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SamuelTheThird

(503 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 09:32 PM Nov 18

Epstein really sounds like an Intel op

Hadn't heard this before, from wikipedia

Maria Farmer, an artist who worked for Epstein in 1996, noted that Epstein showed her a media room in the New York mansion where there were people monitoring the pinhole cameras throughout the house. The media room was accessed through a hidden door. She stated that in the media room "there were men sitting here. And I looked on the cameras, and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet, bed." She added that "It was very obvious that they were, like, monitoring private moments."[121]

not just cameras, but multiple people manning them

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Epstein really sounds like an Intel op (Original Post) SamuelTheThird Nov 18 OP
I would be very surprised if something similar wasn't going on Tanuki Nov 18 #1
That's been a theory I've monitored and considered for a long time AZJonnie Nov 18 #2
We're not going to learn this SamuelTheThird Nov 18 #3
Of course. All Roads Lead To The Kremlin with a shortcut to a certain unnamed MidEast country Bread and Circuses Nov 18 #4
These men probably paid to watch mzmolly Nov 18 #5
I'm thinking they were there to hit the record & pause buttons, KS Toronado Nov 18 #8
Yep. calimary Nov 19 #12
Could have been a large scale blackmail operation dlk Nov 18 #6
That's how Epstein made his money. Blackmail. yardwork Nov 19 #32
This reminds me... Ollie Garkie Nov 18 #7
Here she tells about her encounter with Trump. progressoid Nov 18 #9
Wow. Beyond creepy. Speaks volumes. pat_k Nov 19 #13
Transcript usonian Nov 19 #26
Thank you UpInArms Nov 19 #28
Some will call it a conspiracy theory, but there is widespread Wiz Imp Nov 18 #10
We also know he had an Austrian passport with a KSA address listed on it that was reportedly "real" AZJonnie Nov 19 #14
Just read up on Maxwell's father....double or triple agent SamuelTheThird Nov 19 #16
what did you read? where? Maru Kitteh Nov 19 #24
it's right in wiki SamuelTheThird Nov 19 #25
Could complete knowledge of the Epstein information be like pulling the plug Bigerhalf Nov 18 #11
I have long worried about this jfz9580m Nov 19 #15
Back around 2001, I was supplementing my income at night video taping focus groups. Those little tapes dameatball Nov 19 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 19 #18
Facts, here: quaint Nov 19 #21
Leverage Kid Berwyn Nov 19 #19
Well, sounds like Steve Bannon was part of it all so perhaps get him in front of Congress under oath? travelingthrulife Nov 19 #20
I don't like conspiracy theories biocube Nov 19 #22
You need to read the Epstein emails 🤮 womanofthehills Nov 19 #23
Also here UpInArms Nov 19 #29
Toilets? Blue Owl Nov 19 #27
There is also the money genxlib Nov 19 #30
"I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone." Alexander Acosta SamuelTheThird Nov 19 #31

Tanuki

(16,211 posts)
1. I would be very surprised if something similar wasn't going on
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 09:39 PM
Nov 18

in the past at one or more of Trump's properties. It seems like the sort of thing he would have learned from Roy Cohn.

AZJonnie

(2,433 posts)
2. That's been a theory I've monitored and considered for a long time
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:02 PM
Nov 18

and it informs posts that I've made here, without my coming out and saying it all that often. It would explain a lot of things that seem a bit unexplainable otherwise, I'll leave it at that for now.

SamuelTheThird

(503 posts)
3. We're not going to learn this
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:39 PM
Nov 18

Way too hot to handle, and the stuff passed today deals with 'unclassified' material.

KS Toronado

(22,304 posts)
8. I'm thinking they were there to hit the record & pause buttons,
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:19 PM
Nov 18

insert new tapes or CDs as necessary.

dlk

(13,061 posts)
6. Could have been a large scale blackmail operation
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:02 PM
Nov 18

What kind of depraved people monitor cameras of rich men raping children?

Wiz Imp

(8,371 posts)
10. Some will call it a conspiracy theory, but there is widespread
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:29 PM
Nov 18

belief that Epstein was working for Israeli intelligence.

From Google's AI Overview:

While there is no definitive proof that Jeffrey Epstein was a formal agent for the Mossad (Israel's intelligence agency), recent investigative reporting based on leaked emails and documents has revealed extensive ties and a working relationship with Israeli intelligence officials.

Key findings from investigative reporting, primarily by the outlet Drop Site News, which used emails from former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and documents from the U.S. House Oversight Committee, indicate that Epstein:
-Acted as a "fixer" and "dealmaker" at an elite level, leveraging his network to advance Israeli foreign policy goals.
-Helped broker official security agreements between Israel and other countries, including Mongolia and Côte d'Ivoire, which involved the sale of Israeli military and surveillance technology.
-Established a covert backchannel between Israel and Russia during the Syrian Civil War, aiming to facilitate the removal of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, a key Israeli national security priority.
-Hosted a senior Israeli intelligence officer, Yoni Koren, who was also Barak's aide, at his Manhattan apartment for extended periods between 2013 and 2015.

Despite this evidence of a functional relationship, some sources argue that Epstein was not a formal agent, but rather an "asset" working to advance Israeli interests. Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has categorically denied the claims that Epstein worked for the Mossad, calling the accusation a lie.

The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI have stated that there is no credible evidence in their files to support the existence of a "client list" or that Epstein was an intelligence asset. This has led to a split in media coverage, with corporate media outlets often dismissing the claims as conspiracy theories, while independent media have published detailed investigations into the connections.

AZJonnie

(2,433 posts)
14. We also know he had an Austrian passport with a KSA address listed on it that was reportedly "real"
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:23 AM
Nov 19

Not some cheap knockoff, but rather, the quality of ID one only gets from a high level. There was also Acosta's comment at one point where he claimed he was told Epstein was "intelligence" and that was part of why he sorta backed off. Maybe that's just CYA kinda shit, a distraction, but in totality, considering everything, I'm not so sure. And why would ANY information about this case, as we the public have been led to understand it, possibly be considered "classified"? Yet we've pretty much been told that some of it is.

I think it's at least worth considering that the reality of the whole thing might be quite different than what we think we know

Maru Kitteh

(31,075 posts)
24. what did you read? where?
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:02 PM
Nov 19

I don’t know much about Maxwell’s life aside from court cases and photos with other pedophiles.

SamuelTheThird

(503 posts)
25. it's right in wiki
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:28 PM
Nov 19

The British Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[60]

Bigerhalf

(34 posts)
11. Could complete knowledge of the Epstein information be like pulling the plug
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:30 PM
Nov 18

that drains the swamp, world wide ?

jfz9580m

(16,200 posts)
15. I have long worried about this
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:49 AM
Nov 19

Totally inappropriate use of access for classified data. However fancy the cryptography is, without trust Whats the point

I don’t trust these creeps to be professional anymore. The system of trust only works when our elected officials and the adults in society earn it adequately. We have to keep them in line when they don’t.

And I get why the last few years have been so confusing. It is creepy peopel like these pretending to be legitimately anti establishment. These are morons who attack Dr Fauci and see Holmes and Maxwell as people to rehabilitate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Reed_Kraus

https://www.alternet.org/news-politics/elizabeth-holmes-maha/

That Kraus woman is a nightmare. And weirdly in a spat with that neo-Nazi supporter Candace Owens:

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/candace-owens-jessica-reed-kraus-maga-spat


Ie rather than seeing Dr Fauci as an overworked public official of the best kind working within the constraints of this shitty society, they see these parasites like Holmes and Maxwell as complex anti-establishment figures.

I mean yeah molesting underage people or scamming ..those are not the areas of conformity, but that’s sort of not where you start when being non conformist dammit.

I should remember to tape over my phones cameras constantly. I forget after taking pictures of my cats or garden to tape over it again.
Creeps.

dameatball

(7,642 posts)
17. Back around 2001, I was supplementing my income at night video taping focus groups. Those little tapes
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 10:19 AM
Nov 19

were valuable. Separate room, one way window, unobtrusive mikes, etc. Often it involved creation of new products or services, marketing ideas, etc. Nothing weird. The point is that more people than just the sponsor of that specific focus group would have likely paid money to see those tapes to understand their competition. I can only imagine what/who would have found these Epstein tapes to be useful and for what reasons.

Response to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

Kid Berwyn

(22,446 posts)
19. Leverage
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 11:00 AM
Nov 19
Jeffrey Epstein claimed he gave Russians insight into Trump

Newly released emails show the late convicted sex offender’s extensive network of foreign contacts, whom he corresponded with about Trump’s policy decisions.


By KYLE CHENEY and NAHAL TOOSI
Politico, 11/12/2025

Nearly a month before President Donald Trump met Russian leader Vladimir Putin in Helsinki in 2018, Jeffrey Epstein attempted to pass a message to Russia’s top diplomat: If you want to understand Trump, talk to me.

“I think you might suggest to putin that lavrov can get insight on talking to me,” Epstein wrote in a June 24, 2018, email to Thorbjorn Jagland, a former prime minister of Norway who was leading the Council of Europe at the time of the exchange. Lavrov was an apparent reference to Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s longtime foreign minister.

In the email exchange, one of hundreds released Wednesday by congressional investigators, Epstein indicated he had previously talked about Trump with Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s forceful ambassador to the United Nations, before Churkin died in 2017.

“Churkin was great,” Epstein, the late convicted sex offender, wrote. “He understood trump after our conversations. it is not complex. he must be seen to get something its that simple.”

Continues…

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/12/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-russia-emails-00648919



Above, Lavrov in the Oval Office. “Blackmail. It works.”

travelingthrulife

(3,977 posts)
20. Well, sounds like Steve Bannon was part of it all so perhaps get him in front of Congress under oath?
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 11:17 AM
Nov 19

biocube

(161 posts)
22. I don't like conspiracy theories
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 11:36 AM
Nov 19

...but it's hard for me to imagine what "national security" has to do with what Epstein has done.

womanofthehills

(10,657 posts)
23. You need to read the Epstein emails 🤮
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 11:46 AM
Nov 19

This Database Lets You Search Through All 20,000 Jeffrey Epstein Documents

Democracy Now - “Epstein & Israel: Drop Site News Investigates Jeffrey Epstein’s Ties to Israeli Intelligence”

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/12/epstein_israel

Blue Owl

(57,995 posts)
27. Toilets?
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:53 PM
Nov 19

That automatically means there's tons of tRump footage -- and sewage!

(eeewwwwwwww....)

genxlib

(6,048 posts)
30. There is also the money
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 02:15 PM
Nov 19

There does not seem to be a legit source of money.

So he was either...

-being funded by a foreign intelligence office

or

- blackmailing his clients


Either one could explain the camera setup. But the second would take time to build while the first could be funded from day 1

SamuelTheThird

(503 posts)
31. "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone." Alexander Acosta
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 02:32 PM
Nov 19

Ok, Acosta isn't exactly a pristine source of info obviously...

But read Epstein's wiki, he himself was claiming to be an agent decades ago.

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