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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was a member of the Maine Green Party. I became a Dem so I could caucus for Bernie.
I have never liked See-saw Susie, and would love to see her out.
That said, I'm not a Graham Platner fan. The Nazi tattoo was unsettling. His comment about women's responsibility in not getting raped floored me. When I heard Genevieve McDonald, who represented the town where I grew up, speak about him, it carried more than a little weight with me.
I deeply resent how the media and people outside of my state helped to crown this man, and then dismissed concerns about him. Yes, the nation needs Collins gone, but I feel like many people are completely dismissive of what some of we the actual voters want. Does it matter if Platner serves his own constituents well? Are you not the least concerned that he might not deliver for us? He might not even deliver for you, if he turns out to be another Fetterman.
We have ranked choice voting, but it's not the answer to splitting the vote. If I rank my preferred candidate first, Collins could still win. So I will have to hold my nose and vote for Platner so we can get the seat, and then hope that he will do the job well, both for the state of Maine and for the nation.
eShirl
(20,522 posts)GPV
(73,408 posts)Polybius
(22,257 posts)There is another Democrat running, David Costello. I don't know much about him, though his positions and credentials seem fine. He must have gotten lost in the money raising shuffle.
gab13by13
(33,012 posts)If Magats control the Senate in 2027 you can bet your sweet ass that Alito and Thomas will both retire and we will get a younger version of those 2.
I have read articles from renowned journalists who claim that Democrats are good at eating their own.
Isn't one of Platner's accusers the same person who defended Kavanaugh at his confirmation hearing? Did she suddenly have a change of heart about sexual assault?
I voted for Fetterman, gave money to him, IMO it was his stroke that changed him completely. He is not the same person.
Intractable
(2,538 posts)I agree with this statement. I have seen it happen with others. Bad strokes can change people, meaning among other things, that their values change.
mopinko
(74,165 posts)im fascinated w brains. i wish more ppl had an understanding of where in the brain thoughts/feelings come from.
the ugly comes from the oldest part of the brain. the animal part. its the base, and when things deteriorate, it takes over.
art, music, compassion, cooperation, those r things that evolved over time. those r the best of us. they dont call them higher functions for nothing.
SamuelAdams
(305 posts)Why did you all continue to support him over Conor Lamb after his stroke when you knew strokes change people?
LisaL
(47,942 posts)We had a good choice in that primary and still ended up with Fetterman.
Polybius
(22,257 posts)Many voted already.
Polybius
(22,257 posts)Most already voted. Which is why I was never a fan of early voting.
Celerity
(55,244 posts)No one knew at that point how badly the stroke had changed him.
Intractable
(2,538 posts)A stroke does not necessarily change someone.
We're liberals. We are sympathetic to people when injured.
His stroke was quite problematic. But, from what I could see, there was no route to abandoning him that would be true to what we value, which is often people over politics. That's one reason we lose elections.
Actually, I did not "support" Fetterman. I did not vote for him because I am in a different state.
ToxMarz
(3,141 posts)Alito and Thomas will retire in 2026 and be replaced by younger versions before then. One election is not going to fix the Supreme Court problem and and any possible gains will probably be temporary. Some sort of overhaul is desperately needed.
Boo1
(581 posts)for people who turned a blind eye to his serious question marks prior to that and voted for him anyway.
This is the same guy that chased a black jogger down the street and held him at gunpoint for no apparent reason.
chelsea0011
(10,260 posts)Ive had to hold my nose and vote for Green Party in local elections.
Intractable
(2,538 posts)GPV
(73,408 posts)went off the rails and were no longer tenable. The truth is, I was registered as a Green to keep the party alive, but since very few Greens and Socialists were ever on the ballot, I voted Dem 90% of the time. Once Bernie entered the picture, it was a no-brainer to switch.
littlemissmartypants
(35,289 posts)Seriously? I don't understand.
LisaL
(47,942 posts)he goes through democratic primary process. Then runs as an indepedent in a general.
https://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders
littlemissmartypants
(35,289 posts)Blue Full Moon
(3,755 posts)Him and AOC have brought in way more people. More importantly lots and lots of people who never voted before.
demmiblue
(40,049 posts)Joan Walsh wrote a piece for The Nation that you can probably relate to:
The Maine oysterman has been through a lot since his 20-year-old Totenkopf was revealed in October (he had no idea it was a Nazi symbol, he said. Hed danced with his shirt off at a wedding, in front of his Jewish family!). Then came allegations that he had posted, on Reddit and other social media, various icky thoughts about women, Black people and gay people. He said both the tattoo and the sometimes outrageous Reddit posts were a product of his PTSD and alcoholism from his military service, which included not only the Marines but a stint at the mercenary group Blackwater. He asked for understanding and compassion. He received it.
But consider this, when you think about whether to trust him: If the New York Post is to be believed, as recently as Tuesday he told Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, whove endorsed him, that there were no more muddy boots to drop, and that the worst of the rumors they might be hearing werent true. Then he cancelled the rest of his Washington meetings and ran home to Sullivan, Maine, to do damage control on the coming New York Times story. Even if you dont believe that story, or dont want to believe the Republican victim, youd have to count what he told Sanders and Warren as something akin to a lie, wouldnt you?
Platner did something similar in his interview with MSNOWs Chris Hayes last night. When Hayes asked him whether there were other texts, photos, floating around that will hurt the campaign, and whether he worried about it, the candidate brushed it off: Im not worried about it. There may be things out there, but theyre before I was in politics and a public figure. He repeatedly depicted the negative stories coming out against him as what happens when youre going up against an entrenched political machine. Disapproval was only coming from career politicians. Platner went on: My journey is one of transformation.
And my journey is one of disillusionment, and maybe some regret that I ever believed him. Dude, you got into politics last August. So anything that happened, say, that spring must be forgiven?
Yes, Im a little pissed off. Ive been Platner-skeptical since the Totenkopf reveal, but my Maine friends and acquaintances as well as people I respect in the broader progressive community love him. But I think Platners rocket to political stardom reflects something ugly thats developed, not only on the right, but the left: The only acceptable form of identity politics now is white male identity politics. On the left, women and people of color have been told since Kamala Harris lost in 2024, even going back to Hillary Clintons loss in 2016, that we are the problem, our identitarianism drove away moderates and white men in 2016, and in 2024, even some Black and Latino men.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/graham-platner-maine-senate-2/
Ultimately, it is about replacing Collins the greater of two evils, in this case. :sigh:
LisaL
(47,942 posts)Especially considering we likely have not heard all there is to hear about his behavior.
NoRethugFriends
(3,837 posts)LisaL
(47,942 posts)"The Maine U.S. Senate race is shaping up to be the most contentious in the country. There are worrying signs for both major, active candidates. For Collins, a bad economy and historically unpopular president are making the road to reelection extremely bumpy. Although Platner slightly leads in the poll, hes less well known than Collins, which makes voters more persuadable as new information comes out about him, said John Cluverius, director of survey research for the Center for Public Opinion at UMass Lowell and an associate professor of political science. Cluverius noted that the poll was conducted days before news outlets reported allegations of sexually explicit text messages involving Platner."
https://www.uml.edu/news/press-releases/2026/06042026-maine-senate-poll.aspx
yardwork
(69,867 posts)demmiblue
(40,049 posts)His meteoric rise, given his background, is really something.
Other than this stuff and suddenly appearing as a candidate - a venture which offers income to his family - Graham Platner has no record in politics and no history of progressivism
— Hunter Walker (@hunterw.bsky.social) 2026-06-06T18:49:10.170Z
SamuelAdams
(305 posts)Willing to do and say anything for personal advancement. Has a cult of personality developing around him who will defend everything he does and says.
yardwork
(69,867 posts)And suddenly some Democrats forgive and overlook everything else. Mind boggling.
questionseverything
(12,188 posts)I can only speak for myself but while I dont hate Israel I do hate the things they have done the last couple years to Gaza and now they are trying to start ww3 and I really hate that too
I dont understand how you accept no responsibility for the mayhem and death Israel has caused
yardwork
(69,867 posts)You said it isn't true and then you said nothing about my post.
I'll rephrase in case I wasn't clear. In my opinion being against Israel's existence, in other words, being anti-Zionist, is a litmus test for some Democrats. Those opinions are reflected in some posts on DU.
It's my observation that the question of Israel is the only thing some Democrats care about. If a candidate is opposed to Israel (anti-Zionist) then nothing else matters: the candidate is supported. If the candidate ever took money from AIPAC or ever spoke in favor of support for Israel - no matter how long ago - then nothing else matters: they are not supported.
Note that in these two posts I've said nothing whatsoever about me or you.
questionseverything
(12,188 posts)I dont try to speak for others
Sherrod brown has received tons of AIPAC money but I still support him, just another personal example of how wrong you are
biophile
(1,650 posts)And suddenly some Democrats forgive and overlook genocidal reckless expansion and war crimes. Mind boggling.
yardwork
(69,867 posts)Maine is going to have their primary this summer and Democrats will choose a candidate to run against the Republican.
It's a crucial election. Our only hope is to take control of Congress. The Democratic senatorial candidates MUST win.
Choosing a candidate to run against Collins based on a single issue is very foolish, imo.
biophile
(1,650 posts)lapucelle
(21,221 posts)Maybe he is just humoring an asshat who actually voted for Trump three times, but, nevertheless, the candidate himself did post the video.
At 2:51.
They are talking about Sanders at that point, not Trump. That said, the guy Platner is talking with is a complete idiot. He is complaining about a nonprofit buying land on Beal's Island. That would be the Downeast Institute.
For over 30 years DEI has continued to conduct applied research on commercially important shellfish species along the entire coast of Maine.
DEI exists to support fishermen and the health and resilience of Maines coastal economy by generating new knowledge about the marine environment. We work directly with community and industry partners to discover and develop methods and techniques to adapt fisheries to the changing marine environment and create new opportunities for fishermen and entrepreneurs in Downeast Maine and beyond.
https://downeastinstitute.org/about-us/
We need push back against that level of idiocy, not sympathize with it.
I am not going to say any more.
lapucelle
(21,221 posts)He said:
I wonder why Platner didn't push back against that level of idiocy rather than sympathize with it.
That's a fair question. I think candidates should be willing to push back when someone is factually wrong. My point was only that the discussion was about Sanders, not Trump's election claims. Those are different issues.
The Sanders argument isn't generally that vote totals were fabricated or voting machines were rigged. It's a debate about institutional power: media coverage, super delegates, party preferences, donor influence, scheduling, and internal party dynamics. People can disagree about the extent of those influences, but it is not equivalent to alleging a stolen general election.
Democrats who never supported Sanders acknowledge that the party establishment preferred other candidates. The disagreement is over whether that preference amounted to unfair treatment.
I was correcting a factual point because I think it matters. They were talking about Sanders at that moment, not Trump's 2020 election claims.
That said, I don't think the two issues are on the same level. Arguing that Sanders was not given a fair shake by the Democratic establishment is not equivalent to claiming the 2020 election was stolen.
My own criticism of the video is different. I think Platner missed an opportunity to push back against the fellow's complaints about the Downeast Institute rather than simply nod along. Listening to people is important, but that doesn't mean every grievance should go unchallenged.
Nixie
(18,239 posts)as their bias confirmation, and none of Sanders claims about rigging were substantiated, either. It was all a ruse to drum up anger and discontentment.
Hillary was a popular, experienced First Lady. Sanders isn't even a Democrat, so the whole "rigging" rabbit hole is completely laughable when you look at how much access Sanders had to our party's election apparatus.
So it sounds from this interview that Platner is also an Independent...? an ex-Republican turned Independent, but he is using the Democratic party as Bernie used it.
Cha
(321,402 posts)yardwork
(69,867 posts)Out of all the Democrats in Maine THIS is the best the party can do to unseat Collins?
WTAF.
questionseverything
(12,188 posts)The repubs appreciate it I am sure
LisaL
(47,942 posts)rpannier
(24,997 posts)It's not the whole video
But, in the beginning he talks about Platner, and he asks why there isn't more attention paid to Black people running who have the same politics as Platner, but not the baggage
Here's the link in case you wanna see it
littlemissmartypants
(35,289 posts)Citizens United. There could be two dark money groups, one for and one against, trying to divide the whole damned Democratic Party for all we know.
You have to follow your heart or your head, and sometimes, that can be uncomfortable to do.
The best of luck to us all.
❤️
calimary
(91,294 posts)Pretty damn frustrating, I must say.
littlemissmartypants
(35,289 posts)I'm using it strategically.
It's time for a huge helping of Feminist Justice in the midterms.
❤️
Hieronymus Phact
(777 posts)It's a chess move. Play accordingly.
paleotn
(22,998 posts)Don't take it hook line and sinker. And it wasn't outsiders who crowned him. It was Mainers. Looked at the polls lately?
LisaL
(47,942 posts)I posted a link on this very thread to the recent one.
paleotn
(22,998 posts)infullview
(1,156 posts)He credited his wife Amy a lot about his transformation and he seems very sincere. I liked what he had to say. I think he will be a good steward and fight for Maine values. I am not hung up at all on the issue of his white male identity. Weve had a woman (Collins) badly representing us for years - now its time for a change. As far as DEI, Maine is the whitest state in the union so I guess he represents our majority for this moment in time.
LisaL
(47,942 posts)him sexting with multiple women after he was married (and he is only been married for 3 years).
infullview
(1,156 posts)So lets compare. A few flaws vs a complete fucking pedo asshole. Even JFK had bad moments and No one ever called him out. People are flawed. The important this is to acknowledge your mistakes and try to do better.
Zelda_Orchid
(116 posts)Polybius
(22,257 posts)I'm a huge Zelda fan myself, I have almost 20 games spanning several systems.
Marines who served with Platner have said it is not a Nazi tattoo. I am also unsettled about his comments on rape, but let's not add rethuglican talking points to the lies they are telling about Platner and other Democrats running across the country.
yardwork
(69,867 posts)It's been shown here over and over. It doesn't matter what his former Marine buddies say or what anybody says. It's not open to interpretation.
It is a fact that the tattoo was a copy of a Nazi insignia.
When I read posts claiming otherwise I assume the poster is poorly informed.
LisaL
(47,942 posts)They said they didn't know it was a Nazi tattoo.
mcar
(46,511 posts)BeneteauBum
(905 posts)His history has me questioning his run for senate, however, Collins needs to go. I thought Fetterman would be a good fit but he hid his true convictions to get elected. Hope Platner isnt doing the same.
Peace ☮️
ABC123Easy
(438 posts)Excellent post.
Grim Chieftain
(2,264 posts)Why has he not done that? Another issue that I have brought up in other posts is the need for us to be very vigilant about who we choose to be our candidates. We need to hold them to a high standard and be very cautious. Having a "D" behind one's name is not enough. This fetid Republican regime would like nothing better than to destroy us from within - run as a Democrat, govern as a Republican.
There is too much at stake. Our country and our democracy is at stake.
eShirl
(20,522 posts)you are repeating misinformation
LisaL
(47,942 posts)Apparently nothing he did before the campaign should count against him.
Grim Chieftain
(2,264 posts)Covering it up is not having it removed.
crud
(1,315 posts)You can vote for the Dem you want, and it won't affect Collins total. It doesn't matter who wins the first round as long as they don't get over 50%. Your vote for the non-Platner candidate will not help Collins, even if you vote for every other Dem before Platner. Your vote won't help Collins. Feel free to vote your hearts desire, as long as it's not Collins. Make Platner your last choice and hold your nose. RCV means choosing the lessor of two evils is not the only strategy. Your vote for a less popular candidate won't waste your vote. This is how I understand RCV. Tell me if I'm wrong.
LisaL
(47,942 posts)She is not running in a democratic primary.
You proved me wrong. Thanks.
RoeVWade
(963 posts)what we have here. Of course, we know they threw all kinds of stuff about Obama which wasn't near true so that will happen anyway.
I was researching how he came to rise to prominence, and that's the best I can ascertain. I was more or less trying to figure out how we arrived at this situation, as it is.
yardwork
(69,867 posts)Nobody here is suggesting that it would be better for Collins to be reelected. Everybody here wants Collins gone.
Out of all the Democrats in Maine, how is Platner the best choice to unseat Collins?
It makes no sense. Platner should never have gotten this far.
LisaL
(47,942 posts)It makes no sense to me either.
leftstreet
(41,363 posts)So yes, why is Platner gaining ground when almost 30 yrs of Dem candidates couldn't?
LisaL
(47,942 posts)His poll numbers and his odds (on betting websites) aren't improving.
"Graham Platners path to the Senate in Maine has narrowed sharply after fresh allegations surfaced, with his chances now at their lowest point since he entered the race in August 2025, according to prediction market data."
https://www.newsweek.com/graham-platner-chances-winning-plunge-ex-girlfriends-report-12035097
That makes sense. And without the allegations, he'd be walking away with this.
So I only wondered why he was enormously successful as a candidate (pre-accusations) where 30 yrs of candidates weren't.
LisaL
(47,942 posts)Or they wouldn't have gotten the nomination. It's the general election where they failed.
betsuni
(29,405 posts)yardwork
(69,867 posts)I mean, it sounds like you're suggesting that the Democrats' only hope to win this seat is to run a wealthy white man who had a Nazi tattoo for decades, voted for Trump and Collins, shitposts offensive comments about women and minorities, and pretends to be a good ol' boy?
Really?
But what's been lost here - with the allegations sucking the oxygen out of the room - his initial campaigning. He packed growing rallies all over the state talking about rich vs poor, healthcare, taxing millionaires, the price of groceries, etc. He's postured as a VERY anti-establishment candidate.
Did the others before him? I don't know
yardwork
(69,867 posts)That's what's missing.
Scrivener7
(60,289 posts)mr715
(4,769 posts)How can you suggest he shouldn't have made it this far when he did?
Clearly people are buying what he is selling, so the claim that "he shouldn't have been able to" means there is something wrong in the model.
mike_c
(37,152 posts)...who has "held my nose" and voted for weak sauce dems every freaking election I can remember. It's better than the alternative. You'll get over it.
SocialDemocrat61
(8,234 posts)turned a blind eye to the Holocaust, created the military industrial complex, illegaly imprisoned Japanese American in concentration camps and even sent the army to break up a labor union strick in California.
BannonsLiver
(20,992 posts)Well dont beat yourself up over it too much. We all make terrible decisions at one time or another in life.