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demmiblue

(40,056 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 04:37 PM 8 hrs ago

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional

Source: NYT

A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu, defense officials said.

The outbreak at the base in San Antonio raced through an Air Force Basic Military Training wing, where new recruits sleep on bunk beds in open bays and share meals at large communal tables.

A trainee in his sixth week of basic training died after falling ill on Friday and being taken to Brooke Army Medical Center, the Air Force said in a news release. It was not immediately clear whether the death of the trainee, Keon McDaniel, was related to the flu outbreak.



In the weeks since Mr. Hegseth’s vaccine policy took effect on April 21, only about 40 percent of Air Force trainees have opted to take the vaccine, which had previously been mandatory, an Air Force official said.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html

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Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional (Original Post) demmiblue 8 hrs ago OP
Too stupid to know UpInArms 8 hrs ago #1
With great freedumb comes great culpability... RockRaven 8 hrs ago #2
Barrack conditions increase spread of respiratory illnesses perdita9 8 hrs ago #3
I believe we all consider them pro-death! ananda 6 hrs ago #24
And? This shit is what Republicans want. The regime can't blame it on anyone but themselves when the GOP Karasu 8 hrs ago #4
Sounds like a self-made major security issue to me MoseShrute 8 hrs ago #5
FAFO Redux Bo Zarts 8 hrs ago #6
This is late in the season for flu. Sanity Claws 8 hrs ago #7
They are all in close proximity to each other. LisaL 6 hrs ago #17
Possibly, but flu doesn't go a way... paleotn 6 hrs ago #22
Calendars are a man-made construct. Diseases, not so much. littlemissmartypants 6 hrs ago #25
I Got My First Flu Shot MissouriDem47 8 hrs ago #8
MAGA at work, weakening military preparedness. Martin68 8 hrs ago #9
No one could have foreseen this. Jim__ 8 hrs ago #10
Coming soon: Hegseth force-feeds Lackland AFB with ivermectin (nt) muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #11
Way to protect the troops -- and keep them in readiness. A SOD who does neither should be impeached. eppur_se_muova 7 hrs ago #12
My feelings exactly. LisaL 7 hrs ago #15
If they can get close enough to the Iranian soldiers, they can cough all over them ... eppur_se_muova 6 hrs ago #19
Got, carry, spread... die. Can they or anyone close to them feel safe when they are potentially vectors of harm? littlemissmartypants 6 hrs ago #26
Sad to see US troops having the attitude of teenagers--ie. It can't affect me!! riversedge 5 hrs ago #28
Depleted weapons, sick troops, underfed ship personnel, an addled Prez and his numbskulls. What could go wrong! chowder66 7 hrs ago #13
Almost makes you wonder if the Russians or some other clever enemy calimary 5 hrs ago #29
It's almost like there is a connection between being un-vaccinated LisaL 7 hrs ago #14
Who else here knew this was going to happen Figarosmom 7 hrs ago #16
Anybody with half a brain? LisaL 6 hrs ago #18
The level of stupidity in the United States is increasing geometrically thanks NoMoreRepugs 6 hrs ago #20
Pasteur would not be pleased ... SorellaLaBefana 6 hrs ago #21
This at a time when mRNA technology is creating a revolution in vaccines. paleotn 6 hrs ago #23
Pete Sez..... Sane1 6 hrs ago #27
The arrogance of this SOB vapor2 5 hrs ago #30
What a fucking dumbshit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 5 hrs ago #31
There's a reason the flu vaccine was made mandatory after the Spanish Flu over 100 years ago. COL Mustard 5 hrs ago #32
For all we know he is using ivermectin. LisaL 3 hrs ago #39
MaddowBlog-Two months after Hegseth's regressive move, Air Force base faces major flu outbreak LetMyPeopleVote 4 hrs ago #33
If they don't restore the mandate, it will be FAR worse next year. pat_k 4 hrs ago #34
Yes, of course. LisaL 3 hrs ago #38
Nothing to see here! Aussie105 4 hrs ago #35
The inmates are in charge of the asylum. TomSlick 4 hrs ago #36
I remember quite well having the flu in 1977. I was in my twenties. Grammy23 3 hrs ago #37
Betcha dollars to donuts Kegsbreath made sure HE has been vaccinated Seinan Sensei 2 hrs ago #40

perdita9

(1,368 posts)
3. Barrack conditions increase spread of respiratory illnesses
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 04:45 PM
8 hrs ago

Flu, bacterial meningitis, etc. are famous for outbreaks among the military, college campuses and scout camps.

That's why colleges and the military require vaccinations. Scientists and doctors want to prevent death. The pro-lifers seem to court it.

Karasu

(2,278 posts)
4. And? This shit is what Republicans want. The regime can't blame it on anyone but themselves when the GOP
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 04:49 PM
8 hrs ago

are the ones who mainstreamed this anti-vax bullshit to begin with.

The only problem is that their rejection of science and love affair with quackery pose an imminent health threat to everyone, including the military they (at least pretend to) love so much.

How the fuck does legitimizing anti-vax shit not count as undermining military readiness, anyhow?

LisaL

(47,948 posts)
17. They are all in close proximity to each other.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:24 PM
6 hrs ago

Now majority of them are un-vaccinated. Late in a season, not late in a season, it doesn't matter. Whatever one of them has is going to spread around to the others.

paleotn

(23,008 posts)
22. Possibly, but flu doesn't go a way...
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 07:06 PM
6 hrs ago

People just spread out when the weather warms, limiting transmission. That's hard to do when you're cooped up with a bunch of guys during basic.

MissouriDem47

(451 posts)
8. I Got My First Flu Shot
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 04:58 PM
8 hrs ago

I got my first flu shot at Lackland AFB in 1966. I'm still here so evidently it did me no harm.

Jim__

(15,308 posts)
10. No one could have foreseen this.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 05:07 PM
8 hrs ago

From National Library of Medicine:

The American military experience in World War I and the influenza pandemic were closely intertwined. The war fostered influenza in the crowded conditions of military camps in the United States and in the trenches of the Western Front in Europe. The virus traveled with military personnel from camp to camp and across the Atlantic, and at the height of the American military involvement in the war, September through November 1918, influenza and pneumonia sickened 20% to 40% of U.S. Army and Navy personnel. These high morbidity rates interfered with induction and training schedules in the United States and rendered hundreds of thousands of military personnel non-effective. During the American Expeditionary Forces' campaign at Meuse-Argonne, the epidemic diverted urgently needed resources from combat support to transporting and caring for the sick and the dead. Influenza and pneumonia killed more American soldiers and sailors during the war than did enemy weapons.

eppur_se_muova

(42,855 posts)
12. Way to protect the troops -- and keep them in readiness. A SOD who does neither should be impeached.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 05:48 PM
7 hrs ago

Of course, in a better world, Kegsbreath would never have been approved in the first place.


One reason the "Spanish Flu" of WWI was so lethal was that there were thousands of new recruits packed into crowded tents and barracks on US Army bases. Once the flu hit, it spread like wildfire, and young men's lives were consumed like tinder. That's what happens when there are no vaccines. That lesson has been repeated over and over, but the slow learners still don't get it.

LisaL

(47,948 posts)
15. My feelings exactly.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:22 PM
7 hrs ago

How are they going to be ready for anything if a large number of them got the flu?

eppur_se_muova

(42,855 posts)
19. If they can get close enough to the Iranian soldiers, they can cough all over them ...
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:29 PM
6 hrs ago

... but they were probably vaccinated.



(or Venezuelan, Cuban, Greenlander, etc.)

littlemissmartypants

(35,361 posts)
26. Got, carry, spread... die. Can they or anyone close to them feel safe when they are potentially vectors of harm?
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 07:22 PM
6 hrs ago

chowder66

(12,660 posts)
13. Depleted weapons, sick troops, underfed ship personnel, an addled Prez and his numbskulls. What could go wrong!
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:05 PM
7 hrs ago

calimary

(91,315 posts)
29. Almost makes you wonder if the Russians or some other clever enemy
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 07:32 PM
5 hrs ago

thought this up.

“Hmmmm… what might happen if we tried something like this on the Americans?”

Subtle but certain.

LisaL

(47,948 posts)
14. It's almost like there is a connection between being un-vaccinated
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:21 PM
7 hrs ago

and getting the flu.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,295 posts)
20. The level of stupidity in the United States is increasing geometrically thanks
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:30 PM
6 hrs ago

to Trumpism.

SorellaLaBefana

(536 posts)
21. Pasteur would not be pleased ...
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 06:50 PM
6 hrs ago

We have come So Very Far, and now, as a society, we wish to return to the per-Enlightenment days of ignorance and needless death.

40% of boots took the vax!? That is the result of decades of lies on 'news' programs and of schools being unable to teach science, or reasoning.

Even MILITARY Science is turning to crap: Force Preservation being one of the foundations of an effective military.

The ROMANS knew that, which is why had they sewage design regulations for even over night temporary encampments (which also required the construction of a temporary palisade from staves carried for this purpose). If given a choice, expect that a lot of Legionaries would have passed on doing any of that - especially as it might have to be repeated the next night, after a long days march.

The reforms of Gaius Marius had greatly reduced the use of slow and vulnerable baggage trains by having the Legionnaires carry more of their own stuff which typically ended up being 60-80 pounds of gear.

paleotn

(23,008 posts)
23. This at a time when mRNA technology is creating a revolution in vaccines.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 07:12 PM
6 hrs ago

These are the things that make me want to beat my head on the desk.

COL Mustard

(8,472 posts)
32. There's a reason the flu vaccine was made mandatory after the Spanish Flu over 100 years ago.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 08:12 PM
5 hrs ago

Then this moron comes in and changes the rules, I'm not surprised at a major outbreak. He's really that stupid. And I'll bet he's gotten his vaccinations. He doesn't want to get sick.

LetMyPeopleVote

(183,586 posts)
33. MaddowBlog-Two months after Hegseth's regressive move, Air Force base faces major flu outbreak
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 08:32 PM
4 hrs ago

Eight weeks after flu vaccines became optional in the armed forces, we’re already seeing the consequences of the Pentagon chief’s shortsighted policy.

Two months after Hegseth’s regressive move, Air Force base faces major flu outbreak
Eight weeks after flu vaccines became optional in the armed forces, we’re already seeing the consequences of the Pentagon chief’s shortsighted policy.

www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...

NanNan🦋 🇺🇦❤️🇵🇸 🏳️‍🌈 👵🇬🇱🐾 (@nan-nanlovesme.bsky.social) 2026-06-18T20:55:48.657Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/hegseth-vaccines-air-force-base-flu-outbreak

While service members could voluntarily get a flu vaccine, Hegseth decided to reverse the military’s longstanding policy and end the requirement as a condition of service.

The change led to a variety of questions, including the obvious one: How long would it take before this misguided, regressive and unnecessary decision backfired on the armed forces? The answer, it turns out, is not quite two months. The New York Times reported:

A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu, defense officials said.

The outbreak at the base in San Antonio raced through an Air Force Basic Military Training wing, where new recruits sleep on bunk beds in open bays and share meals at large communal tables.


The Times’ report noted that one trainee in his sixth week of basic training died after falling ill late last week, although the exact cause of death is still under investigation.

The report added that only about 40% of Air Force trainees have opted to take the flu vaccine — a total that used to be 100%, because it wasn’t optional. In response to the outbreak at Lackland, the base received an exception from Hegseth’s policy and is now requiring recruits to get vaccinated......

The point is not to intrude on “medical autonomy,” a phrase Hegseth emphasized when he made the change in April. Rather, military leaders, during Democratic and Republican administrations, have long understood that readiness requires healthy troops, many of whom often serve in close quarters with fellow service members, here and abroad.

As The Atlantic’s Adam Serwer noted, “Nothing has killed more soldiers in the history of humanity than disease.” American leaders have wisely taken steps for generations to try to prevent this from happening.

It might be tempting to think officials at the Defense Department would see what happened at Lackland Air Force Base and reassess Hegseth’s mistake from two months ago. But that’s apparently not going to happen: The Pentagon’s chief spokesman told the Times that the department stands by the secretary’s decision

pat_k

(14,459 posts)
34. If they don't restore the mandate, it will be FAR worse next year.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 08:49 PM
4 hrs ago

It's only been eight weeks, so it is primarily among new recruits that a large percent are unvaccinated. Next flu season, it will be service members across all branches and levels.

Aussie105

(8,310 posts)
35. Nothing to see here!
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 09:17 PM
4 hrs ago

Trump and Hegseth will just brand them as losers.

Culling of the herd through disease strengthens the herd, and all that.

Grammy23

(6,138 posts)
37. I remember quite well having the flu in 1977. I was in my twenties.
Thu Jun 18, 2026, 09:34 PM
3 hrs ago

I was teaching a kindergarten class and fell ill in Feb. Valentines Day to be exact. I went to my doctor because I was so sick I knew it was no ordinary head cold. In addition, I was as weak as a kitten. My doctor informed me that I had the flu and I’d be sick for at least a week and to be prepared to stay home for that long. I thought he was exaggerating and figured I’d be up and around by the end of that week. In other words, three or four days. I was wrong. I was in bed sick as a dog for the full week. There was no Tamiflu or other drugs at that time. Just treat the fever and call him back if I developed other symptoms that could be treated, such as cough.

The following week I returned to my job because all the flu symptoms were gone. But here is the truth. I felt like a zombie and just moved slowly through my days, barely keeping myself upright. It took three full weeks for me to begin to feel like myself again. That meant a total of one month, counting the actual time I was in bed and the recovery period afterward.

Flu is no joke. Kegsbreath needs to enjoy a bout or two of the flu to fully appreciate what he brought upon those young people in training. They are far too young to fully understand what opting out of the flu shot was risking. He is not qualified to make that decision about to vaccinate or not. That is best left to medical professionals. Thank goodness for Tamiflu. I hope they had plenty of it to help those young recruits recover.

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