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deminks

(11,446 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 07:35 PM Oct 6

NYC bar says Trump's murder of fishermen is "unlawful summary execution"

It's a pretty big deal that the NYC Bar Association--one of the most prominent and respected bar associations in the country--is accusing the President of ordering the "unlawful summary execution," i.e. murder--of civilians in violation of US and international law. www.nycbar.org/press-releas...

Jameel Jaffer (@jameeljaffer.bsky.social) 2025-10-06T20:40:26.143Z


It's a pretty big deal that the NYC Bar Association--one of the most prominent and respected bar associations in the country--is accusing the President of ordering the "unlawful summary execution," i.e. murder--of civilians in violation of US and international law. https://www.nycbar.org/press-releases/unlawful-attacks-on-venezuelan-vessels/

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NYC bar says Trump's murder of fishermen is "unlawful summary execution" (Original Post) deminks Oct 6 OP
He'll commit murder to distract from THE EPSTEIN FILES? BOSSHOG Oct 6 #1
He will do ANYTHING evolves Oct 6 #7
It's an international incident bucolic_frolic Oct 6 #2
Like any bully canetoad Oct 6 #3
It's the oil Dave says Oct 6 #4
With a side of they are selling soy beans to China? Attilatheblond Oct 6 #15
Zero Consequences ThoughtCriminal Oct 6 #5
Yep. And his cheerleading squad (Fox etc) love it. progressoid Oct 6 #14
*To be lawful, any use of force commanded by a U.S. President must meet the requirements elleng Oct 6 #6
Excellent brakester Oct 7 #26
Yes. elleng Oct 7 #27
Trump has no business lecturing anyone or any city about CRIME Skittles Oct 6 #8
Convicted felon, out on bail after being indicted for more felonies Attilatheblond Oct 6 #17
also repukes do all they can to ensure every nutcase is armed Skittles Oct 7 #25
Just saying that sometime replys need a million REC's. Yours is one of them!! here is bluestarone Oct 7 #23
Send Trump to the Hague (and whomever was on those chains of command should also be transferred there) ... xocetaceans Oct 6 #9
I've been fantasizing that DJT goes to The Hague and faces... BadgerMom Oct 6 #16
The people who do the tracking and targeting . . . Aussie105 Oct 6 #10
Duh! malaise Oct 6 #11
Not to mention NATO - we'll be kicked out because of this and he KNOWS it FakeNoose Oct 6 #12
But, but Trump says each of these Venezuelan drug boats are responsible for killing 25,000 Americans. Gimpyknee Oct 6 #13
Qs! So many Questions! Aussie105 Oct 6 #18
A big deal, indeed The Blue Flower Oct 6 #19
Can Rubio and the others be charged? ecstatic Oct 6 #20
Charged by who? Pam Bondi's DOJ? tritsofme Oct 6 #21
Lol. No. It would have to wait until the next Democratic president ecstatic Oct 7 #22
Yet I've heard no one in congress say this... spanone Oct 7 #24

bucolic_frolic

(52,771 posts)
2. It's an international incident
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 07:47 PM
Oct 6

Larger nations would consider it an act of war, but Venezuela is no match for the US.

elleng

(141,099 posts)
6. *To be lawful, any use of force commanded by a U.S. President must meet the requirements
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 08:52 PM
Oct 6

of the U.S. Constitution and international law. Article I, section 8 of the United States Constitution explicitly reserves to Congress the power to declare war, which over time has meant that Congress must authorize the use of military force. The President serves as Commander-in-Chief, which authorizes him to command the use of force when authorized by Congress and in cases of actual self-defense. Because there has been no such authorization to use force against Venezuela or against ships operating in the area (or any plausible threats justifying self-defense), the President’s military actions against the Venezuelan vessels and their crews cannot be justified as an exercise of the President’s power to use force authorized by Congress.

Nor is it a lawful use of force carried out under the President’s inherent powers as Commander-in-Chief. Under the 1973 War Powers Resolution, the President may introduce U.S. armed forces into hostilities only when specifically authorized by Congress or in the case of “a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.” The recent attacks on Venezuelan vessels and crew were not authorized by Congress and were not in response to any such attack on the United States, its territories, possessions or armed forces. Rather, on the facts as they have been presented by the President and the press, these boats were targeted based on a purported justification that drug trafficking presents a broad threat to national security, not that the United States or U.S. forces were under threat of “attack.”>

Skittles

(168,075 posts)
8. Trump has no business lecturing anyone or any city about CRIME
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:14 PM
Oct 6

HE IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL WHO PARDONS CRIMINALS

Attilatheblond

(7,473 posts)
17. Convicted felon, out on bail after being indicted for more felonies
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 10:04 PM
Oct 6

Seems his bail should be revoked since he is still actively committing crimes.

bluestarone

(20,486 posts)
23. Just saying that sometime replys need a million REC's. Yours is one of them!! here is
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 07:14 PM
Oct 7

A million REC's!!!

xocetaceans

(4,287 posts)
9. Send Trump to the Hague (and whomever was on those chains of command should also be transferred there) ...
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:41 PM
Oct 6

... for prosecution.

Aussie105

(7,294 posts)
10. The people who do the tracking and targeting . . .
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:43 PM
Oct 6

then blow a ship out of the water . . .

Have they considered that they may be following illegal commands?

Coast guard not intercepting these boats if they come too close?

Questions need to be asked and answered!
Where is the proof that justifies total destruction?

Imagine if China or North Korea did this to boats that came too close or were suspect?

FakeNoose

(38,995 posts)
12. Not to mention NATO - we'll be kicked out because of this and he KNOWS it
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:53 PM
Oct 6

I wouldn't be surprised to find out - after he's cold and dead - that Pootie told him to do it.

Gimpyknee

(903 posts)
13. But, but Trump says each of these Venezuelan drug boats are responsible for killing 25,000 Americans.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 09:56 PM
Oct 6

Not only is he a rapist and felon, he’s a murderer too.

Aussie105

(7,294 posts)
18. Qs! So many Questions!
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 10:12 PM
Oct 6

How do we know they are Venezuelan?

How do we know they are drug boats?

Were they in Intenational waters or US waters?

Why doesn't the coast guard do what they used to do - intercept once in US waters, seize drugs if any, imprison or repatriate the people on board?

ecstatic

(34,958 posts)
20. Can Rubio and the others be charged?
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 10:47 PM
Oct 6

Nothing will get through to tRump's dumbass but what about his accomplices? Do we have chargeable crimes yet?

ecstatic

(34,958 posts)
22. Lol. No. It would have to wait until the next Democratic president
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 07:09 PM
Oct 7

Although Pam could always turn on tRump at any moment when he's no longer of any use to them.

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