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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(15,351 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 06:24 PM 2 hrs ago

Trump threatens to pull unemployment benefits from all states for the first time in history

“We are officially putting governors on notice,” Sonderling said in a statement Wednesday.

“The American people will no longer tolerate the blatant waste, fraud and abuse of their hard-earned tax dollars — no state should allow it either,” he added. “If states allow it, they will suffer the consequences. This department is no longer afraid to use every lever available to ensure taxpayer money is protected.”

Trump has appointed Vice President JD Vance to lead a Task Force to Eliminate Fraud, ostensibly designed to root out abuse but fueled by the administration’s politically motivated crusade against Democratic-led states.

But advocacy groups and members of Congress have accused the Trump administration of disguising Republicans’ long-running campaign to slash social services with a veneer of “anti-fraud” enforcement.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-unemployment-benefits-fraud-b2997881.html

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Trump threatens to pull unemployment benefits from all states for the first time in history (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd 2 hrs ago OP
Does this mental midget realize that the most people who would be impacted by this shit MarineCombatEngineer 2 hrs ago #1
He'd really only go after Blue states BlueWaveNeverEnd 2 hrs ago #2
He's saying all states, although he probably meant just blue states. nt MarineCombatEngineer 2 hrs ago #4
"the most people who would be impacted by this shit are the very people who foolishly voted for him" B.See 1 hr ago #7
He precisely understands it. littlemissmartypants 45 min ago #12
"This department is no longer afraid to use every lever available to ensure taxpayer money is protected." GenThePerservering 2 hrs ago #3
BINGO! KPN 41 min ago #14
Im sure just New York, Minnesota, and California Johonny 2 hrs ago #5
Illinois too MustLoveBeagles 2 hrs ago #6
Just what I was gonna say. ShazzieB 34 min ago #17
That and the Pritzkers were competitive with the trump MustLoveBeagles 26 min ago #23
Have you heard about the NC Auditor, Dave Boliek? littlemissmartypants 27 min ago #22
They want to take everything that benefits the non-wealthy not fooled 1 hr ago #8
Life is like an The Onion. n/t aggiesal 1 hr ago #9
Food stamps, unemployment, disability, Medicare, Medicaid---the money has to come from somewhere to send to Doodley 54 min ago #10
Isn't unemployment from the state taxes? Figarosmom 48 min ago #11
Yes, except in periods of high unemployment, then the Federal Government may fund extended benefits Wiz Imp 40 min ago #15
blatant waste, fraud and abuse? progressoid 42 min ago #13
The "Fraud Squad" should look much closer to home: DJT himself, DHS, SCOTUS, the Trump family Federal contracts, Ford_Prefect 36 min ago #16
He wants to protect taxpayer money? Americanme 32 min ago #18
That should be an easy lawsuit. TomSlick 31 min ago #19
Translation: my billionaire backers need cheap labor. Buddyzbuddy 30 min ago #20
Hey Dumbass! With a 'B'! BidenRocks 27 min ago #21
It's part of Project 2025 which they are still following. littlemissmartypants 24 min ago #24
This is beyond crazy, I'd consider it criminal Wiz Imp 22 min ago #25
All their bleating about benefit fraud is about ERRORS. Simple errors. pat_k 18 min ago #26
Geez, they want to really look at fraud in the United States? One doesn't have to look any further... the nelm 6 min ago #27
The only fraud joshdawg 5 min ago #28

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,225 posts)
1. Does this mental midget realize that the most people who would be impacted by this shit
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 06:28 PM
2 hrs ago

are the very people who foolishly voted for him?
Not that he gives 2 shits, but it would be another nail in the coffin for the repuke party.

B.See

(9,033 posts)
7. "the most people who would be impacted by this shit are the very people who foolishly voted for him"
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 06:48 PM
1 hr ago

Not in the delusional MAGA mind. In their minds, the only people getting unemployment are the "they and them" they reference in their political ads.

littlemissmartypants

(35,295 posts)
12. He precisely understands it.
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 07:55 PM
45 min ago

The way psychopaths show affection is by inducing pain. He's showing his love for his base by torturing them.

I'm having a hard time explaining just how twisted a psychopath can be.

Their brains are not like the average person.

They are SO TWISTED it's difficult not only to understand but also to explain.

People just don't want to believe that someone can be So Messed Up.

The only other way to picture the pattern of their thoughts is to think about the opposite of what's normal for us as how they think, feel, and act.

To love is to hurt for the psychopath.

It's very difficult to confront. The fact that someone can be SO EVIL, but they are, and they are dangerous.

GenThePerservering

(3,997 posts)
3. "This department is no longer afraid to use every lever available to ensure taxpayer money is protected."
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 06:30 PM
2 hrs ago

"So it can be handed over to the Trump family intact."

Johonny

(26,806 posts)
5. Im sure just New York, Minnesota, and California
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 06:34 PM
2 hrs ago

Despite all the fraud in the South, we won't even look at those states.

ShazzieB

(23,042 posts)
17. Just what I was gonna say.
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:07 PM
34 min ago

Trump will never forgive Pritzker for having $1.7 milion dollars worth of medical supplies flown directly from China to Illinois in secret, at the height of the pandemic. JB had to do it that way to keep the Trump administration from seizing the cargo for the federal stockpile that Jared was guarding as jealously as a Canada Goose guarding its nest.

Just think of it: an Anerican governor was forced to smuggle medical supplies into his state during a global pandemic, for fear of an American president seizing them! How crazy is that? Only in Trump Bizarro World America!

MustLoveBeagles

(18,133 posts)
23. That and the Pritzkers were competitive with the trump
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:15 PM
26 min ago

Going back to the 90's. I think trump mayve lost out on a deal and he never forgives.

littlemissmartypants

(35,295 posts)
22. Have you heard about the NC Auditor, Dave Boliek?
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:14 PM
27 min ago

He just finished his audit of the "fraud" committed by unemployment claimants in NC. He's exactly what this Christian Nationalist government loves.

He's going through NC's books like a buzz saw from every direction. Sound familiar?

He calls it auditing. But it really looks more like meddling and creating problems out of thin air.

The purpose isn't to save money or stop fraud. The purpose is to eliminate programs and benefits and to use the "savings" to pad the pockets of the kleptocracy.

It's all in print in Project 2025, and they are following their plan to the letter.

not fooled

(6,806 posts)
8. They want to take everything that benefits the non-wealthy
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 07:32 PM
1 hr ago

Unfortunately most 'Muricans don't realize that they are coming for it all. I try to explain that the Democrats via the New Deal created programs that help people, but that pukes are taking it away, piece by piece. Waste of time--people don't get it or think it isn't affecting them. Ah well, I tried.

Doodley

(12,123 posts)
10. Food stamps, unemployment, disability, Medicare, Medicaid---the money has to come from somewhere to send to
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 07:46 PM
54 min ago

Iran and his billionaire friends.

Wiz Imp

(10,710 posts)
15. Yes, except in periods of high unemployment, then the Federal Government may fund extended benefits
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:01 PM
40 min ago

The last Extended Benefit program was during COVID and ended in 2021. The Federal Government has funded $0 in unemployment benefits for the last 5 years.

progressoid

(53,487 posts)
13. blatant waste, fraud and abuse?
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 07:59 PM
42 min ago

Apparently that doesn't apply to people like Rick Scott or Philip Esformes or Lawrence Duran or...

Ford_Prefect

(8,690 posts)
16. The "Fraud Squad" should look much closer to home: DJT himself, DHS, SCOTUS, the Trump family Federal contracts,
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:04 PM
36 min ago

Kash Patel, and so many others in this administration.

Americanme

(595 posts)
18. He wants to protect taxpayer money?
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:09 PM
32 min ago

What about taxpayer money going to Iran? Taxpayer money going to his vanity projects? Taxpayer money he tried suing for? Taxpayer money he wants to give to J-6 criminals? He is an orange blob of crap.

BidenRocks

(3,616 posts)
21. Hey Dumbass! With a 'B'!
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:13 PM
27 min ago

Fraud is illegal in every state!
So, just another shit show?
Let's outlaw chump!

Wiz Imp

(10,710 posts)
25. This is beyond crazy, I'd consider it criminal
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:18 PM
22 min ago

Unemployment benefits are funded 100% by each individual state by taxing employers. States with higher taxes provide higher benefits. It is only during periods of high unemployment that the Federal Government will fund extended benefit programs. The last time this happened was during COVID. That extended benefit program ended in 2021, so since then, the Federal Government has funded 0 Unemployment benefits.

However, the Federal Government provides 100% of the funding to operate the state programs. I assume this is what they are threatening to cut. States can't operate these programs without the Federal money. But None of the Federal funding covers any fraudulent benefits.

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/financial-management/2026/06/us-tells-states-to-deal-with-unemployment-fraud-or-face-penalties/

Government audits of a sample of cases from last year suggested that nearly $1 in $9 in the programs was an overpayment — and that most of those were for reasons other than fraud. They varied by state, but many involved work-search requirements or eligibility disputes after someone left a job.

There also doesn’t appear to be a strong connection between which party governs a state and how much overpayment or fraud there is.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom ’s office blasted the move and criticized “lax regulations and rushed distribution” of unemployment benefits by the first Trump administration during the COVID-19 pandemic.

pat_k

(14,434 posts)
26. All their bleating about benefit fraud is about ERRORS. Simple errors.
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:22 PM
18 min ago

Errors on the part of a case manager. Errors on the part of an applicant that are easily remedied.

Errors that result in UNDERPAYMENTS (i.e., if everything else in their "fraud rate" is "fraud" than those underpayment errors are frauds on the recipients, but somehow that NEVER gets mentioned).

And more states are using AI to detect these so-called "frauds" and automatically discontinue benefits (whether snap, unemployment, medicaid, whatever).

These are AI systems are KNOWN to be subject to hallucinations."

A bit from Gemini (view with the skepticism you apply to all AI)

When AI systems are used to detect welfare or benefit errors, the term "hallucination" refers to algorithmic fabrications—where the system invents non-existent evidence, misinterprets data, or confuses honest administrative and paperwork mistakes with deliberate fraud.

These inaccuracies have severe real-world consequences for individuals and governments:

Misapplied Penalties: Algorithms often fail to distinguish between clerical errors and active deceit, punishing vulnerable groups for simple mistakes.

High False-Positive Rates: In many automated welfare systems, improper payments or "fraud" determinations have alarmingly high error rates.

For example, in previous automated systems, independent reviews determined that up to 93% of fraud determinations were incorrect.

Systemic Examples: Automated anti-fraud systems have caused massive financial and personal hardship, most notably in Australia’s unlawful "Robodebt" scheme and in widespread false accusations across the US, UK, and Europe.

Legal and Reputational Blowback: Using flawed AI systems can lead to legal action and required multi-billion dollar payouts from governments and major consulting firms. For instance, a court ordered the Dutch government to repay thousands of dollars to families falsely accused of child welfare fraud.

Experts continually stress that because these systems lack true contextual understanding, they require strict human-in-the-loop oversight to verify flags and prevent automated discrimination.


Unfortunately, these systems are being deployed in some states with no human review until the applicant/recipient makes contact. Someone who is likely eligible but has been automatically deprived of benefits. And who may be going hungry, going without medical care, being kicked out of a subsided rental, and on and on, WRONGFULLY.

It is beyond lunacy and must END.

the nelm

(313 posts)
27. Geez, they want to really look at fraud in the United States? One doesn't have to look any further...
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 08:34 PM
6 min ago

than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

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