6 #125
OTC Sleep Meds mr715 Oct 5 #75
No he didn't mr715 Oct 5 #73
Such threads would most likely have been hidden. Crunchy Frog Oct 5 #81
Biden saved us in 2020; unfortunately, he was unable to do so in 2024. Bluepinky Oct 6 #109
The issue is Bill Maher, not Harris SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #37
That's your issue. My issue is accuracy and intent of book, blaming Biden, how we lost, etc. Silent Type Oct 5 #39
No, it's the issue of the OP SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #41
He's a haughty, snide misogynist who poli-junkie Oct 5 #10
Both siderism addiction... pbmus Oct 5 #11
Agree. joshdawg Oct 5 #18
His peak was that one episode of Murder She Wrote. IrishAfricanAmerican Oct 5 #12
What about " Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death"? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #33
🤣 IrishAfricanAmerican Oct 5 #57
this, absolutely this was his peak! nt Annie Moosee Oct 5 #62
BRAVO! Paladin Oct 5 #15
Agreed - I can't understand why some DUers call Maher a "both-sider" FakeNoose Oct 5 #97
Fuck Bill Maher Prairie Gates Oct 5 #17
Post removed Post removed Oct 5 #44
Calls himself "Libertarian"..... markbark Oct 5 #21
K&R red dog 1 Oct 5 #24
So much space by so many for someone they despise question everything Oct 5 #26
But I still look forward to the weekly post, johnnyfins Oct 5 #27
Most Of These So Called Pundits Are Enertainers First. BBbats Oct 5 #31
Yeah, I got fed up with him in 2020 and stopped watching LymphocyteLover Oct 5 #34
Name calling ("smarmy, weaselly, twerp...") is addictive gulliver Oct 5 #35
Harris wanted to go on Rogan SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #38
Wow I didn't know that! BlueHurricane Oct 5 #40
It should have happened gulliver Oct 5 #45
How? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #46
Rogan has gone on record saying why the interview didn't happen - she wouldn't do the standard three hour Midwestern Democrat Oct 5 #51
People in her campaign tell a different story SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #55
Maybe a link can point to it being one-sided as you say. gulliver Oct 5 #60
I tend to believe the democrats SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #63
Joe Roegan had nothing to do w/her loss MakeThemCry Oct 6 #122
Rogan comments - plus Maher laughing at a "dead Gaza baby" joke womanofthehills Oct 5 #50
You believe the guy who endorsed Trump SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #56
Rogan would have gotten over 50 million views if he had on Kamala womanofthehills Oct 6 #114
It would have been big for both of them SocialDemocrat61 Oct 6 #116
Well said. Gimpyknee Oct 5 #69
Welcome to the club? Iggo Oct 5 #42
The best thing we can do is not mention his name, ever. Buddyzbuddy Oct 5 #43
Hard to do SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #47
Please understand, my non response is not directed at you, Buddyzbuddy Oct 5 #67
yeah, it's "hard" for those who... themaguffin Oct 5 #84
That's what I've been encouraging to do about Charlie Kirk. Gimpyknee Oct 5 #72
Who's Charlie Kirk? JoseBalow Oct 5 #78
Bravo! Gimpyknee Oct 6 #121
Me, too. And I caught hell for it. Iggo Oct 5 #83
Sounds serious Torchlight Oct 6 #119
His misogyny keeps spilling out. nt SunSeeker Oct 5 #48
I know someone who went to school with him. Miles Archer Oct 5 #49
Others who knew him don't say good things SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #52
The only times I see Maher are when my DVR BigmanPigman Oct 5 #53
A misogynist will always hate on strong, accomplished women dlk Oct 5 #54
He lost me back in the baby bush years UpInArms Oct 5 #59
Truth debsy Oct 5 #61
Yes, yes John Coktosten Oct 5 #64
he has always been a mixed bag Skittles Oct 5 #65
He is a prime example of why two of the most qualified candidates lost. HRC and Kamala Harris are more qualified than tulipsandroses Oct 5 #66
He's always been an asshole. nt iemanja Oct 5 #68
Why do people post Bill Maher show info on DU? I agree with DRTD. Fuck him! Greybnk48 Oct 5 #70
Bill Maher is a misogynist. 1WorldHope Oct 5 #71
I started watching him during the first orange turd reign of terrorist kimbutgar Oct 5 #74
Photo Op? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 5 #77
Wow with another odious person kid rock. kimbutgar Oct 5 #85
He flip flops so much I think he's Lindsey Grahams weed smoking brother n/t Cheezoholic Oct 5 #79
I judge people by their values and beliefs Keepthesoulalive Oct 5 #80
I repeat LittleGirl Oct 5 #82
BM is arrogant and conceited Clouds Passing Oct 5 #86
Bill who? Blue Owl Oct 5 #87
We can add Bill Maher to the pile of old bitter rich white men. DingleBerryNW Oct 5 #94
Whether we're talking Maher or some right-wing "conservative" pundit, you already know who they're going to emulate. slightlv Oct 5 #96
Either her or Newsome Be The Light Oct 5 #98
Years ago, he was a guest on "Finding Your Roots" soldierant Oct 5 #99
He is anything but funny. His ass really showed during the writer's strike. He couldn't come up with squat on his own. Scalded Nun Oct 6 #100
who??? niyad Oct 6 #101
I always love Keith Olberman's memories Hassler Oct 6 #102
Maher is an @$$hole. CentralMass Oct 6 #103
He's been that way for decades Orrex Oct 6 #104
I think it's because he's such a damn disappointment to a whole lot of people FullySupportDems Oct 6 #105
wow.... jaymac Oct 6 #107
Meh. He's a stand up comedian. He has a little panel show once a week. IcyPeas Oct 6 #108
K SocialDemocrat61 Oct 6 #110
Long ago, I subscribed to HBO just so I could watch his show. OMGWTF Oct 6 #111
Harris made mistakes North Coast Lawyer Oct 6 #113
what do you mean by "good" candidates? CTyankee Oct 6 #115
He wants so badly to be accepted by the popular kids. tavernier Oct 6 #117
Can't stand that sexist twit. Dave Bowman Oct 6 #118
Was never a fan mvd Oct 6 #120

democratsruletheday

(1,632 posts)
2. Me too....I was a devoted fan
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:13 PM
Oct 5

back when he was with ABC and his early days of HBO but quit him long ago. He's becoming more irrelevant by the day

PatSeg

(51,113 posts)
32. Yes, Maher was must see TV for me
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:31 PM
Oct 5

for a number of years. I really looked forward to his show every week. Now he's turned into someone I cannot recognize or he outwardly became the jerk he always was. I am surprised he still has a show.

ihaveaquestion

(4,175 posts)
23. Amen!
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:04 PM
Oct 5

I subscribed to HBO in part because his show was there. (I stayed for GOT, but I digress.) Then he started to turn my stomach and I stopped watching him.

I got tired of being berated for being a stupid liberal and he was just so vile toward anyone he deemed beneath himself, that I couldn't stand the sight or sound of him.

BonnieJW

(3,032 posts)
93. I couldn't handle the people he had on the show
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:26 PM
Oct 5

They would say shit, and maher wouldn't challenge them.

AdamGG

(1,810 posts)
112. Seriously, people like Steve Bannon and Roger Stone
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:27 PM
Oct 6

and instead of nailing them with critical questions, Maher kisses their ass for having the courage to come into the "lions den" - a studio audience where like 1/3 of the people are professional laughers. One exception was when Milo Yianopoulis got eaten alive by Maher's panel (Larry Wilmore and Malcolm Nance). Maher had some good moments over the years, but he has long since jumped the shark.

The last straw for me was this year he went to meet with Dump because his "good friend" Kid Rock recommended it and then Maher spent his time normalizing Trump and saying that he's not a bad guy. Fuck him.

QueerDuck

(211 posts)
36. He's also no friend to the Trans community and thinks that Milo (something-greek) "has a point there"...
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:45 PM
Oct 5

with regard to transgender people being forced to use a public restroom based on the gender assigned at birth.

Yiannopoulos. That's it. It's just a different way to spell "fucking-asshole-jerk".

Attilatheblond

(7,472 posts)
13. Nah, it's just the 'inferior person pissed that just being male isn't enough to be great' pouty personality.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:50 PM
Oct 5

Initech

(106,526 posts)
19. Maher is a textbook definition of main character syndrome.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:56 PM
Oct 5

He'll say whatever ruffles the most feathers in order to get the most clicks.

underpants

(193,451 posts)
29. Main character syndrome- I learned this today.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:28 PM
Oct 5

That perfectly fits Maher Fuentes Kirk etc, they have to go to a next extreme to keep interest and attention. Kirk did that better than Fuentes and it embarrassed him and his Groypers. That’s why one of them killed Kirk.



You’re the Star of the Show With Main Character Syndrome

Being the center of attention doesn’t mean you have to exile your guest stars

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-to-know-about-main-character-syndrome

IbogaProject

(5,167 posts)
22. Weed doesnt make you feel anything youre not.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:03 PM
Oct 5

Weed can only help with compassion if you are able to feel at least a little inkling towards that.

In his case that smug selfish attitude is alcohol mixed with stimulants or even psychedelics used in low doses as a stumulant. There are other prescription medicines that fuel the syncopates of this late stage capitalism like him and many politicans, captians of industry and pundants.

Ritabert

(1,709 posts)
6. I stopped watching even the rare occasions he was on
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:24 PM
Oct 5

The final straw was a cringe worthy show with Anne Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos. Truly awful.

KT2000

(21,760 posts)
8. The country is in crisis
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:31 PM
Oct 5

and Maher thought it would be a good time to blame the Democratic women for not being strong enough. He has made it to total irrelevancy.

Silent Type

(11,421 posts)
9. I respect her immensely too and she was put in a tough position by not being able -- or willing -- to criticize Biden.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:31 PM
Oct 5

But Maher is not the only one that thinks the book is a bunch of excuses. I think she would have won had she broke with Biden. Of course that might have caused more Democrats to sit home.

Although it doesn't matter now, I wonder if she would have been better off if Biden had stepped down from office and she were then Prez like some suggested. Sadly, we'll be questing 2024 for decades, just like 2016.


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/24/kamala-harris-book-tour-democrats-00577679

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/kamala-harris-book-107-days-presidential-election-candidacy-rcna233174

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5516157-harris-memoir-democrats-divided/

https://www.bostonherald.com/2025/09/24/editorial-harris-plays-the-blame-game-in-new-book/

CTyankee

(67,244 posts)
14. What was "broke with Biden"? He didn't give up earlier?
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:51 PM
Oct 5

That was a mistake but I have a certain amount of empathy for him. Compared to the evil of Trump his mistake was just not giving into his age and disability. It was tragic but his was not an evil act. I cut the guy some slack. I know it's hard to forgive, given what happened, but his intent was not evil.

Silent Type

(11,421 posts)
16. Kind of tough going from "people are starving and living paycheck to paycheck" to Biden's economy is fine.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:55 PM
Oct 5

In any event, considering the threat trump presented, we had one job in 2023/2024, beat trump. We failed.

CTyankee

(67,244 posts)
20. History will judge. I did not see a great deal of threads here on DU warning us about Biden's age until that moment on
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:00 PM
Oct 5

live TV where he just got neurologically absent. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see it coming. Perhaps other DUers did but I never saw threads that warned us of the coming disaster. Did you?

ihaveaquestion

(4,175 posts)
25. Some idiot had him take an Ambien!
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:09 PM
Oct 5

I've taken Ambien and it's a hell of a sedative! Talk about slurring words and losing the thread! It's akin to taking phenobarbital.

CTyankee

(67,244 posts)
28. He took it before the debate? OMG.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:25 PM
Oct 5

I'm old like Biden and I wouldn't dare take it AT ALL! I am terrified by the effect of drugs on my body. I take only OTC sleep meds and then only right before bed.

ihaveaquestion

(4,175 posts)
30. What I heard on a reputable podcast was that he was suffering from severe jetlag and someone had him take an Ambien.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:29 PM
Oct 5

Stupid, stupid, move! My memory of it is you have about 20 min of lucidity before you're fighting off instantaneous deep sleep. It's not good sleep either (no REM) which is why I stopped taking it.

mr715

(2,113 posts)
76. There is no way they gave him an ambien before a debate.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:25 PM
Oct 5

There was an entire narrative amongst the right wing people that they were giving "sleepy Joe" cocaine to amp him up. They didn't give him ambien.

The entire jetlag story is suspect. I remember him being hunkered down in DE to prepare. Maybe it was MA. Either way, it is potently stupid to pop an ambien before a debate and the President shouldn't have taken it. He should've been informed enough not to take a sleeping pill to combat his perceived sleepiness.

Ambien also tends to cause disinhibition. Something along the lines of 2-3 (or 7) drinks. Biden was not disinhibited, he was vacant.


Edit -- It was Hunter that alleged the ambien. He is not exactly a reliable source.

BumRushDaShow

(161,644 posts)
88. "The entire jetlag story is suspect."
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 07:54 PM
Oct 5

It's not "suspect".

He flew to France to participate in the D-Day 80th anniversary June 5 - 8. Meanwhile his son's trial was wrapping up and rather than stay in Europe to attend his next big event - the G7 in Italy June 13 - 14, he flew back to Washington to give a previously-scheduled speech about gun safety on June 11, then flew home to Wilmington to see his son the same day just after his trial concluded, where this happened -

(snip)

The verdict came down as the president prepared to give a speech at a conference hosted by the Everytown for Gun Safety Action Fund in Washington. He did not mention his son as he spoke about his administration’s efforts to stop gun violence and the need to ban so-called assault weapons.

Hours after the conviction, President Biden hugged his son after landing in Wilmington to spend the night with family before leaving Wednesday for the Group of Seven leaders conference in Italy. Hunter Biden, his wife and their child greeted the president on the tarmac, and the president lingered to visit with them for several minutes.

(snip)


After that, it was off to Italy, where he signed a security agreement with Zelenskyy on June 13 (met with Pope Francis on the sidelines on June 14), and then at the conclusion of the summit, came back home to prepare for the debate, which was June 27.

When I saw his schedule at the time, I was like OMFG.
89. He spent six days at Camp David prior to the debate - that should have been enough time to get over jetlag.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 07:58 PM
Oct 5

BumRushDaShow

(161,644 posts)
91. Not at his age
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:09 PM
Oct 5

Hell, I'm 20-some years younger and that first half of June was brutal.

I remember in my 30s when I needed to visit my direct reports and did 6 cities in 8 weeks. I had what I dubbed "plane neck" for a month after.

mr715

(2,113 posts)
90. The jetlag excuse was BS
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:01 PM
Oct 5

The Trump people were all about lowering expectations for Trump bc Biden was resting and doing debate prep for a week. A week.

Biden was not jetlagged.

BumRushDaShow

(161,644 posts)
92. I don't give a shit about 45 and his garbage RW talking points
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:16 PM
Oct 5

I'm talking about an 80-year old man who did 2, back to back trips overseas, attended major ceremonial events with speeches and lots of walking, as well as negotiating with other members of the G7 to support Ukraine, AND having his own family issues with his last remaining son, who was concluding a bogus trial, while his wife was trying to hold down the fort.

It's incredible the depths that people will go to NOT THINK about that and for fuck's sake, be FOR REAL. He's not a fucking "super human".

mr715

(2,113 posts)
95. If being 80 meant he didn't have the stamina to do this,
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:47 PM
Oct 5

then he shouldn't have attempted it.

This was a fight against fascism. He made the decision. We can't have it both ways. All those things - those summits, the family stuff, all of that is insignificant in light of what Trump has done.

Edit -- And if he was 40 and didn't have the stamina, he shouldn't have attempted it. Those overseas trips didn't matter one iota as much as that debate. And after Kamala Harris lost, the "Trump proofing" Biden did mattered less than dirty toilet paper. I feel as though we - somewhat activist Democrats, knew our enemy. I'm not convinced the campaign did.

BumRushDaShow

(161,644 posts)
106. "This was a fight against fascism."
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 05:04 AM
Oct 6

You are looking back at 2024 from the completely unprecedented current 2025, like "Monday morning quarterbacking". Attempting to bring any kind of sense to it even this soon, is a fool's errand.

It has been a conflagration of 30 years of GOP efforts since Newt Gingrich helped the GOP take the House 30 years ago, after 40 years of being out of control of it, and starting the ball rolling to today. I.e., it didn't happen "overnight". It was planned and sustained over the decades.

I post this every so often how Gingrich began the decline of the modern U.S. legislative process -

The Man Who Broke Politics

Newt Gingrich turned partisan battles into bloodsport, wrecked Congress, and paved the way for Trump’s rise. Now he’s reveling in his achievements.

Story by McKay Coppins
November 2018 Issue

Updated on October 17, 2018

[snip]

On June 24, 1978, Gingrich stood to address a gathering of College Republicans at a Holiday Inn near the Atlanta airport. It was a natural audience for him. At 35, he was more youthful-looking than the average congressional candidate, with fashionably robust sideburns and a cool-professor charisma that had made him one of the more popular faculty members at West Georgia College. But Gingrich had not come to deliver an academic lecture to the young activists before him—he had come to foment revolution.

“One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.” For their party to succeed, Gingrich went on, the next generation of Republicans would have to learn to “raise hell,” to stop being so “nice,” to realize that politics was, above all, a cutthroat “war for power”—and to start acting like it.

The speech received little attention at the time. Gingrich was, after all, an obscure, untenured professor whose political experience consisted of two failed congressional bids. But when, a few months later, he was finally elected to the House of Representatives on his third try, he went to Washington a man obsessed with becoming the kind of leader he had described that day in Atlanta. The GOP was then at its lowest point in modern history. Scores of Republican lawmakers had been wiped out in the aftermath of Watergate, and those who’d survived seemed, to Gingrich, sadly resigned to a “permanent minority” mind-set. “It was like death,” he recalls of the mood in the caucus. “They were morally and psychologically shattered.”

But Gingrich had a plan. The way he saw it, Republicans would never be able to take back the House as long as they kept compromising with the Democrats out of some high-minded civic desire to keep congressional business humming along. His strategy was to blow up the bipartisan coalitions that were essential to legislating, and then seize on the resulting dysfunction to wage a populist crusade against the institution of Congress itself. “His idea,” says Norm Ornstein, a political scientist who knew Gingrich at the time, “was to build toward a national election where people were so disgusted by Washington and the way it was operating that they would throw the ins out and bring the outs in.”

[snip]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/


Right now, we are seeing the fruits of Gingrich's labor. It didn't happen overnight, It took decades to completely twist the GOP into knots. And ironically, Democrats are now at the stage the GOP was post-Watergate.

The one thing that characterizes many of the most notable politicians, is they have "an ego". And Joe Biden certainly has a healthy one that eventually propelled him to the White House (not just the 2 terms as a "2nd", but finally to the top).

But the difference between him and other politicians is that he also had humility and empathy, traits that are *supposed to be* "liberal" but that the RW MAGats eschew as "weak" and "toxic".

Focusing on one "debate", when in 2020, the fucking loon blew off the debate process after his first, and no one cared, shows how meaningless and outdated "debates" are. They were made for an era before radio, television, and the internet, where a select few of the "general public" could hear the different perspectives of candidates, and the print media would summarize the responses for the rest.

Now debates are slickly produced, over-hyped "events" that are manipulated by the networks that sponsor them, and the moderators that skew them "for ratings". After the fiasco of 2020, the RNC exited the Commission on Presidential Debates, and that organization is all but dissolved.

When the SCOTUS decided "Citizen's United", a landmark 2010 case that few seem to realize involved the-then 2008 and later 2016 Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and the RW's bogus "film" about her ( "Hillary: The Movie" ), THAT opened the floodgates of money into elections. And with enough money, a candidate can literally "buy an election" and that is what happened here.

I had wished that after Citizen's United, John McCain and Russ Feingold could have gotten together to tweak the language of the
campaign finance law that they spearheaded, that was overturned with that ruling, and that could have blunted what eventually happened after. But that didn't happen.

mr715

(2,113 posts)
123. I agree mostly
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 04:50 PM
Oct 6

But not entirely. I am looking at 2024 through the lens of what happened on Jan 6.

I agree with you that Newt Gingrich is probably the catalyst that fed the malignancy in our politics.

The debate in showed how effective Biden could be. He was righteous and forceful and did not give Trump an inch. This was a far cry from the 2024 debate.

It is a shame how it went down - it was painful to watch.

BumRushDaShow

(161,644 posts)
124. The bigger problem with that debate
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 04:58 PM
Oct 6

was not Biden but the fact that people (including here when critiquing Biden) "normalized" 45's INSANE babbling and lies.

We know he does nothing but gish gallop bullshit, but then to attack someone attempting to "act normal" and respond "normally", establishes how these debates have become more "show" than "substance", which is why they need to end.

mr715

(2,113 posts)
75. OTC Sleep Meds
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:21 PM
Oct 5

Are pretty bad. They are some associations with chronic use and neurodegeneration. They operate on the histamine system in the brain which is responsible for natural wakefulness and arousal. They also have immune effects that I'm not entirely up to date on.

By contrast, drugs like ambien operate on GABA, producing a much more natural "sleepiness" and they have a significantly shorter half-life in the body so they are less likely to produce hangovers. Plus, in my subjective experience, they are much more fun.

I've taken ambien for a long time. It has lost some of its efficacy, but when I started I could pop one right before bed and would wake up 7 hours later no alarm necessary like clockwork. Feeling great.

Plus, never impaired my debate performance.

Crunchy Frog

(28,101 posts)
81. Such threads would most likely have been hidden.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:53 PM
Oct 5

If not hidden they would have generated avalanches of outrage that most people would rather not deal with.

I'm pretty sure that there were discussions outside of the DU bubble.

Bluepinky

(2,493 posts)
109. Biden saved us in 2020; unfortunately, he was unable to do so in 2024.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 06:26 AM
Oct 6

I don’t fault him or Kamala. The loss has led to tragic consequences, but the reasons for the loss are multi factorial (including widespread disinformation, voter suppression, gerrymandered districts, and possible election fraud).

SocialDemocrat61

(5,965 posts)
37. The issue is Bill Maher, not Harris
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:45 PM
Oct 5

What do you think of Maher? Do you still watch his show? Are you ok with his trip to Mar A Lago and his glowing review of Trump? What do you think of his views on vaccines? Do you have any problems with his bigotry and sexism?

Silent Type

(11,421 posts)
39. That's your issue. My issue is accuracy and intent of book, blaming Biden, how we lost, etc.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:50 PM
Oct 5

But I get lots of people prefer to bash someone who utters inconvenient truth, than want to address it.

poli-junkie

(1,428 posts)
10. He's a haughty, snide misogynist who
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:33 PM
Oct 5

slurs his distain for liberals under a rank cloud of reefer.

Fuck that guy.

pbmus

(13,114 posts)
11. Both siderism addiction...
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:41 PM
Oct 5

There is no other side when they are neo nazi fascists dressed up like conservative Christian, and he gives them a legitimate platform, just like Van Jones is doing with Kirk.

Paladin

(31,778 posts)
15. BRAVO!
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 03:52 PM
Oct 5

I'm always up for a Maher-trashing session, here at DU. For the life of me, I can't understand why Maher still receives any support whatsoever from Democrats. Years and years of gratuitous Democrat-trashing on that shitty show of his---and then that blowjob of a visit to the trump White House, complete with after-the-fact complements. Unforgivable. If you're still contributing to his ratings and personal wealth by watching his show, please stop.

FakeNoose

(38,985 posts)
97. Agreed - I can't understand why some DUers call Maher a "both-sider"
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 09:45 PM
Oct 5

He has never taken the side of the Dems, for as long as I can remember. Maybe he might hold back on smarmy praise of the Repukes occasionally, but that's not the same thing. I don't believe he ever voted D, even as a young man. I haven't seen his show for probably 10 years, whenever he came right out and admitted he's a libertarian. That turned me off forever.

Response to Prairie Gates (Reply #17)

question everything

(51,156 posts)
26. So much space by so many for someone they despise
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:16 PM
Oct 5

Is anyone being forced to watch him?

I despise Velshi so I don’t watch him.

I find SNL juvenile so I don’t watch it.

And the truth is that her book does take aim at many which probably burned any hopes for her to ever be a leader in the party.

I wonder how many alert on Rhiannon12866 for posting upcoming program. Some attack these posts even immitate them (but without the doggie).

Several serious authors whose book reviews I found in regular newspapers first appeared on Maher’s show. Most recent ‘When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows…’ by Steven Pinker.

May I suggest reading a book or taking a walk outside?

BBbats

(248 posts)
31. Most Of These So Called Pundits Are Enertainers First.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:30 PM
Oct 5

They're gonna do or say anything to start controversy.
It's all about ratings & sensationalism. I take damn few,if any, of them seriously.

LymphocyteLover

(8,883 posts)
34. Yeah, I got fed up with him in 2020 and stopped watching
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:43 PM
Oct 5

Used to really think he was funny but I don't miss him at all now.

gulliver

(13,554 posts)
35. Name calling ("smarmy, weaselly, twerp...") is addictive
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:45 PM
Oct 5

I voted for Harris in 2024, and I'm also a big Bill Maher fan. I'm sorry, but it has to be said that name calling and emoting, while it feels good, is bad for us. I don't know whether it's the phones or the algorithm or what, but it's unhealthy for a party and for individuals to do that.

Name calling is a kind of shortcut, but meaning and seriousness and effectiveness come from "long cuts." At a very minimum, we have to be willing to take in a lot of information, some of it contrary to our preferred information, in order for us to achieve the worthwhile goals we have as a party. Doing the work of listening and thinking is a moral necessity. End of lecture.

Personally, I do think Harris should have gone on the Rogan show, for example. I'm extremely disappointed in our loss of that election, and I want the work to be done that we need to do to not repeat it.

gulliver

(13,554 posts)
45. It should have happened
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:07 PM
Oct 5

It was a major lost opportunity. We needed Rogan more than he needed us.

SocialDemocrat61

(5,965 posts)
46. How?
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:16 PM
Oct 5

Rogan didn’t want her on so he made it impossible for her campaign to schedule it. What should her campaign had done, kidnapped him and force him to interview her at gun point?

51. Rogan has gone on record saying why the interview didn't happen - she wouldn't do the standard three hour
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:31 PM
Oct 5

interview in his Austin studio - she would only do one hour and he had to travel to her - so he said, "No thanks".

SocialDemocrat61

(5,965 posts)
55. People in her campaign tell a different story
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:39 PM
Oct 5

They said they went back and forth repeatedly and even offered to go to his Austin studio but were told he was unavailable that day.

gulliver

(13,554 posts)
60. Maybe a link can point to it being one-sided as you say.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:50 PM
Oct 5

Best I can find from AIs is that the issue is "he said, she said." It was so important, and such a missed opportunity, imo, that there should be zero question at all whether it was Rogan making it impossible or not. Tbh, I can't picture, for example, Harris getting up on a stage with thousands of people in the audience and saying, "Why won't Joe Rogan interview me?" (And him not interviewing her.)

It's water under the bridge at this point, and probably a sore spot for some of my fellow Harris voters, one way or the other. Anyway, it's a side point to the point I was trying to make about not falling into the habit of "name calling" as a substitute for doing the work of engaging the deeper thinking we can do about issues.

MakeThemCry

(26 posts)
122. Joe Roegan had nothing to do w/her loss
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 04:32 PM
Oct 6

It goes entirely on the voters.

If you're willing to blame her not going on Rogan then you have to blame the entire party for neglecting independent media for so many years.

Even now, that they know the importance of it, they're still not acting accordingly.

Kamala's loss lays squarely on the American voters.

They seem to need to learn that fucking around w/fascism is a no, no.

Let's see if they learn that lesson.

womanofthehills

(10,480 posts)
50. Rogan comments - plus Maher laughing at a "dead Gaza baby" joke
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:29 PM
Oct 5

Rogan said her people wanted him to fly to her and record at a different studio but he does all shows at his studio. He said his show is 1 to 3 hrs and her people wanted a shorter time plus they wanted to edit and be in the studio with her. He said they were in negotiations for quite a while but her team never committed. I think her people let her down.


Maher laughing a dead Gaza babies joke.

Francesca Albanese:
This is monstruous. Are we in 1925, 1935 again?
We must stop and wake up.
Please US fellows. Wake up and regain your senses, of what is left of them.


Mosab Abu Tina:
Oh fuck!

What did they laugh about?????
This is outrageous!!!!
They laughed at the fact that there are so many slaughtered Palestinian babies that people can see on social media every day.


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CNN political commentator Van Jones apologises for remarks drawing backlash for appearing to joke about images of children in Gaza killed by Israeli genocide


?s=46



SocialDemocrat61

(5,965 posts)
56. You believe the guy who endorsed Trump
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:40 PM
Oct 5

an not people in the Harris campaign who tell a different story?

womanofthehills

(10,480 posts)
114. Rogan would have gotten over 50 million views if he had on Kamala
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 02:54 PM
Oct 6

Last edited Mon Oct 6, 2025, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Axios covers this - big disagreement in Dem party over Kamala going on Rogan’s. Progressives voted no because Rogan was controversial and had on Alex Jones in past. They thought it was a bad look. Kamala’s brother in law also advised her not to go on.

“# Additional Context from Sources
- Axios Reporting (November 2024): Axios quoted Palmieri directly, emphasizing the progressive staff’s role in derailing the Rogan appearance. The article noted that while Harris’s team had advanced negotiations—including scouting Rogan’s Austin studio—the internal pushback and logistical disputes (e.g., Harris’s team wanting Rogan to travel to her) led to the deal’s collapse.”
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Maher is known as a “genocide apologist”

I include a link above where Maher was laughing at a “dead Gaza baby” joke make by Van Jones. How sick is that????

Buddyzbuddy

(1,680 posts)
43. The best thing we can do is not mention his name, ever.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:00 PM
Oct 5

Not to think about, talk about or especially, write about. Obscurity is the goal.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,680 posts)
67. Please understand, my non response is not directed at you,
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:05 PM
Oct 5

but as an example of how not to talk about a subject not to be named.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Gimpyknee

(903 posts)
72. That's what I've been encouraging to do about Charlie Kirk.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:13 PM
Oct 5

Do not mention his name, do not think about him, talk about him, or write about him.

Iggo

(49,278 posts)
83. Me, too. And I caught hell for it.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 07:00 PM
Oct 5


(LOL…”caught hell” is a bit of an overstatement. “Scolded by a couple of people” is more like it.)

Miles Archer

(20,495 posts)
49. I know someone who went to school with him.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:24 PM
Oct 5

Maybe it wasn't necessarily a Stephen Miller thing, but people thought he was a prick, and did not like him. Just like Miller.

SocialDemocrat61

(5,965 posts)
52. Others who knew him don't say good things
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:31 PM
Oct 5

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@missjuliebrown
I'm so glad that so many of you get what a weasel Bill Maher is. I remember when we used to do standup, he would never talk to a woman unless he wanted to sleep with them. And the rumer was he had a separate bathroom for women at his house because he didn't want them in his. Loathsome dude.

BigmanPigman

(54,041 posts)
53. The only times I see Maher are when my DVR
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 05:35 PM
Oct 5

tapes his show and I have to delete it constantly.
Fuck Bill!!!!! Greedy traitor.
As an old boyfriend would say, "I wouldn't fuck him with someone else's dick".

Skittles

(168,058 posts)
65. he has always been a mixed bag
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:03 PM
Oct 5

progressive sometimes but he has always had a whiff of misogyny about him that turns me off

tulipsandroses

(7,993 posts)
66. He is a prime example of why two of the most qualified candidates lost. HRC and Kamala Harris are more qualified than
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:05 PM
Oct 5

many of the men who ran for president. But alas, not having a penis was their down fall. Kamala's skin color added to her loss.
Someday, I hope the " I can't vote for a woman because women are too emotional" voters admit how wrong they were.

Greybnk48

(10,626 posts)
70. Why do people post Bill Maher show info on DU? I agree with DRTD. Fuck him!
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:06 PM
Oct 5

He's not a Democrat, he's not that bright, and he's not funny. So...adios?

kimbutgar

(26,236 posts)
74. I started watching him during the first orange turd reign of terrorist
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:19 PM
Oct 5

It wouldn’t surprise me if he shows up for a photo op in the White House soon.

I don’t know what happened to him over the years but he is cray cray now !

Keepthesoulalive

(1,885 posts)
80. I judge people by their values and beliefs
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:33 PM
Oct 5

All of these actors who don’t give a hoot about all people are not worthy of our attention and defense, so I agree with the op. I don’t understand this love for Maher, Rogan and all the other unserious actors. Is it a man thing?

LittleGirl

(8,842 posts)
82. I repeat
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 07:00 PM
Oct 5

I hate-watch Maher. I don’t watch Faux Spews because my BP can’t handle it but Maher rides the fence so much that I’ve started “hate watching” him. Every time he spouts some anti-Islam or misogyny, my BP jumps and I want to shout at him. I do occasionally. I want to know “their take” even if it’s completely opposite of mine. I want to be prepared with a response.

slightlv

(6,699 posts)
96. Whether we're talking Maher or some right-wing "conservative" pundit, you already know who they're going to emulate.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:55 PM
Oct 5

I've got my dog (who just finished his supper), sitting right beside me watching every bite I take... like it should all be his at this point! Man, do they ever get you with those huge puppy-dog eyes! (LOL)

Be The Light

(120 posts)
98. Either her or Newsome
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 10:19 PM
Oct 5

But Newsome can definitely win. If we can have an untampered election. But, like the last one it will be rigged.

soldierant

(9,028 posts)
99. Years ago, he was a guest on "Finding Your Roots"
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 10:22 PM
Oct 5

on PBS with Henry Louis Gates Jr. He was disconcerted to learn that he is a "DNA cousin" to Bill O'Reilly (O'Reilly was disconcerted also.) But it's a fact that seems to ring truer every day as time goes by. I expect every sane person who has left his audience has no trouble seeing it clearly.

Scalded Nun

(1,531 posts)
100. He is anything but funny. His ass really showed during the writer's strike. He couldn't come up with squat on his own.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 12:06 AM
Oct 6

FullySupportDems

(378 posts)
105. I think it's because he's such a damn disappointment to a whole lot of people
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 01:09 AM
Oct 6

Used to look forward to his Friday shows so much, but it's been years since. He's smart and funny, and I even tolerated the male chauvinism, always just under the surface. He has to know better than what he says. A real damn disappointment. At an extremely bad time.

jaymac

(58 posts)
107. wow....
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 05:57 AM
Oct 6

I"ve come late to the discussion but just want to add my voice to all those who see Maher and Rogan as total dips****.I saw Marc Maron say bill is just running as fast as he can to stay relevant. I say, he can't run fast enough......ever

IcyPeas

(24,406 posts)
108. Meh. He's a stand up comedian. He has a little panel show once a week.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 05:59 AM
Oct 6

I usually watch the show. I don't love Bill Maher . I see some posters saying he has a fan club here - I'm not a member of any bill maher fan club. . I mean is it okay if I watch the show??? .... is it allowed ???? ... will people be mad at me??? Am I the enemy??? I don't think I've ever started a thread about him, but I have posted in them.

Meh.... he's just a stand up comic. Not that big a deal .

OMGWTF

(4,928 posts)
111. Long ago, I subscribed to HBO just so I could watch his show.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 12:24 PM
Oct 6

Now I wouldn't walk across the street to watch him live for free. Fk that guy!

North Coast Lawyer

(209 posts)
113. Harris made mistakes
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 02:28 PM
Oct 6

I don't always agree with Bill Maher but he often makes good points. I had absolutely no problem voting for Kamala (and Hillary before her) -- both were by far the best candidate in November 2016 and 2024 respectively. However, they were both far from good candidates. Both were extremely competent. Unfortunately, as we are sadly experiencing, competence is not a priority of the American people. Neither Kamala or Hillary exuded the sort of authenticity that energizes voters (Bernie would have easily defeated Trump in 2016). Both Kamala and Hillary relied on policy wonk centralist liberalism that doesn't rouse progressives but most certainly does piss off conservatives.

For 2028 I'd love a Pritzker/AOC ticket. A not loony but actually progressive ticket. I think Bill Maher would actually agree (although it doesn't matter is he actual does or doesn't).

CTyankee

(67,244 posts)
115. what do you mean by "good" candidates?
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 03:17 PM
Oct 6

Tell us what was missing. What does a good candidate do that they didn't do?

tavernier

(14,006 posts)
117. He wants so badly to be accepted by the popular kids.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 03:33 PM
Oct 6

Sadly, he’s a man with no character or substance. He will always be a side show next to the big tent.

mvd

(65,746 posts)
120. Was never a fan
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 03:54 PM
Oct 6

I occasionally watched Politically Incorrect but haven’t watched him since then.

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