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Quixote1818

(31,112 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:46 PM Nov 18

If the Epstein files come out heavily redacted, it could actually hurt Trump more, not protect him.

At this point the public is in a full-blown “something is going on” mode, and dropping a document full of black boxes is only going to pour gasoline on that fire. It creates the impression that something big is being hidden. And when institutions look like they’re hiding something, people don’t calm down, they get louder.

A redacted release would immediately raise new questions: What was removed? Why? Who ordered it? That kind of vacuum invites leaks, whistleblowers, and anonymous insiders who’ve already seen the unredacted files. Judges, staffers, lawyers, and investigators who know what’s missing would almost certainly face pressure to speak publicly and some of them will. Once that starts, you can’t put it back in the bottle.

The timing matters too. We’re in a moment where both the public and the media are already circling this story like sharks smelling blood. A halfway release won’t satisfy anyone. Instead of ending the controversy, it prolongs it, keeps the focus on Trump, and guarantees weeks maybe months of follow-up stories. Every new leak becomes its own news cycle.

And if the files are redacted in a way that seems designed to protect Trump, that’s even worse. It feeds the exact narrative his critics already believe: that he’s using government power to shield himself. Whether that’s true or not, the perception alone is politically damaging.

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If the Epstein files come out heavily redacted, it could actually hurt Trump more, not protect him. (Original Post) Quixote1818 Nov 18 OP
yeah but it's to protect the victims.....him nt msongs Nov 18 #1
I would be shocked if there was photographic evidence. gordianot Nov 18 #2
There s definitely photographic evidence in the files Wiz Imp Nov 18 #10
Yeah, right NJCher Nov 19 #28
He's in a no win position malaise Nov 18 #3
Two things malaise Nov 18 #4
Yes. Did you see Comer has subpoenaed two banks. yellow dahlia Nov 18 #7
Yep malaise Nov 18 #8
I love Lawrence also. yellow dahlia Nov 18 #9
Those 2 banks paid out millions of dollars to Epstein victims. Wiz Imp Nov 18 #12
Sometimes not knowing but speculating is more dangerous. Ocelot II Nov 18 #5
Weren't some of the emails from the estate redacted? MichMan Nov 18 #6
I would assume the House Oversight committee who received the files Wiz Imp Nov 18 #17
It was reported that Epstein's estate did the redacting. n/t Emrys Nov 19 #22
I doubt anything that could get Trump is in whatever comes out Jarqui Nov 18 #11
Easy code to break. xuplate Nov 18 #13
Yep. Releasing "scrubbed" files will not make it go away. Wiz Imp Nov 18 #14
Pages are numbered QED Nov 18 #15
I don't think they'll be redacted Javaman Nov 18 #16
Black boxes are obsolete Diraven Nov 18 #21
hope so...nt Javaman Nov 19 #24
Paging Peter Thiel, Palantir, and "digital janitor" to clean up anything the FBI agents missed. Botany Nov 19 #27
If they come out without any Trump references Johonny Nov 18 #18
I think that is what he is shooting for. drray23 Nov 18 #19
Every redaction will be trump or a good buddy of his. sheshe2 Nov 18 #20
I've been cynical about it planj07 Nov 19 #23
"explitive deleted" H2O Man Nov 19 #25
As my Polish grandmother used to say....lie all you want... MiHale Nov 19 #26
Well Timewas Nov 19 #29

Wiz Imp

(8,389 posts)
10. There s definitely photographic evidence in the files
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:18 PM
Nov 18

Bondi already admitted it months ago. However, most damning photographic can be withheld or redacted.

c) Permitted withholdings.—

(1) The Attorney general may withhold or redact the segregable portions of records that—

(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims’ personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

(B) depict or contain child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 2252–2252A;

(D) depict or contain images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person

NJCher

(42,110 posts)
28. Yeah, right
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 08:17 AM
Nov 19

These guys are too smart to photograph themselves in a compromising position.

malaise

(291,518 posts)
4. Two things
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 09:23 PM
Nov 18

Dems need to continue to follow the money and continue asking questions re who killed Epstein. Demand every detail of the so called suicide.

yellow dahlia

(4,076 posts)
7. Yes. Did you see Comer has subpoenaed two banks.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:06 PM
Nov 18

Deutsche bank and JP Morgan Chase.

Follow the money.

malaise

(291,518 posts)
8. Yep
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:11 PM
Nov 18

Lawrence - Republicans abandon and humiliate Trump.
Now he’s tearing Johnson to bits- doubly humiliated
Thune apparently told Slobby that the vote against him was going to pass.
I love Lawrence.

Wiz Imp

(8,389 posts)
12. Those 2 banks paid out millions of dollars to Epstein victims.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:23 PM
Nov 18
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/12/1181675580/epstein-jane-doe-1-290-million-settlement-jpmorgan-chase
Epstein survivors secure a $290 million settlement with JPMorgan Chase

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/business/deutsche-bank-settlement-epstein-accusers
US judge approves Deutsche Bank $75 million settlement with Epstein accusers

Wiz Imp

(8,389 posts)
17. I would assume the House Oversight committee who received the files
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:30 PM
Nov 18

from the estate. As far as I know, the only redactions were names of victims. And that release didn't have a ton of references to specific victims.

Jarqui

(10,787 posts)
11. I doubt anything that could get Trump is in whatever comes out
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:20 PM
Nov 18

They've scrubbed it thoroughly

Wiz Imp

(8,389 posts)
14. Yep. Releasing "scrubbed" files will not make it go away.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:28 PM
Nov 18

It will only make it worse. And there are surely whistleblowers ready to tell the truth of what they know. And some of the victims this morning made clear they are ready to name names before Congress.

QED

(3,219 posts)
15. Pages are numbered
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:28 PM
Nov 18

I read on bluesky about the numbering system used - it's rock solid and "impossible" to fudge. It's called Bates numbering or Bates stamping.

What I like about the Bates numbering is that it allows you to go and check the veracity of the document image yourself at the oversight committee website: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mo...

Bear Wilner-Nugent (@saltlick.bsky.social) 2025-11-13T06:03:36.376Z




Javaman

(64,971 posts)
16. I don't think they'll be redacted
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:29 PM
Nov 18

“I bet they cooked the books”

Created, edited, removed and reassembled the whole thing so as no repuke appears in the let alone the orange asshole

Of course they are inept and this will be spotted a mile away, but that draws the Dems into a new argument, thus distracting from the files themselves

Diraven

(1,760 posts)
21. Black boxes are obsolete
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:40 PM
Nov 18

Everything is digitized now, so they can remove everything that implicates Trump or Republicans with surgical precision. They'll just omit entire files so no one can speculate whether they should have been included or not, or even if they exist. Then they'll try to argue that this is totally not suspicious at all.

Botany

(76,008 posts)
27. Paging Peter Thiel, Palantir, and "digital janitor" to clean up anything the FBI agents missed.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 07:54 AM
Nov 19

“ The Digital Janitor: also known as forensic sanitization.”

Johonny

(25,123 posts)
18. If they come out without any Trump references
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:40 PM
Nov 18

Or basically meh references, people will assume they're holding stuff. I don't think he wins this. His best bet is to delay the release until 2028.

planj07

(56 posts)
23. I've been cynical about it
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 12:10 AM
Nov 19

There is a real chance it could be the end of Trump. All depends on whether the GOP calculates that it is better to turn on him and vote to impeach or play along with his lies.

We know that if they failed to cook the books Trump is going to play up the “big lie” angle again. Just like the election, it’s a Democrat conspiracy. It worked for him before, he’d definitely try again.

H2O Man

(78,359 posts)
25. "explitive deleted"
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 07:37 AM
Nov 19

Those of us old enough to remember when Nixon released transcripts of the White House tapes agree!

Recommended.

MiHale

(12,417 posts)
26. As my Polish grandmother used to say....lie all you want...
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 07:50 AM
Nov 19

But remember the truth always comes out in the wash.

Timewas

(2,603 posts)
29. Well
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 10:28 AM
Nov 19

I am not sure but I think I heard that they were releasing the "unclassified" files, so what about the classified files, most likely the ones released will be so tame as to not amount to anything real...

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