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Eko

(10,178 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:32 PM Jun 6

Maybe its just an awkward tattoo just like Musk's hitler salute was a awkward gesture?


To be clear I am not taking a side in this issue just pointing out some things to think about.
Just saying that if you are going to attack a Democratic candidate like that but support the Org that said it was an awkward gesture on Elon Musk's part then maybe there are some more things to think about.


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Maybe its just an awkward tattoo just like Musk's hitler salute was a awkward gesture? (Original Post) Eko Jun 6 OP
No, the difference is that the tattoo was acknowledged as bad and dealt with, unlike the salute. RockRaven Jun 6 #1
I agree. Eko Jun 6 #2
Musk is a loud white supremacist struggle4progress Jun 6 #3
I agree. Eko Jun 6 #6
The only thing to think about is whether or not Susan Collins should remain a Senator. Ocelot II Jun 6 #4
Literally NOT a binary choice Boo1 Jun 7 #13
Sure it is. The binary choice is between Collins and a Democrat. Ocelot II Jun 7 #21
Right, 2 other Dems who NO ONE is talking about or giving money to. RandomNumbers Jun 7 #23
I guess we're getting down to the hairsplitting phase of this nt GenThePerservering Jun 6 #5
Making Platner about a Jewish group you dislike Sympthsical Jun 6 #7
Musk's 'Nazi salute' was a much more universally recognizable 'Nazi symbol' than Jack Valentino Jun 6 #8
Can I find both bad? EdmondDantes_ Jun 6 #9
Sure. Eko Jun 6 #10
An example of taking sides while allegedly not taking sides. NoRethugFriends Jun 7 #11
Maybe you are just attacking the messenger Eko Jun 7 #12
Actually, you are attacking a democratic candidate JCMach1 Jun 7 #14
No, I'm not. Eko Jun 7 #15
That was an embarrassing moment for the ADL EdmondDantes_ Jun 7 #17
Yup. But if you look further they report about students possibly saying anti-semitic things all the time Eko Jun 7 #18
And their follow up has been? Eko Jun 7 #20
Respectfully, with Musk there is a long pattern of behavior JCMach1 Jun 7 #19
That's part of my point. Eko Jun 7 #24
I figured it was just something done for juvenile shock value DFW Jun 7 #16
JFC! You can't be serious maxrandb Jun 7 #22
I agree. Eko Jun 7 #25
Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on? Easterncedar Jun 7 #26
Welp -misanthroptimist Jun 7 #27
Platner step bro is Seth Frantzman of Jerusalem Post fame delisen Jun 7 #28

RockRaven

(19,972 posts)
1. No, the difference is that the tattoo was acknowledged as bad and dealt with, unlike the salute.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:40 PM
Jun 6

The salute was denied and/or gas lit about, and nothing was done in remediation.

Everything having to do with the tattoo can be dealt with on its own, without reference to any other situation which is inevitably disanalogous in some meaningful way.

struggle4progress

(127,029 posts)
3. Musk is a loud white supremacist
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:45 PM
Jun 6
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/feb/12/elon-musk-posts-january-white-supremacists
Thu 12 Feb 2026 09.24 EST

Elon Musk’s longtime fixation on a white racial majority is intensifying. The richest man in the world posted about how the white race was under threat, made allusions to race science or promoted anti-immigrant conspiracy content on 26 out of 31 days in January, according to the Guardian’s analysis of his social media output. The posts, made on his platform X, reflect a renewed embrace of what extremism experts describe as white supremacist material.

“Whites are a rapidly dying minority,” Musk said on 22 January ...

Ocelot II

(131,686 posts)
4. The only thing to think about is whether or not Susan Collins should remain a Senator.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:48 PM
Jun 6

It's a binary choice; voters just have to decide which of two people will best represent the interests of their state and whether they want Democrats to control the Senate. Not voting is also a choice.

Ocelot II

(131,686 posts)
21. Sure it is. The binary choice is between Collins and a Democrat.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 12:12 PM
Jun 7

Choosing which Democrat to vote for is evaluating which of them can beat Collins. Even with ranked choice voting, you're ranking the candidates with a mind as to which of them can defeat Collins.

RandomNumbers

(19,290 posts)
23. Right, 2 other Dems who NO ONE is talking about or giving money to.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 12:18 PM
Jun 7

The fundraising and endorsement differentials are HUGE.

I wonder why that is. But it would be incredible (in a good way) if someone so out-fundraised as Costello or LaFlamme could actually win. Not holding my breath on that one.

Sympthsical

(11,258 posts)
7. Making Platner about a Jewish group you dislike
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:50 PM
Jun 6

Sorry, but I'm going to be withholding points for subtlety on this one.

Jack Valentino

(5,348 posts)
8. Musk's 'Nazi salute' was a much more universally recognizable 'Nazi symbol' than
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 11:02 PM
Jun 6

Platner's tatto, in my humble opinion......
and from a white South African, no less.....

EdmondDantes_

(2,248 posts)
9. Can I find both bad?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 11:03 PM
Jun 6

And I don't need to rely on whatever organization you're alluding to for either. I can look with my eyes and judge their actions.

Eko

(10,178 posts)
12. Maybe you are just attacking the messenger
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 01:04 AM
Jun 7

cause you don't like what they are saying?
If you can find one comment from me on this subject that shows I support that candidate then please do so and not one that you are inferring, one that I actually did.

JCMach1

(29,264 posts)
14. Actually, you are attacking a democratic candidate
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 05:47 AM
Jun 7

With a spurious attack comparing apples and oranges at a very different point in a person's life .

Stop please.

Eko

(10,178 posts)
15. No, I'm not.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:13 AM
Jun 7

Look at the part underlined.
To be perfectly clear because some people on here dont seem to understand what I am trying to say, and that is on me for not being clear enough, I see a lot of people attacking said candidate while they support and defend the ADL when they said that Elon Musk's nazi salute was an "awkward gesture". All that being said I am sure that most people on here think that musk is a straight out racist nazi pos and is responsible for platforming all that shit to a level not ever seen before. I think that the people supporting the ADL who to this day pretty much just steer away from anything musk says and does and are commenting negatively on a Democratic nominee are engaging in,,,,,
Well it don't seem right.
There are like four results on musk on the ADL website.
To bring it back around,
I'm not making an argument for said Democratic candidate or against.
I'm making a case that if you support the ADL and are against this candidate for a awkward tattoo then I don't really take that argument seriously. Cause "awkward gesture".


EdmondDantes_

(2,248 posts)
17. That was an embarrassing moment for the ADL
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 07:57 AM
Jun 7

I don't know if they said that for political reasons or some other reason, but it was a nazi salute from a guy with a long history of racist far right behavior.

Eko

(10,178 posts)
18. Yup. But if you look further they report about students possibly saying anti-semitic things all the time
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:26 AM
Jun 7

as opposed to dump and such other fools as tucker carlson. Shot, zero about Jd Vance on their site.
Shoot the ADL said

We congratulate President Donald J. Trump, Vice President-elect J.D. Vance and all the candidates who won last night. We look forward to working with the incoming Administration, Congress and all elected officials in pursuit of our 111-year-old mission — to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and secure justice and fair treatment to all.

We remain steadfastly committed to that timeless mission as we fight the torrent of antisemitism sweeping our society along with all forms of hate and extremism -- offline and online, on campuses and in schools, in the US and around the world.

JCMach1

(29,264 posts)
19. Respectfully, with Musk there is a long pattern of behavior
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:24 AM
Jun 7

That is very different from Platner...

DFW

(60,686 posts)
16. I figured it was just something done for juvenile shock value
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:34 AM
Jun 7

I very much doubt that biker gangs, for example, have the slightest idea of ancient Hindu symbols or the philosophy of National Socialism, and yet they love having swastikas on their jackets or on their skin. Peer pressure. It's what they do. But biker gangs want no government at all, and National Socialists wanted government to be everything--as long as they are the government, bien entendu. They couldn't be farther apart. Musk, on the other hand, knew exactly what he was doing.

As for absolute adherence to being a party candidate, I agree 99% of the time, but I can't forget the very first time I voted. I was 19 and living in Philadelphia (college). There was an open race for mayor. Philly was a guaranteed Democratic town, and no Republican was ever going to win the race for mayor. The city Democratic machine was as corrupt as could be, so they nominated someone they could easily manipulate. They nominated the sadistic, oafish police commissioner, Frank Rizzo. The Republicans found their sacrificial lamb, a mild, softly spoken bureaucrat named Thatcher Longstreth. Rizzo won, of course, and quickly switched parties to become a Republican (this was 1971), went down to hang with Nixon and celebrate the Vietnam war, but soon was forced to resign when it was found he was building a huge mansion costing ten times his salary. That was too much even for the Republicans. After all, this was Pennsylvania, not Florida. I voted for Longstreth, the only time I ever voted for a Republican. There was no way I was ever going to vote for sadistic, dim-witted police commissioner whose trademark was to show up at formal events with a smirk and a billy club in his cummerbund (literally! That was not a joke), no matter what his party affiliation.

maxrandb

(17,535 posts)
22. JFC! You can't be serious
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 12:16 PM
Jun 7

There is nothing....NOTHING about Platner that would compare him to that South African Nazi.

Easterncedar

(6,632 posts)
26. Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:50 PM
Jun 7

What's the alternative right now? Let Collins go unopposed?

Unless you have a better way forward, how about not doing the GOP's job here?

-misanthroptimist

(1,926 posts)
27. Welp
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:54 PM
Jun 7

The guy with the tattoo is going to win.

Just say no to trivial bullshit and vote for the candidate that can win.

delisen

(7,486 posts)
28. Platner step bro is Seth Frantzman of Jerusalem Post fame
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 11:15 PM
Jun 7

They are close in age. Frantzman was born in Maine but lives in Jerusalem and many pro- Palestinians think is an IDF asset. Seth is to the right. A few years ago Seth interviewed Graham about Afghanistan around the time Platner was working for Blackwater.
They did not reveal their relationship in the article.

I do not think AIPAC considers Platner a threat to Israel. They have formally backed Collins but they feel fine about Platner. I guess AIPAC wins either way.

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