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so, my bully dog is losing hair on her sides. weird pattern, same on both sides. no sign of skin irritation, just hair loss. took her to the vet. nothing wrong they cd find. recommended a fish oil supplement, but im a bit skeptical. vets seem to rec a lot of supplements/alt treatments that have not been proven, or in some cases disproven. like chondroitin supplements which have never been proven to repair cartilage.
im thinking i cd afford a higher quality dog food for her. maybe a fish based 1. i dont think the whole hog ppl food is worth the money. but curious is anyone has thoughts on what brands r worth the money.
ive fed purina to most of my dogs on the rec of my long time vet. many vets rec them, as they do have the strongest research arm. my dogs have always lived to a ripe old age.
currently feeding a brand called optim, which is what the breeder fed.
so, just wondering what folks here think.

barbtries
(30,513 posts)that's puzzling. Is she getting old? I don't know.
Not recommending, but my dogs get ID prescription pet food. One the stress formula and low fat wet and the little one the ID wet food for intestinal health. He gets Royal Canin chihuahua dry food.
I'm sorry I can't really help you and i'm disappointed that your vet had no answers for you.
marble falls
(66,329 posts)barbtries
(30,513 posts)I pay a lot for their food. But you know, they're members of our family and deserve the best we can do for them. But it is steep for sure.
marble falls
(66,329 posts)... away from our children. He gets good care.
mopinko
(72,716 posts)she did say if a fish oil supplement doesnt help she shd go on a prescription diet.
barbtries
(30,513 posts)I hope you get a remedy that works for her soon.
mopinko
(72,716 posts)and vet saw no sign that it is anything serious, so
marble falls
(66,329 posts)... and it worked. Not all that much more expensive. Be careful not to get too high of a protein content, dogs and cats have different needs. The higher carb content of dog foods will help keep their skin clear.
This is a simple but important need and there is a lot written about it.
Dogs will not thrive on high protein and cats will not thrive on high carbs. A lot of dog owners I know over emphasize protein.
Texin
(2,743 posts)Our vet told me that dogs absolutely need grains and veggies like green beans, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, (cooked, of course, though some will munch on them raw), in addition to the protein-based dog foods. Be careful of fruits, but small tidbits of apple have never hurt any our dogs that like them (but skip the peel).
We've had cats, and I never gave them anything but protein, whether canned, dry or occasionally a bite of salmon or tuna, and they did eat dry as well.
marble falls
(66,329 posts)... he also learned to like the carrots and peas in the can food. If there's peas on my plate, he's interested.
Texin
(2,743 posts)Turns out, so did I! It's not as stinky as tuna or salmon, and it has a pleasantly mild and very slightly (very slightly) "sweet" and clean taste (sans skin, of course). I love fish altogether, but I was totally surprised how good the mackerel was.
marble falls
(66,329 posts)... she had no reason except "she didn't eat mackerel". I asked her if she had ever tried it before, and she said no, she just knew she wouldn't like it.
I blame Oscar Wilde and his 'bon mot' - "Guests, like mackerel, stink after three days."
Diamond_Dog
(37,402 posts)We give our Lab fish oil supplements as recommended by our vet. She does very well with it and has a nice thick, soft, coat.
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/nutrition/fish-oil-for-dogs/
Fish oil is one of the best supplements to add to your dogs diet. Fish oil supports your dogs heart health, promotes a silky coat, reduces itchy and flaky skin, and can help relieve allergies and joint pain. It can even help strengthen a dogs immune system and could help them fight canine cancer.
All of this is because fish oil contains omega-3 fatty acids, an essential good type of fat that helps your dogs body and brain. Like humans, dogs cant produce omega-3 fatty acids on their own and must get them from their diet. If youre considering including fish oil as a part of your dogs nutritional routine, heres what you need to know . See more at link.
***** our vet does not think much of Purina foods. Unfortunately my dog has Lyme disease but we are managing it and she is doing well. We have to give her Hill Science Diet for kidney support dog food.
Good luck with your precious Bully!
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)1990s for this purpose. Vets usually do not carry this drug because small animal practices don't have a call for it because it's primarily used for cattle, so you might have to buy the whole vial.
Have had 2 dogs successfully treated with this drug. There is a single or double-shot protocol, allergic reaction is much less likely with one-shot method, which is what I opted for.
Good luck to you!
Diamond_Dog
(37,402 posts)
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)Lyme will absolutely wreak havoc on their organs if not eradicated.
Will PM you.
Dr. Shepper
(3,175 posts)There are veterinary dermatologists who may be able to help. Skin biopsies may also be indicated and would be sent to someone like me (a veterinary pathologist) to see if there are any microscopic changes that could tell you what is going on.
Do not give Imizol if your dog does not have a parasitic infection.
Dr. Shepper
(3,175 posts)Not anti parasitics because it is caused by a bacterium. Imizol is indicated for babesiosis, which is caused by a protozoan parasite. https://merckusa.cvpservice.com/product/basic/view/1047111
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)Did the trick for all 3!
marble falls
(66,329 posts)mopinko
(72,716 posts)just wondering if this is fact. not always the same thing.
marble falls
(66,329 posts)... are most likely past date and rancid.
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)I've tried: salmon, turkey, chicken and rice, bison and beef. Most of them "no grain" formulas. No change whatsoever. At the rec of vet, changing the protein is the most effective for these skin allergies.
Thank goddess for Chewy's refund policy.
Chewy rep told me her Pittie has severe skin allergies. Said she tried all kinds of different foods and the only thing that made a difference was to "break off a teeny piece of Benedryl" and give it to him daily.
She also began buying large bags of chicken thighs, cooking them well, mixing in frozen veggies and tossing a couple of eggs into the mixture.
I've not yet tried the Benedryl.
I don't really think there is a good pet food because pet food is made from scraps by the same 5 human food producers.
Read this:
Food Pets Die For: Shocking Facts About Pet Food, by Ann Martin.
I've reordered the Blue Buffalo turkey kibble, as at least he will eat it. He would not touch the $80 / bag bison and beef food. Even with a bit of kitty kibble sprinkled on top.
Around and around we go...
Good luck to you.
mopinko
(72,716 posts)no way im cooking for my dog. and like i said- my dogs have almost all lived to a ripe old age, and in good health. my last bully, a big fella, lived to 13. have had mutts make it to 17.
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)included is too difficult.
I had a dober snot make it to 18.5 yrs. And she ate wal hell generic food, decades ago.
Good luck.
multigraincracker
(35,892 posts)Great for allergies if used occasionally. Just for emergency. Use a tiny amount.
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)
Jilly_in_VA
(12,204 posts)I know they make a Hair and Skin Formula for cats, so they probably do for dogs. This really sounds like an allergy, maybe grass? Or something in the home that you're using, such as detergent.
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)but it has black fly larvae in it.
From Chewy:
Ingredients
Pollock Meal, Cracked Pearled Barley, Dried Black Soldier Fly Larvae, Whole Grain Corn, Whole Grain Sorghum, Corn Starch, Chicken Fat, Pea Protein, Soybean Oil, Dried Beet Pulp, Hydrolyzed Chicken Flavor, Corn Protein Meal, Lactic Acid, Potassium Chloride, Fish Flavor, Choline Chloride, Flaxseed, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Iodized Salt, Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols for freshness, Oat Fiber, Natural Flavors, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Beta-Carotene, Apples, Broccoli, Carrots, Cranberries, Green Peas.
https://www.chewy.com/hills-science-diet-adult-sensitive/dp/851662
In holistic circles, Hill's is called "Death Diet." Just FYI.
Jilly_in_VA
(12,204 posts)holistic circles is how we got RFK Jr, just FYI.
It seems to agree with our shelter cars and dogs, including the long stay ones.
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)
marble falls
(66,329 posts)hlthe2b
(110,361 posts)But, for consumers seeing that on the label, I can understand the confusion. It is in some diets for a reason--not a contaminant or way to save money for Hill's...
hlthe2b
(110,361 posts)The latter is a novel protein source that dogs will not have had contact with in food prior so it makes for a likely tolerated protein source for those with severe food allergies. Highly sustainable too--a positive with all the issues around beef, lamb, poultry production, and climate change--as well as all the controversies around the feeding of steroids and antibiotics in animal production. Granted, the very idea of "dried black soldier fly larvae" is pretty repulsive. But, the alternate "novel" proteins used previously--like ostrich and other exotic animals is clearly not sustainable, not to mention ungodly expensive. Ditto the future in lab-produced proteins and meat, which can offer potential benefits but at untold cost for the indefinite future.
Expect to see this source, like mealworms and other insects used in other foods for a variety of birds, mammals, and yes, humans, in the coming decades as conventional food production methods face untold stresses. Not as a contaminant, but a very desirable broad-spectrum protein source that likewise provides pre- and probiotic benefits. But, for specialty dietary dog and cat foods, the current use--to reduce dietary allergens-- is not a cost-saving measure for Hill's Science diets, but rather a means of addressing a serious health problem in some animals.
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)Yuck. Gross.
hlthe2b
(110,361 posts)
SheltieLover
(70,435 posts)I don't even eat shrimp or lobster anymore since a pharmacist once told me whst they're related to. Yuck.
Americanme
(234 posts)Currently weighs 105. He eats Optim Plus, salmon and oatmeal variety, and we give him grilled beef or chicken twice a day. He was very sick about a year ago, dropped to 70 pounds, stopped eating his dog food. That's when we started the beef and chicken. It's all he would eat for a while. He has made a complete recovery, his vet is very pleased.
mopinko
(72,716 posts)i need to order today, so might call the store.
i didnt realize til just now that optim is their store brand. almost identical ingredients to purina pro plan.
as i said above, i dont cook for myself, no way im cooking for the dog.
Americanme
(234 posts)Until the store manager told us Optim was identical, at a lower price. And after we buy 10 bags we get a free bag.
TexLaProgressive
(12,548 posts)For the last 3 years no problem since we made sure he eats no wheat. He can eat food with rice but not wheat. He likes something on his dry food. We get a grain free can food that smells really good. I forget the brand. His treats are grain free as well, and I better not forget them.
I don't know if this is your dog's problem. We just tried it and the bare spots were soon covered in fuzz then fur.
Clouds Passing
(5,241 posts)Helps lessen shedding.
Also I feed a third of a can of NutriSource no grain wet food, any flavor.
Salmon will improve coat the best though. So yes fish, especially oily fish.
Keepthesoulalive
(1,448 posts)I switched to a food called Earthborn Holistic Coastal Catch Herring Meal And Vegetable. I now feed all of my dogs this food and they are thriving. Allergy tests are very limited in scope, it might be a pollen or bug bite allergy. Apoquel is expensive but it works.
UpInArms
(52,981 posts)It has a good protein balance and nutrients necessary
If your dog coat seems amiss, I would recommend adding a tablespoon of brewers yeast once a day
It should show signs of regrowth in a couple weeks
(Did this when I was showing chows and it kept their coats in good shape)
Bayard
(25,622 posts)We always know when she has another one because she scratches excessively, and start loses hair in those spots. They always smell like Frito's when they get it. Our vet is currently trying different meds. I don't want to leave her on prednisone.
We do cook for our dogs, two Pyr's, and one Scottish Collie. Mr. Bayard boils a big pot of chicken quarters for them, and adds brown rice and veges, along with a multi-vitamin. That amount feeds two giant dogs (both are 120-130 lbs,) and one medium sized, for 2 days. Our oldest Pyr is now 14 years old--positively ancient for the breed.
I don't like commercial foods. There always seems to be some recall going on. Plus, the extrusion process can be detrimental to nutrients, and protein content. Highly processed food is about as good for dogs as it is for people, (not.) Yes, it is much more convenient for humans to just dump dry food into a bowl.
mopinko
(72,716 posts)you seem to have misunderstood my post.
Nigrum Cattus
(663 posts)https://www.pawcbd.com/blogs/posts/dog-hair-loss-home-remedies-causes-and-diagnosis?srsltid=AfmBOoqD-uegAf6Vh4LmsemDHIHtXuzSw6EUeui4hY2JHOG2veD1oQya
https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/home-remedies-for-dogs
JustTooMuch
(42 posts)Our Bostie does a mixture of science diet lamb and rice and a couple of teaspoons of science diet stew from the cans. She is doing great on this diet
mopinko
(72,716 posts)on pet supplies plus, im surprised there rly isnt much. but i thing they have is pour overs, which i assume is similar to what u r doing. little plastic pouches of stew.
JustTooMuch
(42 posts)We use the stew since portion size is very controllable, we have a little glutton when allowed to be. We are lucky and dont need supplements yet . Wish I could help more
montanacowboy
(6,525 posts)Farmer's Dog
Great food comes frozen, our dogs do great on it.