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demmiblue

(39,039 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:25 AM Saturday

Trump says airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety

Source: Reuters

Nov 29 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday that the airspace above and surrounding Venezuela is to be closed in its entirety.

Trump, in a Truth Social post said: "To all Airlines, Pilots, Drug Dealers, and Human Traffickers, please consider THE AIRSPACE ABOVE AND SURROUNDING VENEZUELA TO BE CLOSED IN ITS ENTIRETY."

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Last week, the U.S. aviation regulator warned major airlines of a "potentially hazardous situation" when flying over Venezuela due to a "worsening security situation and heightened military activity in or around" the country.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-airspace-above-surrounding-venezuela-be-closed-its-entirety-2025-11-29/

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Trump says airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety (Original Post) demmiblue Saturday OP
Ass orangecrush Saturday #1
In reaction to this? mahatmakanejeeves Saturday #2
Not "in reaction" to that; that was the result of the original warning muriel_volestrangler Saturday #20
Will Trump now order the shooting down of aircraft, too? sop Saturday #3
Yes how is he going to enforce this? Irish_Dem Saturday #26
I wouldn't put it past him to order a shoot down of a civilian plane, MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #28
Exactly my thoughts MCE. Irish_Dem Saturday #31
After what he's done with the boats... ananda Saturday #32
I've no doubt he and his pet monkey, Kegsbreath, would order a shoot down, MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #33
I'm hoping the Russian presence in Venezuela... ananda Saturday #34
More than likely, the only Russians in Ven. MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #35
Well... it is true that Trump has virtually no impulse control these days... ananda Saturday #36
Haven't seen any orders ignored yet BlueSpot Saturday #38
Russia is sending troops.................... Lovie777 Saturday #4
Proxy war with Russia. FalloutShelter Saturday #6
Whose side will MAGA be on? travelingthrulife Saturday #8
Shall we ask them now? FalloutShelter Saturday #10
Air defense system(s). Igel Saturday #11
"Russia is sending troops.." What troops? EX500rider Saturday #21
Did F45 wait until Putin was already in V. before issuiing this memo? nt in2herbs Saturday #23
Or what? NickB79 Saturday #5
We supported a bombing of a Cuban flight IbogaProject Saturday #22
The first step in a military assault is always control the airspace. JohnnyRingo Saturday #7
Both China and Russia support Venezuela. They will protect their oil sources and travelingthrulife Saturday #9
And just how are they going to protect Ven.? MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #14
I would assume Russia and China would send cheap armed drones NickB79 Saturday #18
That's the most likely scenario, any guerilla was would be a disaster for the US, MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #19
Well GCG Saturday #30
Dumb question, I know, but House of Roberts Saturday #12
You make entirely too much sense 🙄 😒 🤣 😂 😑 Srkdqltr Saturday #27
That Is An Act Of War DallasNE Saturday #13
I seriously doubt that Russia is sending combat troops to Ven. MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #15
You Could Be Right DallasNE Saturday #37
Here's hoping the military ignores this order sakabatou Saturday #16
This act of war brought to you by... mn9driver Saturday #17
Ummm that's against international law isn't it? cstanleytech Saturday #24
Pedonald says: MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #25
We must be at war... Mike Nelson Saturday #29
EMPEROR of the WORLD! Fla Dem Sunday #39

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,722 posts)
2. In reaction to this?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:33 AM
Saturday
Venezuela bans six major airlines after tensions with US escalate

2 days ago
Vanessa Buschschlüter


RONALD PENA R/EPA/Shutterstock People queue to board a flight at Simon Bolivar International Airport in Maiquetia, near Caracas, Venezuela, 26 November 2025

Thousands of passengers have been affected by the suspension and many more are expected to be hit by the ban
RONALD PENA R/EPA/Shutterstock

Venezuela has banned six major international airlines from landing in the country after they failed to meet a 48-hour deadline to resume flights there. ... The airlines had temporarily suspended their routes into the capital, Caracas, after the US warned of "heightened military activity" in the area.

Angered by this, the Venezuelan government issued the carriers with an ultimatum that expired on Wednesday. While a number of smaller airlines continue to fly to Venezuela, thousands of passengers have been affected.

The US has deployed a large force to waters off Venezuela, which it says is to combat drug trafficking but which Venezuela's leader has denounced as an attempt to overthrow him.

Venezuela's civil aviation authority, which reports to the country's ministry of transport, announced on Wednesday that Iberia, TAP Portugal, Gol, Latam, Avianca and Turkish Airlines would lose their landing and take-off rights with immediate effect.

{snip}

muriel_volestrangler

(105,320 posts)
20. Not "in reaction" to that; that was the result of the original warning
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:47 AM
Saturday

which made some airlines halt flights; and the Venezuelan government, annoyed that they hadn't said "damn the Trump sabre-rattling, we've got a right to fly there", said "well you can't come back". This is now laying the excuses for random Trumpian killing on land (or even in the air) in Venezuela.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
28. I wouldn't put it past him to order a shoot down of a civilian plane,
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:37 PM
Saturday

all the while claiming it was a drug plane full of narco terrorist, the big question would be, would a US commander and or a US fighter pilot implement such an illegal order?

My guess would be, no.

Irish_Dem

(78,453 posts)
31. Exactly my thoughts MCE.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:14 PM
Saturday

Shoot down a civilian plane. Claim it carried drug cartel members and human traffickers.

Who will stop Trump or bring him to justice? No one.

I disagree on the implementation.
We now know the US military will obey these kind of orders from the Trump Crime Syndicate.

Trump directly threatened the US generals with loss of rank, pension, and court martial.

They will bend the knee and kiss ass.

The military you and I knew is no longer.

ananda

(34,135 posts)
32. After what he's done with the boats...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:22 PM
Saturday

I don't think there's anything stopping him
from going as low and criminal as he wants...

and he's a crazed psychopath who loves
the idea of war and using nukes.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
33. I've no doubt he and his pet monkey, Kegsbreath, would order a shoot down,
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:25 PM
Saturday

but would a commander or a fighter pilot actually follow such an order, especially if it's positively identifed as a civilian passenger plane.

I've got to believe that this order would be "ignored".
That is my hope.

ananda

(34,135 posts)
34. I'm hoping the Russian presence in Venezuela...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:29 PM
Saturday

might temper Trump's desire to blow up planes
and target Venezuela.

However, I'm not sure how much of a help Russia
can be after becoming weakened by its war with
Ukraine.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
35. More than likely, the only Russians in Ven.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:34 PM
Saturday

are the technicians to train the Ven. military on how to use, operate and maintain the SAM systems that they've promised to deliver to the Venezuelans and, much as I dislike saying this, but you can bet your bottom dollar that any Air Defense systems in Ven. are already targeted, the only thing that might give Pedonald pause is if there's a chance that Russian techs. would be injured or killed and I'm not even sure that would stop him.

ananda

(34,135 posts)
36. Well... it is true that Trump has virtually no impulse control these days...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 06:20 PM
Saturday

and no real sense of judgment... due both to his psychopathy
and his dementia.

And if there is anyone or anything that could stop him, I'm
not sure they would be in place.

Lovie777

(21,292 posts)
4. Russia is sending troops....................
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:42 AM
Saturday

Innocent people will suffer and die including US troops.

Republican party is evil.

EX500rider

(12,115 posts)
21. "Russia is sending troops.." What troops?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:10 PM
Saturday
No, Russia is not currently sending large numbers of troops to Venezuela, but there are reports of military cooperation and past deployments for specific purposes. In March 2019, Russia sent troops for military consultations related to technical cooperation agreements, but these were not operations, and this deployment has since concluded. More recently, Russia's engagement has focused on military diplomacy and providing military aid, with a reduction in activity since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Past deployment: In 2019, Russia confirmed sending troops to Venezuela for "military consultations" as part of its military-technical cooperation agreements.

Current cooperation: Russia continues to have military ties with Venezuela, but since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, its focus has shifted, and its military presence is significantly smaller than in previous years.

Military diplomacy: The relationship is now focused more on military diplomacy, including joint military exchanges and providing military aid.

Requests for support: Venezuela has asked Russia and China for help strengthening its military capabilities

JohnnyRingo

(20,333 posts)
7. The first step in a military assault is always control the airspace.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:24 AM
Saturday

Troops have to know every aircraft they see is friendly. It also prevents the enemy from launching attacks against the ground forces.
I guarantee this isn't something he came up with on his own. It came from the Pentagon tasked with a plan of invasion.

Well now. Here's another one of those wars Mr Peacemaker can end.

travelingthrulife

(4,026 posts)
9. Both China and Russia support Venezuela. They will protect their oil sources and
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:06 AM
Saturday

allies.

Height of foolishness.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
14. And just how are they going to protect Ven.?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:14 AM
Saturday

You think Russia, who can't even invade and conquer a nation right on their door step, are going to engage US forces in our own back yard?
Of course not, they're not stupid, the Generals and Admirals know it would be a disaster and humiliation for them.

And what about China?
China certainly isn't going to send combat troops or the PLAN into our back yard, the same thing would happen and the Chinese are no fools.

About the only thing they can do is go the UN to denounce this illegal action, which we all know, will amount to nothing, considering the US can veto any proposed actions.

I am hoping cooler heads step in and say no, but the reality of the situation is that if Pedonald does order an invasion of Ven., there is very little militarily that either Russia or China can do to stop it.

NickB79

(20,195 posts)
18. I would assume Russia and China would send cheap armed drones
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:33 AM
Saturday

Seeing as how effective they've been in Ukraine. And then Venezuela would wage a prolonged guerilla war against US troops from the jungles and mountains.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
19. That's the most likely scenario, any guerilla was would be a disaster for the US,
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:38 AM
Saturday

but we know that Pedonald doesn't give 2 shits about the military, I guess he misses the "good ole days" of US coffins landing at Dover AFB.

What a great way to deflect from the Epstein scandal a every other illegal action he's taken.
SCOTUS, Roberts, sure screwed America with their ridiculous immunity ruling.

Fucking Congress needs to step in and put a stop to this illegal regime.

GCG

(8 posts)
30. Well
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:08 PM
Saturday

It's not only Pedonald who doesn't give 2 shits about the military, we can add Whiskey Pete, every Service Secretary, and every member of the Joint Chiefs!

General Caine has been marching in lockstep with the Trump since he came back from retirement, and I doubt if the other members of the Joint Chiefs are any better!

As for Congress, they've been allowing Trump to do what he wants and they won't do anything to stop him!

The US military is now being commanded by officers who are politicians wearing uniforms!

House of Roberts

(6,336 posts)
12. Dumb question, I know, but
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:56 AM
Saturday

why do you attack 'alleged' drug traffickers while pardoning a CONVICTED drug trafficker?

DallasNE

(7,934 posts)
13. That Is An Act Of War
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:02 AM
Saturday

Congress has not declared war, nor has it funded the war. There is no emergency to authorize the President to bypass Congress. Putin has announced that Russia is sending troops to help defend Venezuela. This will get ugly fast. Who is there to keep the lid on?

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
15. I seriously doubt that Russia is sending combat troops to Ven.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:20 AM
Saturday

the personnel being sent are more likely technicians to teach the Ven. military how to operate the systems Russia is attempting to send.
Russia is not going to engage any US combat forces, they can't even take over a country on their own border, much less defend Ven.

Lets hope that Pedonald is doing his usual stirring up shit while trying to strong arm Ven. into doing what he wants them to do.

DallasNE

(7,934 posts)
37. You Could Be Right
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 06:28 PM
Saturday

Indeed, I hope you are. But how would that make Putin look after making a big deal out of it? He would have to somehow save face, but how?

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,262 posts)
25. Pedonald says:
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:31 PM
Saturday

International Law?
INTERNATIONAL LAW?
We don't need no stinkin' international law.

Mike Nelson

(10,868 posts)
29. We must be at war...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:03 PM
Saturday

... with Venezuela. A country can't "close the airspace" of another country, on its own. What does the UN say? What does the US Congress say? We keep blowing up boats, which Crooked Donald claims are filled with illegal drugs. Where is the proof? Why do the boats keep coming?

Fla Dem

(27,377 posts)
39. EMPEROR of the WORLD!
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:07 AM
Sunday

What friggin right does he have to close airspace over another country where we have no authority whatsoever. If he has a problem with Venezuela, take it to the United Nations where both countries are members. This whole aggressive action, from the bombing of boats to closing airspace should also been addressed by the appropriate committees in congress.

He should focus more on the merciless killing of Ukrainians by the Russians and the Palestinians by Israel.

The more we let him do without approval by congress and consequences, the more he will do. Now is the time to start limiting his actions. He has a 36% voter approval rating, 60% Disapproval.

Trump's latest approval rating is around 36% to 40%, with various recent polls showing figures within this range. For example, a recent AP-NORC poll found it to be 36%, while a Reuters/Ipsos poll indicated 40%. Recent data also shows a decline in his approval, particularly concerning his handling of the economy, with some sources reporting disapproval at 60%.
Latest figures: Recent polls from November 2025 show approval ratings between 36% and 40%.
Specific polls: An AP-NORC poll found the approval rating at 36%, while a Reuters/Ipsos poll placed it at 40%.
Economic approval: Approval for his handling of the economy is even lower, with a Fox News poll showing 38% approval and 61% disapproval.
Overall disapproval: Overall disapproval has risen, with Gallup reporting it at 60%.

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