Heaven or hell?

[imanamerican63]

Trump was asked a question by Duecy Jr. “if he, Trump, would get into heaven”!

Heck, Trump did not even deserve the Nobel award! That should tell you something and everything!

[Celerity]

1. Trump said he was pretty sure he was not getting into heaven

FWIW

[Lovie777]

2. "Limbo" a religious term.................

paranormal - ghost.

I prefer ghost, cause he's gonna haunt the RWers for a long time.

[rurallib]

3. should have asked him if he was going to jail

he has some convictions as I recall

[Clouds Passing]

4. He's on the road to Perdition

[NeoGreen]

5. Alex, I'll take "things that are imaginary"...

...for $800.

[Ocelot II]

6. You have to wonder why he's even considering the question.

Maybe he knows he's actually as unhealthy as he looks. But where is he going afterwards, assuming there is a place/state of being to go to?

[Irish_Dem]

26. Yes Trump's focus on heaven right now sounds like he has been given a terminal dx.

Or he suspects that he is quite ill.

[SamKnause]

7. There is no proof of heaven.

There is no proof of hell.

[H2O Man]

9. Depends

upon how one defines them.

[SamKnause]

10. Care to elaborate ???

[H2O Man]

11. Sure.

On can think of them in terms of Santa God and Stained Glass Jesus. Or, one might think of what Jesus said about heaven being all around us. There's two examples.

[SamKnause]

12. Thanks for your reply and input.

Examples but not proof.

Anyone is entitled to believe anything they want.

I try to believe things that are true.

No evidence has been presented that would make me believe either of those places exists.

[H2O Man]

13. Really?

You don't believe the world around you exists?

[SamKnause]

14. Yes, of course I live in reality.

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I don't think the world I live in is heaven.

When the majority of religious people refer to heaven, they are not referring to the earth.

I have proof the earth exists.

I have no proof of heaven or hell.

[H2O Man]

15. That makes sense.

Last night I was wondering if you live in a city. But I get what you are saying. At least I think I do. I agree that the majority of people in the United States who are religious subscribe to Santa God and Stained Glass Jesus. I think that christianity has perverted the gentle message of the prophet Jesus. I'll give an exampl.

There was a nice lady who worked in the front office at the mental health clinic. Her husband had worked for my father in the local military-industrial factory. One evening, he choked to death a piece of chicken as they couple were having supper. During the funeral, the christian minister was saying how we should all be happy for Richard, as he had loved desserts while living on earth .... and now that he was in heaven, he could enjoy an endless supply of the best desserts. Surely, this is the theology of a five-year old.

Others tend to go by what Peter Tosh wrote in a song Bob Marley made famous, "Get Up, Stand Up," regarding heaven not being a place one hopes to vacation at after death. As my late atheist friend Rubin "Hurricane" Carter noted, it is actually the recognition that we are experiencing the miracle of life on this living planet Earth in the eternal Now.

[SamKnause]

16. I live in a rural area.

I live on 12 acres.

I am surrounded on all sides with either forests or corn and soy bean fields.

My mail box is a fairly long walk from my house.

When I am walking back up the driveway after getting the mail I sometimes talk to my cat,
that follows me like a dog.

I tell her do you know how lucky we are to live here ???

I also say this to my mom and brother when they visit or I talk to them on the phone.

I know how lucky I am.

I appreciate and enjoy all the beauty that I am surrounded by, but as an atheist I don't
attribute it to a deity. As a atheist I don't believe in heaven or hell.

I never did understand the concept of heaven.

What is heaven to me could be hell to someone else or vice versa.

My mother (101 years old) is religious and I know her idea of heaven would be hell to me and vice versa.

I am content knowing that I have one life and when it is over, it is over.

I think religion has been a destructive force and if a deity exists he, she, or it is either evil or useless.

When I die I hope people will say, she was a nice person, because I strive to be nice and to help others.

[H2O Man]

18. Nice!

I used to get a kick out of when an audience member would ask Carl Sagan if he believed in god? He would ask them to define "god." The response was almost always, "You know. God." And Sagan would mention the god of Einstein and Spinoza. The questioner was most likely confused by that!

For the past thirty years, I've inhabited a house that was a stagecoach station, located just west of what had been the Fort Stanwix Treaty Line until the Revolution. It was built in the 1790s, and luckily for me, some of the former inhabitants were talented carpenters and gardners. The large flower beds a lady made seventy-odd years ago are still here. The stone walls from way back still stand. I admire these things -- for three of the four seasons, when they aren't covered in snow -- when I take the dog for a walk through the woods and swamp, to feed the fish and birds out at my pond.

Today, I have "face-timed" with my daughter and one year old granddaughter who live in Europe. And watched film of the Beatles concert on an English rooftop. I do have to pay a couple bills today, which requires my driveway, which is part of the first turnpike post-Revolutionary War. It is pretty long in the best of weather, and much longer in the winter when I have to shovel snow. When I go to the nearest store, sometimes people greet me as "our hermit friend." Thus, quite often in the winter, I only have to pretend to start shoveling the driveway from where it meets the road, and someone driving by will plow it for me.

When local family farms ended business, "barn cats" started holding cat conventions here. Despite my children's warnings that they would move in my garage, I have continued to serve them a meal when they gather. And I enjoy putting food out for wild life when needed. (That has included my need to watch a pair of gray fox feeding their offspring.)

I'll stop bending your ear soon .... but I like discussing "religion" with some people. Years ago, a good friend was here to watch a boxing match. The winner had thanked god for his victory. My buddy made a joke about god betting Jesus on the fight as I walked him out to his car. It was a beautiful night, and so I asked him to look up at the stars, and asked how it was that he could not accept the fact that we are the exact center of the Universe, and the lord's greatest creation? He said, "You can be such an asshole," shook my hand, and left. I compare that to when I communmicated with an old school mate in 2020, a science teacher in public schools who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old. He assured me that god wanted the felon to be re-elected, and would not allow Biden to win. He said he would explain this in greater detail after the election. I haven't heard back from him.

[SamKnause]

20. Thanks so much for your interesting input.

Sounds like you live in a great place !!!

I am a true hermit.

I only leave my house maybe 5 times a year or less.

There is no place I would rather be then at home.

Since I have lived here I have adopted 1 stray dog (Baby) and 1 stray cat (Tank).

At one time I had 1 horse (Lucy), 2 dogs (Hannah & Baby) 2 rabbits (Lynyrd & Skynyrd) 1cat (Kitty Smits).

All of them are gone now except my stray cat Tank.

[H2O Man]

24. Nice!

Eight years ago, after returning from a couple of days at the Golden Gloves finals, my dogs were so happy to see me that they knocked me over, and the base of my skull hit a very hard island in the kitchen. I was out cold. Luckily, my son must have seen this before he drove off, and he came in and carried me to a chair.

By tradition, going back centuries, I waited the three required days to see if my headache would evaporate. It didn't, so I went to the nearest walk-in. I was kidnapped. I won a summer vacation in the ER and ICU. Blood pool on brain, dead brain matter. Feeling helpless did not help, so I decided to violate the warden's order that I not so much as attempt to get out of bed without the help of two nurses. If escape was impossible, maybe I could find some degree of relief. Thus, I would pretend I was sleep-walking, go to the nurses' station, and demand that one of them provide me with a bowl of marijuana. At least that got them laughng as they tried to scold me.

Upon release, I began experiencing difficulty in facial recognition. So I called my favorite medical expert, the now doctor who long ago was my sixth grade sweatheart. She identified the region in my brain that was injured, and said it might heal slowly over the next two years, but added that we are rather old now, so be patient. Despite my desire to break out singing, "I Want to Hold Your Hand," I couldn't remember the first line well enough to give me a sense of over-confidence. Better, I suppose. (I sensed she was growing tired of my calls asking for an Rx placebo for my hypochondria.)

I had been the local hemit well before this, but it surely reinforced my desire to spend more time alone. Of course, I maintain close relationships with my children and grandchildren. (I just has an hour's worth of facing-timing with my one-year old granddaughter who lives in Europe!) For unknown reasons, I have been doing more public speaking again. And I attend area No Kings rallies. But I enjoy a much slower pace these days.

[SamKnause]

25. That sounds like a lot to deal with.

Seems you have worked hard to come out on the other side.

I was diagnosed with Agoraphobia, Anxiety, and Depression in 2007.

Had to take long term disability and from there Social Security Disability.

I thought I would lose my house.

I made it through all of that.

Now I'm on regular Social Security.

I still have Agoraphobia and Anxiety but I am so happy and content.

I love being alone.

I never get bored.

I am always reading articles on line, watching YouTube, listening to Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler, and
watching videos of Larry Bird.

I catch myself smiling all the time realizing how happy and lucky I am.

I don't take anything for granted and I appreciate the little things that make me smile in contentment.

P.S. I hope this post in the right place.

[bluestarone]

19. " I think heaven is a destructive force and if deity exists he, she or it's either eveil or useless"

THIS is a true statement to me. Religion has KILLED so many people on this planet earth. Why oh Why the religious people in our country are pushing for tRUMP because of religion baffles me. We could or WILL have the same problems that the MIDDLE EAST has been dealing with since the beginning of time. How many religions and Gods do we need in America? Today we are allowed to either believe what we want to, or NOT want to. THAT, my friends will never be the same if republicans continue the path they are going. (That's my thoughts)

[SamKnause]

21. I agree.

The U.S. turning into a theocracy is my greatest fear.

[H2O Man]

23. Religion sure has

been a significant issue involved in many of human history's greatest crimes of violence. It has also been involved in lesser crimes on a daily basis. No doubt about that. And white christian nationalism is a serious threat today, and in the future.

Kevin Phillip's 2006 book "American Theocracy" (Viking) was an important warning about the growth of the threat, though one could see it crawling out from the slime back in the Reagan era, with charlatans from mega-churchs grasping political power. Of course, versions oof it have long existed, including for centuries before Europeans appeared in the Americas.

[Skittles]

29. you really shouldn't

it will make your head spin

[bmichaelh]

8. Heaven would be Hell to Trump

I expect Heaven would be Hell to Trump.

What is the core of Trump's personality: narcissism, lying and bullying.

How would Trump react to a place of no lying and no bullying.

[Xavier Breath]

17. Cake or death?

[sop]

27. Just another way of asking "Is he dead yet?"

[Coldwater]

28. Trump is hellbound

along with his minions

Case in point: