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SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
Sat May 17, 2025, 05:20 PM May 17

Car explosion outside Palm Springs reproductive health facility leaves 1 dead

Source: KTLA.com

A car explosion outside a reproductive health facility in Palm Springs left one person dead late Saturday morning.

Preliminary information from local media outlets indicated that the explosion occurred at American Reproductive Centers, which is located at 1199 North Indian Canyon Drive, around 11 a.m.

No information surrounding the decedent’s identity or where they were when the explosion occurred was available.The FBI also announced they would be deploying assistance, including investigators, bomb technicians and an evidence response team, to the scene to help local authorities. ATF investigators are also being deployed, officials said.

The FBI also announced they would be deploying assistance, including investigators, bomb technicians and an evidence response team, to the scene to help local authorities. ATF investigators are also being deployed, officials said.

Read more: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/explosion-rocks-building-in-palm-springs/amp/



I bet that's one place Noem won't do a photo op. Let's see if she calls this terrorism...
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Car explosion outside Palm Springs reproductive health facility leaves 1 dead (Original Post) SunSeeker May 17 OP
Glass broke at a liquor store around the corner. applegrove May 17 #1
Here's the center's website GJGCA May 17 #2
Is it reasonable to consider the possibility that a Christian extremist is responsible? John1956PA May 17 #3
So-called "abortion abolitionists" are also against IVF for precisely that reason. WhiskeyGrinder May 17 #6
And, last I remember, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #7
The city itself no; the area round about, yep GJGCA May 17 #17
Yeah, I probably should have stressed that, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #20
I looked at the center's website, and one thing it listed was they're happy with LGBTQ clients muriel_volestrangler May 17 #24
Hegseth will awaken khristian Nationalists magicarpet May 17 #27
I immediately had similar thoughts. ShazzieB May 17 #23
Most likely 1) Angry customer, 2) Jilted partner, 3) maga thought "abortion clinic", 4) anti-IVF christian absolutist Bernardo de La Paz May 17 #34
I will never give that word a capital letter again wolfie001 May 17 #39
So it looks like the vehicle was in the parking lot in the back MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #4
Watching the news now. sheshe2 May 17 #8
Looking closer at the video, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #9
I will put my money on that one. sheshe2 May 17 #13
I can think of two main possibilities Warpy May 17 #29
I think you hit the nail on the head. MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #30
Workplace violence is always a possibility though the ones you mentioned seem more likely. Liberty Belle May 17 #37
I considered that, but the target would be more specific Warpy May 18 #43
Looks like the person pulled right up to the door of the building in the parking lot and detonated the bomb. LiberalArkie May 18 #49
They said the explosion caused damage to 5 blocks! sheshe2 May 18 #44
That's the case 99.99% of the time. Bengus81 May 18 #52
My first thought was it was a Tesla Deplorean exploding. AZ8theist May 17 #19
I confess that my first thought was it's a cybertruck. MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #21
Looks like pro job: shaped charge into clinic, engine blown all the way to garbage bins at back, no sideways force. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 17 #35
Wow that definitely was a massive explosion Historic NY May 18 #50
Thats OKC level n/t gay texan May 18 #54
Sounds planned to me Jilly_in_VA May 17 #5
That seems quite likely - this report says all staff were safe and accounted for, and there were no patients muriel_volestrangler May 17 #12
Looks like the deceased was a passerby on the street. SunSeeker May 17 #18
Damn - sorry to hear that. I've also seen "several injured" in another report muriel_volestrangler May 17 #22
Maybe a body, but seems too small in relation to curb. Not sure it was necessary to post that, esp w advertising Bernardo de La Paz May 17 #33
Now they're saying that was a pody part, not a full body. SunSeeker May 17 #40
Yes, looks like the bomber was the person killed. SunSeeker May 17 #42
Apparently this is a IVF clinic. It has nothing to do with abortions. Jacson6 May 17 #10
"Abortion abolitionists" have been targeting IVF clinics here and there with protests and harassment in recent months. WhiskeyGrinder May 17 #11
But if they are bombing IVF clinics they are destroying embryos or in their twisted mind human beings. Jacson6 May 17 #14
Fortunately, no embryos were lost. SunSeeker May 17 #15
Also the gays Kali May 17 #26
I remember an episode to that effect. John1956PA May 17 #16
With all those different teams and agencies involved dickthegrouch May 17 #25
People who employ bombs are among the top tier of the worst human beings on earth. colorado_ufo May 17 #28
Almost as bad as arsonists. Arson is often uncontrolled and more than the target gets destroyed Bernardo de La Paz May 17 #32
Yea that's so true!! bluestarone May 18 #55
Ok, I'm caught up now. BootinUp May 17 #31
While a right-wing attacker seems plausible, we don't know that yet. Liberty Belle May 17 #36
Sounds like the dead person was probably the shooter: Liberty Belle May 17 #38
"shooter"? Where do you get that? Bernardo de La Paz May 17 #41
In fairness, it's about as accurate as the rest of the thread. TheProle May 18 #56
Where is the Puppy Perforator? Old Crank May 18 #45
It is looking like the perpetrator was killed Old Crank May 18 #46
The FBI is investigating the explosion at a California fertility clinic as an act of terrorism Eugene May 18 #47
"the writings left behind, in which the suspect communicated a belief that the world should not be populated" SunSeeker May 18 #48
There are probably "better" targets, but not easier ones. Renew Deal May 18 #51
supposedly promortalism.com is his website ClaudetteCC May 18 #57
Very niche. SunSeeker May 18 #58
Sometimes the real world hits too close to home. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 18 #53
The bomber has (or had) a website: promortalism.com... AntiFascist May 18 #59
So why is this not being investigated as Domestic Terrorism? mackdaddy May 18 #60
It will be now that they found out he was an "anti-natalist" and "anti-pro-life." SunSeeker May 18 #61

John1956PA

(4,160 posts)
3. Is it reasonable to consider the possibility that a Christian extremist is responsible?
Sat May 17, 2025, 05:33 PM
May 17

I know nothing about any movement by Christians to exert violence toward fertility clinics. I am just thinking that, perhaps, some Christians harbor resentment against IVF because it results in the culling of embryos.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,695 posts)
7. And, last I remember,
Sat May 17, 2025, 05:59 PM
May 17

Palm Springs, CA is a R/W city, not saying it was a planned attack, but if it looks like a duck, walk likes a duck, quacks like a duck, then chances are it's a duck.

GJGCA

(40 posts)
17. The city itself no; the area round about, yep
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:06 PM
May 17

PS is a RW city -- not so much.

Wikipedia: In January 2018, Palm Springs ushered in America's first fully LGBTQ comprised city government.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Springs,_California

muriel_volestrangler

(103,915 posts)
24. I looked at the center's website, and one thing it listed was they're happy with LGBTQ clients
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:20 PM
May 17

which could be another thing that enrages extremists.

magicarpet

(18,455 posts)
27. Hegseth will awaken khristian Nationalists
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:53 PM
May 17

..... who feel a Crusade for the cross is a dandy idea right now. Why not catch this wave Christo-Fascism with terrorists acts to keep the flame burning.

Also too,...

Abortion clinics and fertility clinics,...
do not subscribe to God's Plan

Humankind has no right to intercede or alter God's Plan in any way, shape, or form. God's Devine Design/Purpose is infallible - and should not be questioned or second guessed by man.

ShazzieB

(20,913 posts)
23. I immediately had similar thoughts.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:19 PM
May 17

Like you, I'm not aware of any movement, but it's not hard to imagine some crazed individual deciding to do this for the reasons you mentioned.

I'm trying not to jump to any conclusions, since so little is known at this point, but that certainly is not an impossibility, imo.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,492 posts)
34. Most likely 1) Angry customer, 2) Jilted partner, 3) maga thought "abortion clinic", 4) anti-IVF christian absolutist
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:03 PM
May 17

... in that order.

wolfie001

(5,309 posts)
39. I will never give that word a capital letter again
Sat May 17, 2025, 11:20 PM
May 17

As in: christian-fascist movement. They deserve ZERO respect.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,695 posts)
4. So it looks like the vehicle was in the parking lot in the back
Sat May 17, 2025, 05:34 PM
May 17

and blew debris from the building forward into the street.



That must have been a very powerful explosion, I'm not seeing anything left of the vehicle.

sheshe2

(92,450 posts)
8. Watching the news now.
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:14 PM
May 17

The building is destroyed and stores around it are damaged!

Looking at the scene I am surprised only one is dead. Not sure how the 5 injured are fairing.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,695 posts)
9. Looking closer at the video,
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:18 PM
May 17

i do see just the frame and engine, right at the back entrance of the building.
I'm definitely leaning towards a terror attack, probably a domestic terror attack from some anti abortion lunatic.

Warpy

(113,552 posts)
29. I can think of two main possibilities
Sat May 17, 2025, 08:14 PM
May 17

The most likely: some neck bearded self proclaimed Christian soldier who read "reproductive center" and didn't consider the fine print and assumed it was an abortion clinic instead of a place women went to get pregnant, saw no cops in evidence, and whipped into the unguarded parking lot to detonate his bomb--OR==
The far less likely culprit, someone whose spouse/daughter/sibling had gone through surgical and hormonal hell in an expensive, painful and desperate attempt to get pregnant and it hadn't worked.

I can't really think of a third option, but I'm open to suggestions. I'm wearily waiting for confirmation of this asshole's identity, you know, for science.

Liberty Belle

(9,669 posts)
37. Workplace violence is always a possibility though the ones you mentioned seem more likely.
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:58 PM
May 17

We had a Jewish dental clinic shot up here with dentist killed, and a lot of people thought it was antisemitism.

Turned out to be a disgruntled patient.

A car bomb by a local college turned out to be planted by a man trying to kill his wife.

Let's hope the cops can find some answers soon.

Warpy

(113,552 posts)
43. I considered that, but the target would be more specific
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:21 AM
May 18

and one of those "I'll fis YOU' things involving a gun or smaller IED. This was meant to flatten the whole building, but used the wrong type of explosive (I was a teenager from hell). Most of the force went up and the damage from the blast wave looked pretty limited, most of the clinic looked like a mess but structurally intact. Nobody's posted pictures of the interior, but generally if the roof looks good, it's sheetrock and cosmetics. Damage in the area was largely limited to glass, unless the othertruck axle fell on top of something.

Bet it scared the poop out of everybody in Palm Springs.

Still, this was aimed at a specific whole building and everybody in it, not specific targets. For that reason, I just cited the two possibilities I did.

LiberalArkie

(18,414 posts)
49. Looks like the person pulled right up to the door of the building in the parking lot and detonated the bomb.
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:17 AM
May 18

Propelling the vehicle back towards the dumpster shed (which was not damaged). It looks like there was so much force that the energy went from the parking lot entrance all the way out the door at the street and out through the roof of the building.

I think also that the fruitcake say "Reproductive Center" on the front of the building and in their feeble brain thought it was one of the "after birth baby killer" abortion clinics.

AZ8theist

(6,741 posts)
19. My first thought was it was a Tesla Deplorean exploding.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:08 PM
May 17

But that image clearly shows a terrorist bomb, IMO. Hopefully it was the moron who set it off was the one who got killed.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,695 posts)
21. I confess that my first thought was it's a cybertruck.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:10 PM
May 17

Hopefully, the only fatality was the terrorist who set the damn thing off.

Edit: It's now being reported that the fatality is an innocent person just walking in front of the building.
Hope they catch the fucker and anyone else involved and they spend the rest of their miserable lives in prison.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,492 posts)
35. Looks like pro job: shaped charge into clinic, engine blown all the way to garbage bins at back, no sideways force. nt
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:10 PM
May 17

Jilly_in_VA

(12,117 posts)
5. Sounds planned to me
Sat May 17, 2025, 05:46 PM
May 17

and would it be too much to hope that the person who set it off is also the person it killed?

muriel_volestrangler

(103,915 posts)
12. That seems quite likely - this report says all staff were safe and accounted for, and there were no patients
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:26 PM
May 17

it being a Saturday: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/17/car-explosion-ivf-facility-palm-springs

It's in the car park round the back, really close to the building (I'd guess the car was driven right up to the wall - maybe even through a window/door into it - the damage to the street front of the building is extensive).

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
18. Looks like the deceased was a passerby on the street.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:06 PM
May 17

There is a shot at this link of a body covered with a white sheet in the street in front of clinic: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/explosion-rocks-building-in-palm-springs/

The car that exploded was in the parking lot behind the clinic.


muriel_volestrangler

(103,915 posts)
22. Damn - sorry to hear that. I've also seen "several injured" in another report
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:16 PM
May 17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyvme1e8gd5o

I thought that perhaps streets like that weren't that busy with pedestrians.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,492 posts)
33. Maybe a body, but seems too small in relation to curb. Not sure it was necessary to post that, esp w advertising
Sat May 17, 2025, 09:56 PM
May 17

Cropping images is a basic 21st century skill. Nobody is too old or young to do it with all the apps.

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
40. Now they're saying that was a pody part, not a full body.
Sat May 17, 2025, 11:32 PM
May 17

It may have been a chunk of the bomber's body that was blasted through the building or over the building.

Apparently there were body parts at various places at the scene. Gruesome. It appears the bomber was blown to bits, literally. Authorities say they have identified a "person of interest," but are not looking for that person, so that suggest the bits belong to the bomber.

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
42. Yes, looks like the bomber was the person killed.
Sat May 17, 2025, 11:51 PM
May 17

Authorities say they have identified a "person of interest," but are not looking for that person, so that suggests the body/body parts belong to the bomber.

Jacson6

(1,348 posts)
10. Apparently this is a IVF clinic. It has nothing to do with abortions.
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:19 PM
May 17

I remember a law & order episode where a divorced wife wanted to destroy the embryos so that her now deceased husband's new wife could NOT give birth to their babies.



WhiskeyGrinder

(25,111 posts)
11. "Abortion abolitionists" have been targeting IVF clinics here and there with protests and harassment in recent months.
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:23 PM
May 17

Jacson6

(1,348 posts)
14. But if they are bombing IVF clinics they are destroying embryos or in their twisted mind human beings.
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:32 PM
May 17

So they would be killing 'human beings'. But some people have the idea that making human martyrs is in glory to their gods.



It will all come out very soon.

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
15. Fortunately, no embryos were lost.
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:50 PM
May 17

American Reproductive Centers (ARC) put a statement out on social media that called the incident “unexpected and tragic” while confirming that no members of their team were harmed; additionally, the facility’s lab containing “all eggs, embryos and reproductive materials” remains fully secure and undamaged.

John1956PA

(4,160 posts)
16. I remember an episode to that effect.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:05 PM
May 17

Assistant D.A. Carmichael, portrayed by Angie Harmon, made the dry, understated comment, "It's just a motive that I do not see very often."

Also, in the first or second season, there was an episode about a bombing at an abortion clinic. Edward Herrmann was excellent as the anti-abortion crusader. Actress Caroline Kava was also excellent in her role as an anti-abortion spokesperson.

dickthegrouch

(4,074 posts)
25. With all those different teams and agencies involved
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:36 PM
May 17

Is the actual goal to assist, or to obstruct the investigation?
Jurisdiction and evidence chain of custody fights abound in these cases.

"The FBI also announced they would be deploying assistance, including investigators, bomb technicians and an evidence response team, to the scene to help local authorities. ATF investigators are also being deployed, officials said. "

colorado_ufo

(6,083 posts)
28. People who employ bombs are among the top tier of the worst human beings on earth.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:56 PM
May 17

They do not care whom they hurt or kill. They are soulless.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,492 posts)
32. Almost as bad as arsonists. Arson is often uncontrolled and more than the target gets destroyed
Sat May 17, 2025, 09:51 PM
May 17

Bad enough if only the target gets destroyed or damaged, but fires can go wild and to other structures or as wildfires / forest fires.

Both arson and bombings are particularly cowardly; mind you mass shooters / suicide-by-cop aren't brave either.

It's all a fundamental failure of the system including mental health care (lack) and societal pressures out of control (bullying, medical bills, etc).

Liberty Belle

(9,669 posts)
36. While a right-wing attacker seems plausible, we don't know that yet.
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:55 PM
May 17

A few years ago a car bomb went off near a local community college and most people were afraid it was terrorism.

It turned out to be a guy trying to kill his wife by planting a bomb under her car. Thankfully she survived,and he wound up in prison.

Maybe someone didn't want their spouse getting impregnated, for all we know.

The big concern is if it was an attack by an anti-reproductive rights nut job, and the Trump administration refuses to investigate or prosecute. Let's hope the local authorities will.

Liberty Belle

(9,669 posts)
38. Sounds like the dead person was probably the shooter:
Sat May 17, 2025, 11:02 PM
May 17

(If they're not looking for a suspect, that almost surely means the dead guy was the bomber and they're just waiting to notify his family before releasing his ID. They wouldn't be saying there's no current danger otherwise.)

https://www.hidesertstar.com/deserttrail/fbi-in-twentynine-palms-after-explosion-at-palm-springs-fertility-clinic/article_11aff80c-964b-400c-a1a3-3333782e0682.html

Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office, Akil Davis, said the clinic was deliberately targeted. Davis said in a press conference that investigators were not searching for a suspect, but he would not speak to whether the bomber was the person killed in the explosion.

"One person who was near the vehicle is deceased," Davis said.

Palm Springs Police Chief Andrew Mills also did not say if the suspect was killed, but assured Palm Springs resident there was no current danger.

"Make no mistake: This was an intentional act of terrorism," he said. "The FBI is investigating it as such."

Old Crank

(5,783 posts)
45. Where is the Puppy Perforator?
Sun May 18, 2025, 04:04 AM
May 18

Has she launcher a terrorist investigation yet.
I mean they were quick on a book title.

Old Crank

(5,783 posts)
46. It is looking like the perpetrator was killed
Sun May 18, 2025, 04:55 AM
May 18

In the explosion.
Police, etc, are searching a location out of town.

Eugene

(65,412 posts)
47. The FBI is investigating the explosion at a California fertility clinic as an act of terrorism
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:09 AM
May 18
The FBI is investigating the explosion at a California fertility clinic as an act of terrorism

The person believed responsible for an attack targeting a Southern California fertility clinic Saturday posted rambling online writings before an explosion that investigators are treating as an act of terrorism, according to a law enforcement official.

The suspect, who died in the explosion that tore through the clinic and rattled the upscale California city of Palm Springs, also attempted to record video or stream the attack, said the official, who was not authorized to discuss details of the attack and spoke on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press.

“Make no mistake: This is an intentional act of terrorism,” Akil Davis, the head of the FBI’s Los Angeles field office, told an evening news conference.

Authorities were still working to piece together a motive and build a chronology of events leading up to the attack. Though the FBI did not say how it had determined the explosion was terrorism, the writings left behind, in which the suspect communicated a belief that the world should not be populated, appear to shed light on the person’s state of mind and help explain investigators’ thesis that the attack was targeted and intentional.


https://apnews.com/article/california-explosion-palm-springs-eb8887fbe5877a20a40916aba86554ea

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
48. "the writings left behind, in which the suspect communicated a belief that the world should not be populated"
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:32 AM
May 18

A fertility clinic in Palm Sptings seems like an odd target if world population is their issue. But they were probably mentally ill, so trying to make sense of this may be pointless.

Renew Deal

(84,096 posts)
51. There are probably "better" targets, but not easier ones.
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:34 AM
May 18

I wonder if this person would have used WMD’s against living people if they could.

ClaudetteCC

(64 posts)
57. supposedly promortalism.com is his website
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:32 PM
May 18

he appears to have been a very niche variety of nutjob

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
58. Very niche.
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:55 PM
May 18

If they don't think the world should be populated, doesn't that include them? So it's basically a suicide cult?

53. Sometimes the real world hits too close to home.
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:01 AM
May 18

The Palm Springs fertility clinic that was blown up was near the hospital where I had an operation last week.

AntiFascist

(13,344 posts)
59. The bomber has (or had) a website: promortalism.com...
Sun May 18, 2025, 06:25 PM
May 18

it pretty clearly spells out his beliefs and intentions, basically he had a suicide pact with a close female friend who previously committed suicide. It's pretty clear they were against pro-lifers and religion in general. Noem would probably claim that this is what extreme leftist beliefs will lead to.

mackdaddy

(1,781 posts)
60. So why is this not being investigated as Domestic Terrorism?
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:32 PM
May 18

Oh, yea ... he was a right wing crank so he was just 'disturbed'.

SunSeeker

(56,013 posts)
61. It will be now that they found out he was an "anti-natalist" and "anti-pro-life."
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:36 PM
May 18

I'm sure Pam Bondi will make a lot of hay from this. She has already made a statement about it.

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