"No political movement will collapse faster than Republicanism the moment Trump is out of the picture."

[mahatmakanejeeves]

Reposted by Kevin M. Kruse
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Stan Oklobdzija
‪@stano.bsky.social‬

No political movement will collapse faster than Republicanism the moment Trump is out of the picture. All of his heirs can't wait to knife each other and none of them individually has even 10% of the juice that Trump has with the median chud voter.

‪Timothy Snyder‬
‪@timothysnyder.bsky.social‬
· 21m
Someone looking at all this with a cold eye might say that Miller and Hegseth are seeking control over the power ministries before a Vance ally invokes the 25th Amendment.
October 6, 2025 at 4:17 PM

No political movement will collapse faster than Republicanism the moment Trump is out of the picture. All of his heirs can't wait to knife each other and none of them individually has even 10% of the juice that Trump has with the median chud voter.

— Stan Oklobdzija (@stano.bsky.social) 2025-10-06T20:17:27.564Z

Timothy Snyder
‪@timothysnyder.bsky.social‬

Someone looking at all this with a cold eye might say that Miller and Hegseth are seeking control over the power ministries before a Vance ally invokes the 25th Amendment.
October 6, 2025 at 4:11 PM

Someone looking at all this with a cold eye might say that Miller and Hegseth are seeking control over the power ministries before a Vance ally invokes the 25th Amendment.

— Timothy Snyder (@timothysnyder.bsky.social) 2025-10-06T20:11:17.265Z

[leftstreet]

1. More like MAGA-ism. GOPers will still be there n/t

[mdbl]

16. Very true. Where there's money to be made ruining the US

There they'll be.

[eppur_se_muova]

21. Billionaire backers will ALWAYS be there. There is no other party for them. They built this one & they own it. nt

[Irish_Dem]

2. No. There is too much money and power to be had for it to be tied to one person.

A person who is a total loser.

[BigmanPigman]

3. That's interesting.....

I have posed this question on DU more than once, "When tRump dies or can no longer function both mentally and physically, will Vance be able to continue the admin's agenda?".

I have read that it will and I have read that it won't. Is it a 50/50 split?

At this time I have no idea what a crazy cult will do in the future. "Crazy Cult" being the key words.

[bronxiteforever]

17. I was sure it would collapse when TSF leaves

Now there is so much power and money invested in that cult I really don’t know.

[Wiz Imp]

19. Collapse may be too strong a word, but I have no doubt the MAGA "movement" will be significantly weakened.

[eppur_se_muova]

24. Vance will certainly try. But if you've seen him buying donuts, you know how well that's going to work.

I foresee a stepwise, inevitable collapse, not a sudden, total change.

It's like treating sewer effluent. Get rid of the worst stuff first, then most of the rest in gradual stages. Then, at the end, let someone else drink it.

[Hugin]

40. Yeah, like the collapse of the Reagan Revolution...

Mostly astroturfing and there may even be a one term wonder tagging along. Later lots of insider books revealing how we were all played and his mind was gone before the inauguration.

[Hekate]

27. JD is owned outright by technocrat billionaire Theil. Tech-Bro Musk dismantled the government...

…and by the way afaict his flying monkeys are still in residence. Li’l Pervy, the House Speaker, is run by the Evangelical wing.

MAGA dumbshits may collapse in shock when Trump goes to his eternal reward and they realize their gov’t benefits are gone and no one’s left to answer the phone — and JD may have all the charisma of a mangy dog — but plenty of brains and outsized influence will remain to stir the rubble of our ruined republic.

[ancianita]

32. Timothy Snyder refers to "power ministries." And if shady vance knows he controls them, nothing will collapse,

at least at first. But since shady isn't trump, shady's hold on those ministries might not last because he and Thiel don't think like trump.

These are the power ministries Snyder refers to. Being an historian he knows the origin of the "power ministries" label:
The Russian term siloviki gained prominence during the presidency of Vladimir Putin,
who relied heavily on officials from the military and law enforcement agencies.
This led observers to characterize the regime as a "militocracy".
The term highlights the levels of control in political influence these security and defense bodies wield in Russia beyond their stated functions.


The Big Three:
Ministry of Defense (MoD): Manages the armed forces.
Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD): The national police force.
Federal Security Service (FSB): The country's primary security agency.

Other significant agencies that are often included are the:
Ministry of Civil Defense and Emergency Situations (MChS)
Federal Customs Service (FTS)
Federal Guard Service (FSO)
The Procuracy (the system of federal prosecutors)

Can Thiel and Vance out-maneuver Miller and Hegseth? I believe they can. But they likely won't control media or the military the way trump and Vought have.
And so, they will be "the transition" for oligarchs.
Even then, if (the Big IF) the future elections are free and fair, the current administration will (in spite of anti-Dem media) either lose to Dems, cheat, or be taken over by tech oligarchs and AI, imho.

[Initech]

4. There's still the underlying problem of the propaganda that led to this that need to be dealt with.

But I have no idea how, and I'm not touching that one with a 100,000,000 foot pole.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. Yep - that is a big problem - also people who don't pay attention to any political stuff.

More people didn’t bother to vote and are basically clueless:

Trump: 77,284,118
Harris: 74,999,166
Registered but didn’t vote: 90,000,000

245,000,000: eligible (not registered but could have voted if registered).

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Your math is off

Your numbers add up to more than the entire population of the USA, including children and non-citizens.

[Greg_In_SF]

13. There are

somewhere around 340 million people in the US.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Your numbers add up to over 400 million

At least they do as you wrote them.

[markodochartaigh]

34. As long as the clueless get

their hamberders and sportsball they will remain ignorant and apathetic. The corporate Republicans have had this country on a slow boil for decades so that those people wouldn't wake up. But Trump and the maga reich-wing of the Republican party turned up the heat to full boil. The Democratic party now needs to make sure that as the clueless wake up they find out quickly exactly what is going on and how we got here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

5. There is no one who has the evil charisma of Trump out there.

I believe it will be very hard to come up with someone who can “cast a spell” and turn millions of people into cultists like Trump does. If you read up on cults, most of these hard-core MAGATS have been brainwashed and Trump used every trick in the book successfully. I think he has always been like this but also read up on Hitler, etc.

[Marthe48]

7. Looks at watch

I'm waiting.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. It will be glorious

If we survive.

I look forward to mass acts of MAGA cannibalism.

[electric_blue68]

10. We have some chance of the road to restoration bc no one has the "follow power" of drumphf

And we have some increasing numbers Dems standing up.

[IbogaProject]

11. Wishful thinking

MAGA will run on autopilot, after all there was only erratic chaotic leadership. So the functionaries will keep it going for awhile.

[Bluestocking]

12. There was MAGA before Trump

Remember the Tea Party. I wish they would all crawl back under their rocks.

No offense to Patrick Star.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. maga before trump was leaderless but was manipulated (tea party). tRump captured them

After tRump there are a hundred leaders. Everyone thinks they are an influencer or a force of nature or the true heir or they are just an opportunist seizing an opportunity for personal aggrandizement.

Epstein is not going away and it splits maga.

The pain of economic dislocation will not be fixed by tRump and the economy for the maga tier will continue to get worse with costs rising, especially health care and unemployment. All the wannabes will say "Only I can fix it" but by that point even half of maga will know the RepubliCons have conned them and will stay home.

RepubliCons will be in disarray for quite some time.

One of the hallmarks of a totalitarian dictator is that they keep all their potential heirs close by but in a tier very clearly defined as beneath them by some distance. All together but none are allowed to become too prominent. All are monitored and know they are monitored. Yes men don't step out of line; not even the bellhop with the mascara. So it will be very hard for any wannabes to get traction before or after the event.

[hibbing]

15. I thought that after W n/t

[Mysterian]

18. If the maga sheep find a shit-for-brains like Trump charismatic

they will follow any fuhrer their billionaire masters tell them to follow.

[WhatTheFlux]

20. Magatology will endure

When L Ron Hubbard died, Scientology continued unabated, with a little martinette at the helm. When L Ron Trump dies, Magatology will do the same.

[Hekate]

22. When Timothy Snyder talks, people should listen. I know I do.

[Ford_Prefect]

23. So all that prep work J.D.'s been doing for Peter T. , Opus Dei, and the Heritage Cabal is for nothing?

[nuxvomica]

25. It depends on how long Trump is in power

If he's around long enough for the GOP to develop into a functional crime organization, it won't matter who's in charge. Right now it's only a dysfunctional crime organization. For example, the KKK started out as a purely political movement.

[Uncle Joe]

26. Well for whatever it's worth Hegseth is undermining *rump's Nobel Peace Prize chances and

he did take a subliminal jab at Vance with his "beardo" comment to the generals and admirals of the nation.

Thanks for the thread mahatmakanejeeves

[FailureToCommunicate]

28. Okay sure. But I love sound of " Trump out of the picture"

As in, gone.

[Torchlight]

29. I won;t even guess. It could be as staid yet vicious as Moscow in '53

or they might just go the other way, publicly nuts with a meltdown, each one trying to outclown the others.

Watching newcasts today, I just can't tell if we're looking at Malenkov, Beria and Khrushchev with a queit plan, or if we're watching Bozo, Krusty and Pagliacci on a nickle-an-hour burlesque stage.

[markodochartaigh]

35. Have you seen

"The Death of Stalin" on Netflix? You might enjoy it.

[Orrex]

30. Can't wait until he fucking dies.

Come on, massive coronary!

[gulliver]

31. Dr. Feelgood prescription for doing nothing?

It's just so bad for our party to listen to this sweet, sweet song of "no need to do anything." Those Obama voters we lost are just gonna come running back to our waiting arms. We don't need to change anything. The MAGA coalition will just collapse, and we'll be there waiting for fate to turn that friendly card. Always worked in the past.

[bucolic_frolic]

33. When he's gone, the left will no longer trust government, and MAGA never did.

So we're in for some camaraderie and realignment.

[bluestarone]

37. I agree that when TSF dies, it will be a huge blow to RETHUGS. I gotta wonder WHO will be their next leader?

It WON'T be vance or any other that are close to RUMP of today. Will another fucking CHOSEN pop up? I wonder.

[WarGamer]

38. Disagree... it's the Party of grievance and hate.

That won't go away. They'll find another mouthpiece.

[Maru Kitteh]

39. There's a world of difference between mega and republicanism, I think.

MAGA is an uneasy, hyper-vigilant and ever-paranoid collection of various colonies of pathogens, and they regard each other accordingly - constantly engaged in low-level warfare against each other for a more favorable position on the host.

Trump is the agar that has congealed around these toxic entities and bound them, grudgingly, together They move together like a flaming, gelatinous, killing slime mold carrying their bloated and sticky orange god like a termite queen over the flood waters.