Populist or demagogue?

[merrily]

Hmmm. Seems as though even some dictionary definitions are rigged against populists!

demagogue
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dem·a·gogue also dem·a·gog (dĕm′ə-gôg′, -gŏg′ )
n.

1. A leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.

2. A leader of the common people in ancient times.

tr.v. dem·a·gogued, dem·a·gogu·ing, dem·a·gogues also dem·a·goged or dem·a·go·ging or dem·a·goges
Usage Problem To speak about (an issue, for example) in the manner of a demagogue.
[Greek dēmagōgos, popular leader : dēmos, people; see dā- in Indo-European roots + agōgos, leading (from agein, to lead; see ag- in Indo-European roots).]

Usage Note: Even though demagogue has been used as a verb meaning "to speak about something in the manner of a demagogue" since the 1600s, the verb has kept a low profile in the language. Recently, however, it has become a favorite of newspaper columnists. The Usage Panel does not view the verb with much favor in either its transitive or intransitive use. In our 1997 survey, 94 percent rejected it in the sentence Clinton will demagogue Medicare, unwilling to acknowledge that fundamental reforms need to be made in the system. A similar percentage rejected an example in which a representative can demagogue about price-fixing. Perhaps this resistance should not be surprising, since the use of familiar nouns as verbs is often the subject of complaints

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/demagogue

populist
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pop·u·list (pŏp′yə-lĭst)
n.
1. A supporter of the rights and power of the people.

2. Populist A supporter of the Populist Party.

n
1. (Historical Terms) history US a member of the People's Party, formed largely by agrarian interests to contest the 1892 presidential election. The movement gradually dissolved after the 1904 election
adj

2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) of, characteristic of, or relating to the People's Party, the Populists, or any individual or movement with similar aims

3. (Historical Terms) of, characteristic of, or relating to the People's Party, the Populists, or any individual or movement with similar aims
ˈPopulism npopulist (ˈpɒpjʊlɪst)

adj
1. appealing to the interests or prejudices of ordinary people
n
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person, esp a politician, who appeals to the interests or prejudices of ordinary people

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/populist

Let's be clear. One is a populist; the other is a demagogue. What I mean when I use the term "populist" is (from above) "1. A supporter of the rights and power of the people."

[nashville_brook]

1. i did the same definition comparison a week ago!

great minds, etc

was deconstructing a broad brush conservative hit on Bernie populists and came to the same conclusion. whoever controls the language controls the way we see the world.

[merrily]

2. Was that broad brush hit posted on DU? I recall one of those in the not too distant past.

[nashville_brook]

3. it might have been...i was writing a column and something set me on that

path. i use DU to do trend checks before i write, so much of what i do at least has some DU DNA in it.

[merrily]

4. This, perhaps? I found it entertaining (among other things).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026982708

A politician's being is for people, instead of big business is apparently a very scary thing to some DUers, as well as to certain dictionary authors.

[nashville_brook]

5. i found it -- Will Marshall on why Democrats need to cut Social Security

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/democratic-party-moderates-111770.html#.VbzbuEInRU5

Many liberals, for example, are just as theologically opposed to modernizing entitlements as conservatives are to raising taxes. The result of this demagogic stance is anything but progressive. It means Washington will continue to direct a growing share of the country’s resources to seniors while starving investment in children and families and future growth.

As I was trying to make sense of his argument, i realized that the word "demagogue" doesn't mean what we think it means. We associate the word with intellectual dishonesty + position of power, but that's not at all what it means.

[nashville_brook]

6. omg, that thread is a sh*t show! so glad i didn't see it.

jeff47 wins the thread!

[merrily]

7. I thought there were several winners. Rex, Erich Bloodaxe, romanic, to name a few. nt