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mopinko

(72,716 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:52 AM Sunday

asking for thoughts on dog food.

so, my bully dog is losing hair on her sides. weird pattern, same on both sides. no sign of skin irritation, just hair loss. took her to the vet. nothing wrong they cd find. recommended a fish oil supplement, but i’m a bit skeptical. vets seem to rec a lot of supplements/alt treatments that have not been proven, or in some cases disproven. like chondroitin supplements which have never been proven to repair cartilage.

i’m thinking i cd afford a higher quality dog food for her. maybe a fish based 1. i dont think the whole hog ppl food is worth the money. but curious is anyone has thoughts on what brands r worth the money.
i’ve fed purina to most of my dogs on the rec of my long time vet. many vets rec them, as they do have the strongest research arm. my dogs have always lived to a ripe old age.
currently feeding a brand called optim, which is what the breeder fed.

so, just wondering what folks here think.

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asking for thoughts on dog food. (Original Post) mopinko Sunday OP
So they don't think she has an allergy or anything? barbtries Sunday #1
We use the vet food for our cat. It's cheaper to feed a dog! marble falls Sunday #3
not on ID! barbtries Sunday #8
Muggles has been more a child for us than anything. He's been a blessing to two old folks a thousand miles plus ... marble falls Sunday #10
she's almost 3. mopinko Sunday #12
still a puppy! barbtries Sunday #13
honestly, i see no sign that it is bothering her. mopinko Sunday #18
When our Bostons developed the same sort of symtoms, the vet said to switch to lamb and rice ... marble falls Sunday #2
That's been our experience, though not because of allergies or intolerance of certain foods. Texin Sunday #24
Muggles eats dry and wet, too. Hates tuna, loves chicken and turkey. He loves the purina I buy for the ferrals as a snac marble falls Sunday #30
I was getting so worried trying to find something Cilla would eat, I tried a can of mackerel. She LOVED it! Texin Sunday #41
Mackerel is a highly maligned fish. We had an emergency house guest refuse to eat a mackerel noodle casserole ... marble falls Yesterday #47
Dear mopinko Diamond_Dog Sunday #4
Lyme, ehrlychiosis, and babesia can be cured with a single shot of Imizol, a cattle anti-parasitic drug approved in late SheltieLover Sunday #9
Thank you SheltieLover. I will look into it Diamond_Dog Sunday #20
YW! I would if i were you. My vet had to order the vial. I think it was $97 at the time in 2000. SheltieLover Sunday #21
Please talk with your veterinarian again Dr. Shepper Sunday #31
Lyme disease is treated with antibiotics Dr. Shepper Sunday #29
My dogs had both & ehrlychiosis. Dr. Kakoma, U of I vet pathologist directed tx SheltieLover Sunday #32
New one for me. We just happen to have a large animal vet across the street. marble falls Yesterday #48
yeah, i'm aware of what is said/written about fish oils. mopinko Sunday #17
The problem with me is that fish oil has a very limited 'fresh' period. I've read where fish oil suppliments ... marble falls Yesterday #49
My Pit Bull has same problem SheltieLover Sunday #5
yeah, i dont cook for myself. mopinko Sunday #14
No way would I attempt to cook for any animal because balancing their diet and ensuring all the necessary components are SheltieLover Sunday #16
I have injectable Benadryl. Have to find and independent drug store to get it. multigraincracker Sunday #33
Interesting. Thx for sharing SheltieLover Sunday #34
Our shelter feeds Hill's Science Diet exclusively Jilly_in_VA Sunday #6
We boarded our dog a few days last fall and I was tempted to have them feed Hill's Adult Sensitive Skin & Stomach food, SheltieLover Sunday #11
Yeah, well Jilly_in_VA Sunday #36
Holistic circles did NOT result in kraznov or worm brain. SheltieLover Sunday #38
I really don't think maggots are a food item any dog hasn't eaten. Very good source of protein. marble falls Yesterday #50
Jill in VA, pleae see my detailed discussion of this below. Science diet is a good option. hlthe2b Sunday #43
SheltieLover, there is actually a very goood reason it contains dried black soldier fly larvae... hlthe2b Sunday #42
Thx for sharing SheltieLover Sunday #44
Yeah... Personally, I draw the line at anything cockroaches.... albeit they will surely out survive all of us... hlthe2b Sunday #45
Lol. I draw the line at bugs & reptiles personally SheltieLover Sunday #46
We have a Bernie-doodle, he is a good sized dog, Americanme Sunday #7
yeah, been feeding the lamb formula. salmon is out of stock atm. mopinko Sunday #15
We were buying Purina Pro Plan, Americanme Sunday #22
My best boy Rocky had similar hair loss TexLaProgressive Sunday #19
GO Petcurean any of the Skin & Coat flavors. Canadian food. Clouds Passing Sunday #23
My dog was allergic to chicken Keepthesoulalive Sunday #25
I feed Iams to mine UpInArms Sunday #26
One of our Great Pyrenees gets yeast infections on her skin Bayard Sunday #27
there's no sign of infection or irritation of any kind. mopinko Sunday #35
Maybe Nigrum Cattus Sunday #28
Mixture JustTooMuch Sunday #37
looking for supplements mopinko Sunday #39
Supplements JustTooMuch Sunday #40
We use montanacowboy Yesterday #51

barbtries

(30,513 posts)
1. So they don't think she has an allergy or anything?
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:59 AM
Sunday

that's puzzling. Is she getting old? I don't know.
Not recommending, but my dogs get ID prescription pet food. One the stress formula and low fat wet and the little one the ID wet food for intestinal health. He gets Royal Canin chihuahua dry food.

I'm sorry I can't really help you and i'm disappointed that your vet had no answers for you.

barbtries

(30,513 posts)
8. not on ID!
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:04 AM
Sunday

I pay a lot for their food. But you know, they're members of our family and deserve the best we can do for them. But it is steep for sure.

marble falls

(66,329 posts)
10. Muggles has been more a child for us than anything. He's been a blessing to two old folks a thousand miles plus ...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:08 AM
Sunday

... away from our children. He gets good care.

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
12. she's almost 3.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:13 AM
Sunday

she did say if a fish oil supplement doesnt help she shd go on a prescription diet.

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
18. honestly, i see no sign that it is bothering her.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:30 AM
Sunday

and vet saw no sign that it is anything serious, so…

marble falls

(66,329 posts)
2. When our Bostons developed the same sort of symtoms, the vet said to switch to lamb and rice ...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:00 AM
Sunday

... and it worked. Not all that much more expensive. Be careful not to get too high of a protein content, dogs and cats have different needs. The higher carb content of dog foods will help keep their skin clear.

This is a simple but important need and there is a lot written about it.

Dogs will not thrive on high protein and cats will not thrive on high carbs. A lot of dog owners I know over emphasize protein.

Texin

(2,743 posts)
24. That's been our experience, though not because of allergies or intolerance of certain foods.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:42 AM
Sunday

Our vet told me that dogs absolutely need grains and veggies like green beans, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, (cooked, of course, though some will munch on them raw), in addition to the protein-based dog foods. Be careful of fruits, but small tidbits of apple have never hurt any our dogs that like them (but skip the peel).

We've had cats, and I never gave them anything but protein, whether canned, dry or occasionally a bite of salmon or tuna, and they did eat dry as well.

marble falls

(66,329 posts)
30. Muggles eats dry and wet, too. Hates tuna, loves chicken and turkey. He loves the purina I buy for the ferrals as a snac
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:50 PM
Sunday

... he also learned to like the carrots and peas in the can food. If there's peas on my plate, he's interested.

Texin

(2,743 posts)
41. I was getting so worried trying to find something Cilla would eat, I tried a can of mackerel. She LOVED it!
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:10 PM
Sunday

Turns out, so did I! It's not as stinky as tuna or salmon, and it has a pleasantly mild and very slightly (very slightly) "sweet" and clean taste (sans skin, of course). I love fish altogether, but I was totally surprised how good the mackerel was.

marble falls

(66,329 posts)
47. Mackerel is a highly maligned fish. We had an emergency house guest refuse to eat a mackerel noodle casserole ...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:38 AM
Yesterday

... she had no reason except "she didn't eat mackerel". I asked her if she had ever tried it before, and she said no, she just knew she wouldn't like it.

I blame Oscar Wilde and his 'bon mot' - "Guests, like mackerel, stink after three days."

Diamond_Dog

(37,402 posts)
4. Dear mopinko
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:02 AM
Sunday

We give our Lab fish oil supplements as recommended by our vet. She does very well with it and has a nice thick, soft, coat.

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/nutrition/fish-oil-for-dogs/

“Fish oil is one of the best supplements to add to your dog’s diet. Fish oil supports your dog’s heart health, promotes a silky coat, reduces itchy and flaky skin, and can help relieve allergies and joint pain. It can even help strengthen a dog’s immune system and could help them fight canine cancer.

All of this is because fish oil contains omega-3 fatty acids, an essential “good” type of fat that helps your dog’s body and brain. Like humans, dogs can’t produce omega-3 fatty acids on their own and must get them from their diet. If you’re considering including fish oil as a part of your dog’s nutritional routine, here’s what you need to know “. See more at link.

***** our vet does not think much of Purina foods. Unfortunately my dog has Lyme disease but we are managing it and she is doing well. We have to give her Hill Science Diet for kidney support dog food.

Good luck with your precious Bully!

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
9. Lyme, ehrlychiosis, and babesia can be cured with a single shot of Imizol, a cattle anti-parasitic drug approved in late
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:05 AM
Sunday

1990s for this purpose. Vets usually do not carry this drug because small animal practices don't have a call for it because it's primarily used for cattle, so you might have to buy the whole vial.

Have had 2 dogs successfully treated with this drug. There is a single or double-shot protocol, allergic reaction is much less likely with one-shot method, which is what I opted for.

Good luck to you!

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
21. YW! I would if i were you. My vet had to order the vial. I think it was $97 at the time in 2000.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:35 AM
Sunday

Lyme will absolutely wreak havoc on their organs if not eradicated.

Will PM you.

Dr. Shepper

(3,175 posts)
31. Please talk with your veterinarian again
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:51 PM
Sunday

There are veterinary dermatologists who may be able to help. Skin biopsies may also be indicated and would be sent to someone like me (a veterinary pathologist) to see if there are any microscopic changes that could tell you what is going on.

Do not give Imizol if your dog does not have a parasitic infection.

Dr. Shepper

(3,175 posts)
29. Lyme disease is treated with antibiotics
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:49 PM
Sunday

Not anti parasitics because it is caused by a bacterium. Imizol is indicated for babesiosis, which is caused by a protozoan parasite. https://merckusa.cvpservice.com/product/basic/view/1047111

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
32. My dogs had both & ehrlychiosis. Dr. Kakoma, U of I vet pathologist directed tx
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:04 PM
Sunday

Did the trick for all 3!

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
17. yeah, i'm aware of what is said/written about fish oils.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:28 AM
Sunday

just wondering if this is fact. not always the same thing.

marble falls

(66,329 posts)
49. The problem with me is that fish oil has a very limited 'fresh' period. I've read where fish oil suppliments ...
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:49 AM
Yesterday

... are most likely past date and rancid.

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
5. My Pit Bull has same problem
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:02 AM
Sunday

I've tried: salmon, turkey, chicken and rice, bison and beef. Most of them "no grain" formulas. No change whatsoever. At the rec of vet, changing the protein is the most effective for these skin allergies.

Thank goddess for Chewy's refund policy.

Chewy rep told me her Pittie has severe skin allergies. Said she tried all kinds of different foods and the only thing that made a difference was to "break off a teeny piece of Benedryl" and give it to him daily.

She also began buying large bags of chicken thighs, cooking them well, mixing in frozen veggies and tossing a couple of eggs into the mixture.

I've not yet tried the Benedryl.

I don't really think there is a good pet food because pet food is made from scraps by the same 5 human food producers.

Read this:

Food Pets Die For: Shocking Facts About Pet Food, by Ann Martin.

I've reordered the Blue Buffalo turkey kibble, as at least he will eat it. He would not touch the $80 / bag bison and beef food. Even with a bit of kitty kibble sprinkled on top.

Around and around we go...

Good luck to you.

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
14. yeah, i dont cook for myself.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:24 AM
Sunday

no way i’m cooking for my dog. and like i said- my dogs have almost all lived to a ripe old age, and in good health. my last bully, a big fella, lived to 13. have had mutts make it to 17.

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
16. No way would I attempt to cook for any animal because balancing their diet and ensuring all the necessary components are
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:27 AM
Sunday

included is too difficult.

I had a dober snot make it to 18.5 yrs. And she ate wal hell generic food, decades ago.

Good luck.

multigraincracker

(35,892 posts)
33. I have injectable Benadryl. Have to find and independent drug store to get it.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:24 PM
Sunday

Great for allergies if used occasionally. Just for emergency. Use a tiny amount.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,204 posts)
6. Our shelter feeds Hill's Science Diet exclusively
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:02 AM
Sunday

I know they make a Hair and Skin Formula for cats, so they probably do for dogs. This really sounds like an allergy, maybe grass? Or something in the home that you're using, such as detergent.

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
11. We boarded our dog a few days last fall and I was tempted to have them feed Hill's Adult Sensitive Skin & Stomach food,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:11 AM
Sunday

but it has black fly larvae in it.

From Chewy:

Ingredients
Pollock Meal, Cracked Pearled Barley, Dried Black Soldier Fly Larvae, Whole Grain Corn, Whole Grain Sorghum, Corn Starch, Chicken Fat, Pea Protein, Soybean Oil, Dried Beet Pulp, Hydrolyzed Chicken Flavor, Corn Protein Meal, Lactic Acid, Potassium Chloride, Fish Flavor, Choline Chloride, Flaxseed, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Iodized Salt, Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols for freshness, Oat Fiber, Natural Flavors, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Beta-Carotene, Apples, Broccoli, Carrots, Cranberries, Green Peas.

https://www.chewy.com/hills-science-diet-adult-sensitive/dp/851662

In holistic circles, Hill's is called "Death Diet." Just FYI.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,204 posts)
36. Yeah, well
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:20 PM
Sunday

holistic circles is how we got RFK Jr, just FYI.

It seems to agree with our shelter cars and dogs, including the long stay ones.

marble falls

(66,329 posts)
50. I really don't think maggots are a food item any dog hasn't eaten. Very good source of protein.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:55 AM
Yesterday

hlthe2b

(110,361 posts)
43. Jill in VA, pleae see my detailed discussion of this below. Science diet is a good option.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:03 PM
Sunday

But, for consumers seeing that on the label, I can understand the confusion. It is in some diets for a reason--not a contaminant or way to save money for Hill's...

hlthe2b

(110,361 posts)
42. SheltieLover, there is actually a very goood reason it contains dried black soldier fly larvae...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:46 PM
Sunday

The latter is a novel protein source that dogs will not have had contact with in food prior so it makes for a likely tolerated protein source for those with severe food allergies. Highly sustainable too--a positive with all the issues around beef, lamb, poultry production, and climate change--as well as all the controversies around the feeding of steroids and antibiotics in animal production. Granted, the very idea of "dried black soldier fly larvae" is pretty repulsive. But, the alternate "novel" proteins used previously--like ostrich and other exotic animals is clearly not sustainable, not to mention ungodly expensive. Ditto the future in lab-produced proteins and meat, which can offer potential benefits but at untold cost for the indefinite future.

Expect to see this source, like mealworms and other insects used in other foods for a variety of birds, mammals, and yes, humans, in the coming decades as conventional food production methods face untold stresses. Not as a contaminant, but a very desirable broad-spectrum protein source that likewise provides pre- and probiotic benefits. But, for specialty dietary dog and cat foods, the current use--to reduce dietary allergens-- is not a cost-saving measure for Hill's Science diets, but rather a means of addressing a serious health problem in some animals.

hlthe2b

(110,361 posts)
45. Yeah... Personally, I draw the line at anything cockroaches.... albeit they will surely out survive all of us...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:37 PM
Sunday

SheltieLover

(70,435 posts)
46. Lol. I draw the line at bugs & reptiles personally
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:44 PM
Sunday

I don't even eat shrimp or lobster anymore since a pharmacist once told me whst they're related to. Yuck.

Americanme

(234 posts)
7. We have a Bernie-doodle, he is a good sized dog,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:04 AM
Sunday

Currently weighs 105. He eats Optim Plus, salmon and oatmeal variety, and we give him grilled beef or chicken twice a day. He was very sick about a year ago, dropped to 70 pounds, stopped eating his dog food. That's when we started the beef and chicken. It's all he would eat for a while. He has made a complete recovery, his vet is very pleased.

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
15. yeah, been feeding the lamb formula. salmon is out of stock atm.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:27 AM
Sunday

i need to order today, so might call the store.
i didnt realize til just now that optim is their store brand. almost identical ingredients to purina pro plan.
as i said above, i dont cook for myself, no way i’m cooking for the dog.

Americanme

(234 posts)
22. We were buying Purina Pro Plan,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:59 AM
Sunday

Until the store manager told us Optim was identical, at a lower price. And after we buy 10 bags we get a free bag.

TexLaProgressive

(12,548 posts)
19. My best boy Rocky had similar hair loss
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:33 AM
Sunday

For the last 3 years no problem since we made sure he eats no wheat. He can eat food with rice but not wheat. He likes something on his dry food. We get a grain free can food that smells really good. I forget the brand. His treats are grain free as well, and I better not forget them.

I don't know if this is your dog's problem. We just tried it and the bare spots were soon covered in fuzz then fur.

Clouds Passing

(5,241 posts)
23. GO Petcurean any of the Skin & Coat flavors. Canadian food.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:04 AM
Sunday

Helps lessen shedding.

Also I feed a third of a can of NutriSource no grain wet food, any flavor.

Salmon will improve coat the best though. So yes fish, especially oily fish.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,448 posts)
25. My dog was allergic to chicken
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:46 AM
Sunday

I switched to a food called Earthborn Holistic Coastal Catch Herring Meal And Vegetable. I now feed all of my dogs this food and they are thriving. Allergy tests are very limited in scope, it might be a pollen or bug bite allergy. Apoquel is expensive but it works.

UpInArms

(52,981 posts)
26. I feed Iams to mine
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:51 AM
Sunday

It has a good protein balance and nutrients necessary …

If your dog coat seems amiss, I would recommend adding a tablespoon of brewers yeast once a day …

It should show signs of regrowth in a couple weeks

(Did this when I was showing chows and it kept their coats in good shape)

Bayard

(25,622 posts)
27. One of our Great Pyrenees gets yeast infections on her skin
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:30 PM
Sunday

We always know when she has another one because she scratches excessively, and start loses hair in those spots. They always smell like Frito's when they get it. Our vet is currently trying different meds. I don't want to leave her on prednisone.

We do cook for our dogs, two Pyr's, and one Scottish Collie. Mr. Bayard boils a big pot of chicken quarters for them, and adds brown rice and veges, along with a multi-vitamin. That amount feeds two giant dogs (both are 120-130 lbs,) and one medium sized, for 2 days. Our oldest Pyr is now 14 years old--positively ancient for the breed.

I don't like commercial foods. There always seems to be some recall going on. Plus, the extrusion process can be detrimental to nutrients, and protein content. Highly processed food is about as good for dogs as it is for people, (not.) Yes, it is much more convenient for humans to just dump dry food into a bowl.

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
35. there's no sign of infection or irritation of any kind.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:51 PM
Sunday

you seem to have misunderstood my post.

JustTooMuch

(42 posts)
37. Mixture
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:38 PM
Sunday

Our Bostie does a mixture of science diet lamb and rice and a couple of teaspoons of science diet stew from the cans. She is doing great on this diet

mopinko

(72,716 posts)
39. looking for supplements
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:15 PM
Sunday

on pet supplies plus, i’m surprised there rly isnt much. but i thing they have is ‘pour overs’, which i assume is similar to what u r doing. little plastic pouches of ‘stew’.

JustTooMuch

(42 posts)
40. Supplements
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:39 PM
Sunday

We use the stew since portion size is very controllable, we have a little glutton when allowed to be. We are lucky and don’t need supplements yet . Wish I could help more

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