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Jose Garcia

(3,215 posts)
Tue May 20, 2025, 06:58 PM May 20

Senate unanimously approves bill to create tax deduction for cash tips

Source: USA Today

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Senate on May 20 unexpectedly passed a bill to create a new tax deduction on tips worth up to $25,000.

The bill, introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, was brought up for a voice vote by Sen. Jacky Rosen, D-Nevada. It passed with unanimous consent – a rare occurrence for substantive legislation.

The deduction would only apply to cash tips and could be claimed by people who earn up to $160,000, which would rise along with inflation.

Ending taxes on tips would cost around $110 billion in federal revenues over the next 10 years, according to estimates by the center-right Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/05/20/senate-no-tax-tips/83753853007/

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Senate unanimously approves bill to create tax deduction for cash tips (Original Post) Jose Garcia May 20 OP
yup... all the waiters and waitresses I know lapfog_1 May 20 #1
It isn't clear from anything I can find quickly that this is an itemized deduction or a front page deduction Ms. Toad May 21 #36
Tangential but they prefer to be called "servers" these days sir pball May 21 #41
Less Social Security and Medicare for servers then. no_hypocrisy May 20 #2
Tips won't be exempt from payroll taxes, just federal income taxes wishstar May 20 #7
Why? JBTaurus83 May 20 #3
Yep Falcon101 May 20 #10
Because tips are not only bamagal62 May 21 #31
The real secret is that the supreme court markodochartaigh May 20 #18
The server making a few hundred a night in tips at a nicer place is tax exempt ClaudetteCC May 21 #46
opps I read it wrong thatdemguy May 20 #4
I wonder how many times a month this can be claimed. As a lot of very wealthy people do not have LiberalArkie May 20 #5
Huh? There's nothing to be claimed monthly Wiz Imp May 20 #14
Not if you live in New York or California, I suppose... Jack Valentino May 20 #22
What the hell is happening angrychair May 20 #6
Ummmm, this was a proposal endorsed by our 2024 Presidential candidate....... just saying. nt kelly1mm May 20 #25
Irrelevant angrychair May 21 #35
Candidates running for the 2028 nomination can always campaign on a promise to restore taxes on tips, I suppose. MichMan May 21 #44
It's not about the taxes on tips itself angrychair May 21 #47
Only applies to cash tips? jmowreader May 20 #8
I am really torn on this. LonePirate May 20 #9
Cruz's bill does not require itemization, it includes cash AND credits card tips. Gonna be hard to oppose that. Silent Type May 20 #11
I'm very skeptical creeksneakers2 May 20 #19
You could read the bill. I'm as certain as I can be it would include credit card tips the employee gets. Silent Type May 20 #20
I believe what you say. "Cash tips" is another instance of very poor reporting by the MSM, Jack Valentino May 20 #24
Have to admit, I wondered too when I first saw "cash." But since checks are considered "cash," I looked it up. Silent Type May 20 #26
The bill makes says only tips reported to employers. creeksneakers2 May 20 #27
I already linked to the bill. creeksneakers2 May 21 #30
No help for the poor low-income hourly bastards who don't get any tips, though... Jack Valentino May 20 #23
Oh, I agree. trump has commented on removing income taxes for all lower incomes. Sure he lied. Silent Type May 20 #29
I'm just waiting now for the owners of said restaurants and bars to start skimming or outright taking tips Javaman May 20 #12
People will probably tip less because of this. chowder66 May 20 #13
Why? BlueTsunami2018 May 20 #16
Rich people will see it as an excuse to tip less as well as mean assholes. chowder66 May 20 #17
Saw your post earlier and have been thinking about it, I think you are right. A-holes like trump will say Silent Type May 21 #33
Yes they will Falcon101 May 21 #38
Didnt SCOTUS rule that bribes are tips? Cha CHing! Blues Heron May 20 #15
True, I laughed hard. Although government level bribes are usually more than $160K Silent Type May 20 #21
So let me ask this dweller May 20 #28
LOL. I'd darn sure list it under tips. But, honestly, would you report all of it now? Silent Type May 21 #32
No tax on "tips", but then we'll claw it all back in tariffs. Mawspam2 May 21 #34
What the Fed may lose in revenue will be partially recovered by the States DFW May 21 #37
Fucking up taxes for more than fifty years and they never tire of it. twodogsbarking May 21 #39
As a thirty-year hospitality worker this made me giggle sir pball May 21 #40
The bill doesn't differentiate between cash and credit tips either. MichMan May 21 #42
Our Dems HAD to vote for it or the Repubs would've screeched: "The tax-and-spend Democrats are taxing your tips!!!" But LaMouffette May 21 #43
dont matter- they can use that cash to buy bananas and bacon. drill baby drill. Nimble_Idea May 21 #45
This is entirely about newly legal cash tips for elected officials Simeon Salus May 21 #48
You'd be surprised. BlueTsunami2018 May 21 #49
Right. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of American servers, bartenders and dancers making $160K per annum! Simeon Salus May 21 #53
Well, I'm not going to be super generous anymore with my (post-tax) tip dollars based on my (post-tax) Wingus Dingus May 21 #50
Is this now a negotiable component of compensation? bucolic_frolic May 21 #51
It's a trick JustAnotherGen May 21 #52
But the real question is "will this affect GrovelBot???" That tip jar is vital! Maeve May 21 #54

lapfog_1

(30,982 posts)
1. yup... all the waiters and waitresses I know
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:01 PM
May 20

will definitely itemize their deductions to be able to file for this tax deduction.

Trump got their vote because he promised to NOT TAX the tips... this is different.

Ms. Toad

(37,102 posts)
36. It isn't clear from anything I can find quickly that this is an itemized deduction or a front page deduction
Wed May 21, 2025, 02:52 AM
May 21

(like IRA and certain charitable contributions)

sir pball

(5,016 posts)
41. Tangential but they prefer to be called "servers" these days
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:12 AM
May 21

Am chef, know about this—"waiter" and "waitress" are outdated to the point that I haven't heard those words in at least twenty years.

Except from the seniors who come to our museum cafe on Tuesday tour groups, and direct it at me as I'm literally dressed in chef whites…

wishstar

(5,715 posts)
7. Tips won't be exempt from payroll taxes, just federal income taxes
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:45 PM
May 20

Reports I have read say that in order for tips to be exempt they have to have been reported for payment of appropriate payroll taxes, then the worker can write off the gross amount of tips as a deduction from countable income when they file their tax return.

JBTaurus83

(527 posts)
3. Why?
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:10 PM
May 20

I work in Philly which is a pretty expensive city. I am a civil servant making about 50k per year and taxed heavily. Why should you get a tax cut just because of the line of work you are in? I guess I picked the wrong profession.

Falcon101

(72 posts)
10. Yep
Tue May 20, 2025, 08:05 PM
May 20

Their wages are in tips while others get a check while others get 1099 income and others get SSA so why should those who get tips get special favor. Seems like it will create resentment.

bamagal62

(3,944 posts)
31. Because tips are not only
Wed May 21, 2025, 12:16 AM
May 21

Bar tenders. Think “tips” for Supreme Court justices. My guess is, tips fall under many things. It’s a scam.

markodochartaigh

(3,052 posts)
18. The real secret is that the supreme court
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:49 PM
May 20

just said that state and local officials can accept tips but not bribes. So now those officials will get tips on the order of tens of thousands of dollars, or more, and won't have to pay income tax on those "tips".

ClaudetteCC

(64 posts)
46. The server making a few hundred a night in tips at a nicer place is tax exempt
Wed May 21, 2025, 08:26 AM
May 21

but the dishwasher getting minimum wage is not. Though at min wage there likely isn't much of a federal income tax burden.

LiberalArkie

(18,414 posts)
5. I wonder how many times a month this can be claimed. As a lot of very wealthy people do not have
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:11 PM
May 20

an payroll income. Comes to mind Steve Jobs and Elon Musk.

$160,000 seems like a pretty good income to be getting cash tips.

Wiz Imp

(5,433 posts)
14. Huh? There's nothing to be claimed monthly
Tue May 20, 2025, 09:09 PM
May 20

This would be a deduction applied to their annual income tax return.

Jack Valentino

(2,371 posts)
22. Not if you live in New York or California, I suppose...
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:33 PM
May 20

yeah, it should be enough to live on in those places---
but I could go much further in Michigan on such an income...

angrychair

(10,721 posts)
6. What the hell is happening
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:23 PM
May 20

We cannot get Senate Democrats to stop voting for Republicans and their bills. Anything proposed by Ted fucking Cruz is toxic, I don't give a shit what it says.
PLEASE STOP VOTING FOR WITH GOD DAMN REPUBLICANS. It's not that complicated of a request.

kelly1mm

(5,747 posts)
25. Ummmm, this was a proposal endorsed by our 2024 Presidential candidate....... just saying. nt
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:42 PM
May 20

angrychair

(10,721 posts)
35. Irrelevant
Wed May 21, 2025, 02:02 AM
May 21

Ted "Cancun Bob" Cruz was the lead sponsor. There is zero evidence to suggest that Republicans, especially that one, do anything that doesn't benefit themselves or other rich assholes just like them.
There isn't an altruistic bone in his body.
I may not know right now but their is a poison pill in there somewhere. If you think I'm wrong then you haven't been listening to this psychopath talk...ever.
Democrats should NEVER help advance the Republican agenda. NEVER. EVER. NEVER.

MichMan

(15,253 posts)
44. Candidates running for the 2028 nomination can always campaign on a promise to restore taxes on tips, I suppose.
Wed May 21, 2025, 08:05 AM
May 21

angrychair

(10,721 posts)
47. It's not about the taxes on tips itself
Wed May 21, 2025, 10:44 AM
May 21

As is the case with most laws passed by Congress, the devil is in the details. There are weird provisions like non-cash tips like individual checks and money orders, have to be for $10,000 or less. What waiter ever got a $10,000 tip at all? Much less as a money order? That sent up a red flag for me. Other weird use of language that seems to create potential loopholes as to what is defined as a "tip" and whom is eligible.

jmowreader

(52,429 posts)
8. Only applies to cash tips?
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:48 PM
May 20

Most people these days tip by adding the tip to their credit or debit card bill.

And seriously guys, if this is going to be a Schedule A deduction then it's basically a nothingburger. A single parent gets a $20,900 standard deduction and a single person without dependents gets a $14,600 standard deduction. How many people work in the kind of restaurants where the patrons tip that heavily?

Let's throw some numbers in here. We will assume that our tipped employee has a child (so, head of household status) and works five days a week, 50 weeks per year, or 250 work days. If you divide $20,900 by 250 days the employee has to average $83.60 in tips every day to break even by itemizing if she has no other deductible expenses. The employee ALSO has to earn more than $20,900 in both wages and tips to push her income into taxable territory...so if she's making only $20,000 per year she wasn't paying taxes in the first place.

LonePirate

(14,112 posts)
9. I am really torn on this.
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:55 PM
May 20

I generally support the concept of excluding tips from taxable income as millions of taxpayers in the lower and middle classes in this country rely on tips to make ends meet. I absolutely despise that Trump crafted this policy or is at least given credit for coming up with this policy. He and Repubs will receive all the credit with none going to Dems if this becomes law. At best, Dems might be able to avoid going on record as opposing the concept.

That being said, this bill seems to be something different by including the policy within the itemized deductions process which few tip earners currently use and likely won't use in the future unless a hefty portion of their income is from tips. I do not like Rosen allowing this pass via unanimous consent and no objection in the Senate, almost certainly because of the many service and tip-oriented workers in her state. I understand why she allowed this to happen as it may be the least politically painful of the choices here.

Silent Type

(10,040 posts)
11. Cruz's bill does not require itemization, it includes cash AND credits card tips. Gonna be hard to oppose that.
Tue May 20, 2025, 08:43 PM
May 20


“The Senate bill, introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and titled the “No Tax on Tips Act,” would create a 100 percent above-the-line deduction for cash tip income, with cash in this context referring to payments in physical currency, debit or credit card payment, or checks. Non-cash tips (like a ticket, a coupon, or some other item of value) would presumably remain taxable. Additionally, both cash and non-cash tips would remain taxable under the payroll tax. Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL) has introduced a companion bill in the House. However, a different House bill, introduced by Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) and titled the “Tax-Free Tips Act of 2024,” would exempt tips from both income and payroll taxes.”

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/tipping-trump-tax-on-tips/#:~:text=The%20Senate%20bill%2C%20introduced%20by,credit%20card%20payment%2C%20or%20checks.

creeksneakers2

(7,691 posts)
19. I'm very skeptical
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:03 PM
May 20

Other reports just say cash tips and here's what the bill says: —There shall be allowed as a deduction an amount equal to the qualified tips received during the taxable year that are included on statements furnished to the employer pursuant to section 6053(a).

The employee usually doesn't report their charge tips because they go through the employer to begin with so the employer already knows what they are. Check go to straight to the house too. Those reports are just for cash. Elsewhere the bill just says cash.

&quot a)Reports by employees
Every employee who, in the course of his employment by an employer, receives in any calendar month tips which are wages (as defined in section 3121(a) or section 3401(a)) or which are compensation (as defined in section 3231(e)) shall report all such tips in one or more written statements furnished to his employer on or before the 10th day following such month. Such statements shall be furnished by the employee under such regulations, at such other times before such 10th day, and in such form and manner, as may be prescribed by the Secretary."

Cash tips are only a small fraction of tip income. The bill also says the cabal still has to come out with a list of what professions qualify. Will they include cab drivers? How knows?

https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/s129/BILLS-119s129is.pdf

Silent Type

(10,040 posts)
20. You could read the bill. I'm as certain as I can be it would include credit card tips the employee gets.
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:08 PM
May 20

Jack Valentino

(2,371 posts)
24. I believe what you say. "Cash tips" is another instance of very poor reporting by the MSM,
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:42 PM
May 20

it would appear.

Silent Type

(10,040 posts)
26. Have to admit, I wondered too when I first saw "cash." But since checks are considered "cash," I looked it up.
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:44 PM
May 20

creeksneakers2

(7,691 posts)
27. The bill makes says only tips reported to employers.
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:49 PM
May 20

Employees only report case tips. The employer already knows what the credit card and check tips are.

https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/s129/BILLS-119s129is.pdf

‘SEC. 224. QUALIFIED TIPS.
7 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—There shall be allowed as a deduction an amount equal to the qualified tips received during the taxable year that are included on statements furnished to the employer pursuant to section 6053(a).

Then later at 16 it says, "‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘qualified tip’ means any cash tip received by an individual..." Doesn't mention credit card tips there either.

How do you know its poor reporting?



creeksneakers2

(7,691 posts)
30. I already linked to the bill.
Wed May 21, 2025, 12:01 AM
May 21

See my response #27. https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/s129/BILLS-119s129is.pdf

Here's what it says: "‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—There shall be allowed as a deduction an amount equal to the qualified tips received during the taxable year that are included on statements furnished to the employer pursuant to section 6053(a).

I've worked in tipped professions an normally you only report cash. The employer already know what the tips are from charges and checks.

Elsewhere the bill says: "‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘qualified tip’
17 means any cash tip received by an individual...."

Here is how the IRS defines cash: "Now, what about “cash”? As explained in the IRS Form 8300 Reference Guide, “[c]ash includes the coins and currency of the United States and a foreign country. Cash may also include cashier’s checks, bank drafts, traveler’s checks, and money orders with a face value of $10,000 or less, if the business receives the instrument in . . . [a] designated reporting transaction . . . or [a]ny transaction in which the business knows the customer is trying to avoid reporting of the transaction on Form 8300.” Doesn't say anything about credit card payments.

What makes you so certain?

Jack Valentino

(2,371 posts)
23. No help for the poor low-income hourly bastards who don't get any tips, though...
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:40 PM
May 20

It is at least a tax reduction on *some* lower wage workers....

Rather 'strategic', IMHO, as a poor balance to the tax cuts proposed
for the very high income bracket.... to lesson the opposition to the bill by lower-wage workers


Silent Type

(10,040 posts)
29. Oh, I agree. trump has commented on removing income taxes for all lower incomes. Sure he lied.
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:58 PM
May 20

But fact is, those in the 50th Percentile pay less than 3% of total federal income taxes. That’s not a lot and it would not be hard to eliminate income taxes on that group to further lessen opposition.

If you remember, after trump proposed removing taxes on tips during campaigns, VP Harris said the same.

I’m sure, not taxing Social Security would be a winner too, though not costing a lot, at least on paper. Think trump has thrown that around. Would help me, but not if it helps him.

Javaman

(64,064 posts)
12. I'm just waiting now for the owners of said restaurants and bars to start skimming or outright taking tips
Tue May 20, 2025, 09:05 PM
May 20

And call them their own.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,435 posts)
16. Why?
Tue May 20, 2025, 09:27 PM
May 20

This isn’t going to change my tipping habits. It never even entered my mind.

Why do you think it would cause people to tip less?

Silent Type

(10,040 posts)
33. Saw your post earlier and have been thinking about it, I think you are right. A-holes like trump will say
Wed May 21, 2025, 12:40 AM
May 21

trump saved you $2 in taxes a day, so I’ll leave you $3 less in a tip. Then the next 10 A-holes do the same.

Falcon101

(72 posts)
38. Yes they will
Wed May 21, 2025, 06:05 AM
May 21

It does create a sense of resentment. If I make $12 a hour taxable by receiving regular income, I will naturally reduce my tip to you knowing its tax free. Frankly, I will do the same. Rosen acts like casino waitresses are so lowly paid. I can see the tips they get just to hand you a bottle of water. Why should that be free money but the guy who stacks the bottles at the bar have to pay taxes?

dweller

(26,707 posts)
28. So let me ask this
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:50 PM
May 20

If I’m on the corner and busking with my guitar and I get $$ in my case …
From passing people …
Thats a tip right ?


✌🏻

Mawspam2

(967 posts)
34. No tax on "tips", but then we'll claw it all back in tariffs.
Wed May 21, 2025, 01:24 AM
May 21

Oh, and we'll also take your ACA, SNAP, Heating assistance, Medicade, Head Start, and more.

DFW

(58,245 posts)
37. What the Fed may lose in revenue will be partially recovered by the States
Wed May 21, 2025, 04:03 AM
May 21

What serving staff get in tips will often be spent right back into the economy, generating income to the businesses that receive the extra turnover as well as the sales taxes collected by the states. It's nowhere near a 100% loss to the nation, probably not even a 25% loss when all told.

sir pball

(5,016 posts)
40. As a thirty-year hospitality worker this made me giggle
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:07 AM
May 21

I'm BOH so it doesn't affect me, but I'm intimately aware of the workings of FOH and this is…a silly bill, to say the least.

Cash tips are de facto exempt from any and all taxes, because cash tips are almost never reported. Straight into your server's pocket, thank you, have a good evening. Any server reporting their cash tips is a fool…not to mention I've never seen an itemized tip-out that differentiates cash and credit tips.

MichMan

(15,253 posts)
42. The bill doesn't differentiate between cash and credit tips either.
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:44 AM
May 21

Sorry to hear that you believe those paying taxes they owe is a fool. Is a small business that follows the law a fool, compared to one that pays its employees in cash, and evades payroll taxes, workman's comp, and unemployment taxes ?

LaMouffette

(2,508 posts)
43. Our Dems HAD to vote for it or the Repubs would've screeched: "The tax-and-spend Democrats are taxing your tips!!!" But
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:45 AM
May 21

one major effect that I see coming is that employers will reduce servers' hourly wages since, they reason, their tips will bring them up to minimum wage. Here in Montana, employers must only pay tipped employees $2.13 an hour! They will probably reduce that to $1.00 now that servers' tips will not be taxed.

If they had required employers to pay the minimum wage AND eliminated taxes on tips, that would've been almost human of them. If they had done both of these AND raised the minimum wage to $15.00 an hour, THEN I would have been impressed.

I've been a server. Waiting on customers who are complete assholes or screaming,, food-hurling babies, or grab-your-ass letches is horrible. Servers deserve fair wages and tons of respect.

Nimble_Idea

(2,692 posts)
45. dont matter- they can use that cash to buy bananas and bacon. drill baby drill.
Wed May 21, 2025, 08:09 AM
May 21

and pay down those tesler and student debt

Simeon Salus

(1,495 posts)
48. This is entirely about newly legal cash tips for elected officials
Wed May 21, 2025, 11:34 AM
May 21

Not for servers.

You know ANY dancers, servers or bartenders making that kind of cash?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,435 posts)
49. You'd be surprised.
Wed May 21, 2025, 12:11 PM
May 21

Almost everyone I know in the service industries do not want tipping to end at all because they make bank from them and you never report what you really make. They already get tax free tips. They don’t want to be paid a “living wage” and be untipped.

Dancers can make crazy money in strip clubs. I knew one girl who was making $150k a year easy and this was thirty years ago. Those high end “gentleman’s clubs” rake. Hell, even the dive joints make a lot of money.

There’s definitely a lot more money flowing through those bars and restaurants than you might think.

Simeon Salus

(1,495 posts)
53. Right. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of American servers, bartenders and dancers making $160K per annum!
Wed May 21, 2025, 03:36 PM
May 21

You're speaking to the rare exception and ignoring my central assertion.

This aspect of the BBB is about greedy politicians, not working folks.

Wingus Dingus

(9,097 posts)
50. Well, I'm not going to be super generous anymore with my (post-tax) tip dollars based on my (post-tax)
Wed May 21, 2025, 02:23 PM
May 21

(inflated/expensive) meal/drink dollars in order to donate even more to their (non-taxed) tip income. Back to 15%. Honestly, I rarely eat in sit-down restaurants anymore anyway. I try to avoid tipping situations.

bucolic_frolic

(50,897 posts)
51. Is this now a negotiable component of compensation?
Wed May 21, 2025, 02:38 PM
May 21

I'd like $25K of my annual compensation in the form of cash.

Who's going to enforce it otherwise?

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