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The Revolution

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73. Pointless and Dangerous

Tue Sep 23, 2025, 06:07 PM

Sep 23

Ok, so we split the country in two and everyone can move to the side they want. What if someone doesn't want to leave? Forced deportation and property seizure? Will you have free elections? Will people be allowed to vote for conservatives? If they are born in your country, but have conservative views, are they stripped of citizenship? Will we just become the thing we don't like?

Maybe everyone will be happy for a short time, but history shows us that factions will develop again. Then what? Another split? Or just a good old fashioned purge? Better hope you aren't in the wrong faction. Or even if you are in the right one, you might not be later.

China had a civil war, the nationalists went to Tawain, and everyone was happy, right? You ended up with two authoritarian regimes, was that a good thing? On the mainland, you soon had factions develop. One faction is in charge for a while, but once Mao died, they put his allies (and even widow) on trial and handed down death sentences. And these people were presumably all on the same side.

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I've finally come around on secession [View all] Joe Nation Sep 23 OP

It's secession(the action of withdrawing formally from membership of a federation or body, especially a political state) Wiz Imp Sep 23 #1

Secession. nt Wednesdays Sep 23 #2

Thanks Joe Nation Sep 23 #5

Folks knew what you meant. Public correction is rude. Joinfortmill Sep 23 #54

I agree. MorbidButterflyTat Sep 23 #60

2+347⅙ Oeditpus Rex Sep 23 #70

I always take 2+347 and 1/6 as a complement. Irish_Dem Sep 23 #84

... Oeditpus Rex Sep 23 #93

There have always been turncoats and traitors to our Liberal Revolution. GreenWave Sep 23 #3

In a time snowybirdie Sep 23 #4

This TheProle Sep 23 #6

Right BidenRocks Sep 23 #50

Many, many counties do exactly this. Joe Nation Sep 23 #7

Wondering snowybirdie Sep 23 #13

Not many have done that, at least not peaceably... Wounded Bear Sep 23 #23

The people of Yugoslavia didn't want to split Buzz cook Sep 23 #53

Yugoslavia Cirsium Sep 23 #27

Of those, I only see one as being "peaceful" breakups, Czechoslovakia... Wounded Bear Sep 23 #56

Right Cirsium Sep 23 #86

Ireland was invaded and colonized markodochartaigh Sep 23 #78

I would like it too, but if you think down the road a bit ...it's a really bad idea PortTack Sep 23 #37

I totally get your point. but if that happens, can those of us in Redstatistan seek political asylum in Bluestatistan? raccoon Wednesday #97

You are optimistic the nation will come together bronxiteforever Sep 23 #32

I am already separated from most every member of my family by conflicting beliefs misanthrope Sep 23 #57

We'd lose 95% of the geographic area somsai Sep 23 #87

All food production, potable water, energy production, roads, railroads, mining, etc... pcdb Sep 23 #89

Oops. Missed that one. Kingofalldems Wednesday #99

I wasn't advocating for the suggested form of secession misanthrope Wednesday #98

My Main Concern Deep State Witch Sep 23 #8

Whole areas of blue states would become depopulated Kaleva Sep 23 #51

I find it more likely those people in rural areas misanthrope Sep 23 #59

With the possibility of individual states, red and blue, breaking up Kaleva Sep 23 #61

Personally...(OK, if Aliens landing and made me King or even a Surf) I'd change a little... chouchou Sep 23 #9

There is a petition going around in Canada right now, that is trying to have politicians both elected and Bev54 Sep 23 #25

Sounds like a good idea. While it's true that the media has sometimes exaggerated the truth (To their liking) chouchou Sep 23 #49

About 5% of the adult population watches Fox News Kaleva Sep 23 #43

Really?! That's all?!! Who's stats were those electric_blue68 Sep 23 #75

5 percent does feel rather low. Anyway, we know that quite a bit of political contests... chouchou Sep 23 #88

I say let the stupid morons get what they deserve without dragging the rest of us down Blue Owl Sep 23 #10

Big sticking point: national defense. Qutzupalotl Sep 23 #11

Who can afford them? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 23 #62

I was watching the Max documentary on Gwen Shamblin and had a similar thought Maru Kitteh Sep 23 #12

Secession as a remedy Cirsium Sep 23 #14

What happens to the sane people living in red states? Bayard Sep 23 #15

Thank you. I wouldn't want to be left behind. hamsterjill Sep 23 #21

I Always Think of This!... electric_blue68 Sep 23 #74

The problem is that "People who support this fascist dictatorship" are your neighbors maxsolomon Sep 23 #16

I worry becoming two different countries would just cause more problems LostOne4Ever Sep 23 #17

There are a lot of Christian fundamentalists, fascists, racists and dumbasses along the west coast states. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 23 #18

Secession will be difficult if the Constitution still cachukis Sep 23 #19

The constitution does not matter to the existing regime or the supreme court for that matter. Bev54 Sep 23 #29

That seems to be true, but there will have to be some cachukis Sep 23 #63

Secession is not going to happen. LudwigPastorius Sep 23 #20

but the federal government has been dismantled Tumbulu Sep 23 #79

The US Armed forces have not been dismantled, in fact they are now receiving increased funding. Celerity Wednesday #96

Intermixture Nasruddin Sep 23 #22

Yeah, not geographically divided like we were back in the 1850's... Wounded Bear Sep 23 #26

Look up "soft secession" and see what you think of that tactic Hekate Sep 23 #24

Yes sounds great and it's already happening Freddie Sep 23 #45

Terrible idea. highplainsdem Sep 23 #28

giving that kind of power to these fascist fucks is utterly ridiculous Skittles Sep 23 #76

Absolutely! H2O Man Sep 23 #91

In my fantasy world--Blue States would combine with Canada crimycarny Sep 23 #30

The biggest problem is geography lapfog_1 Sep 23 #31

This is why borders change and people migrate. Irish_Dem Sep 23 #34

Yes, and it took centuries to bring warfare to a close relayerbob Sep 23 #41

This is the goal. Irish_Dem Sep 23 #33

Exactly correct relayerbob Sep 23 #40

Putin is a true evil genius. His plan has been extremely successful. Irish_Dem Sep 23 #44

Well, China relayerbob Sep 23 #65

Yes I agree. Russia has turned into another pain in the ass ally for China. Irish_Dem Sep 23 #66

It's China's gas station. thought crime Sep 23 #82

I have no idea how it would work CanonRay Sep 23 #35

That won't fix anything relayerbob Sep 23 #36

This is Putin's wet dream AdamGG Sep 23 #38

No thank you. What we needed 170 years ago Ilsa Sep 23 #39

Only way is if we give up rule of law Tree Lady Sep 23 #42

This again? mcar Sep 23 #46

Thank you thank you! Traildogbob Sep 23 #71

Don't know what "the Josh Holly" means but I love the sentiment! mcar Sep 23 #81

Sorry Traildogbob Sep 23 #83

I get it! Well said mcar Sep 23 #85

This is not a serious idea and does not merit serious discussion. tritsofme Sep 23 #47

Certain aspects of "soft succession" should definitely be more rigorously explored in blue states. Magoo48 Sep 23 #48

That's always seemed like the silliest idea. Even if a state managed to steal tax dollars intended for the federal tritsofme Sep 23 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Magoo48 Sep 23 #80

we went to war over secession bigtree Sep 23 #52

That might be great for those of you in blue states arkielib Sep 23 #58

Sounds awesome! But MenloParque Sep 23 #64

Can we draw the new boundaries to include all blue cities? Patton French Sep 23 #67

The problem is PCB66 Sep 23 #68

According to The Washington Post, journalist Tim Russert invented these terms during his televised coverage of the 2000 Celerity Wednesday #95

No, no, fuck no. themaguffin Sep 23 #69

Nope Wifes husband Sep 23 #72

Pointless and Dangerous The Revolution Sep 23 #73

Nations and empires come and go LS0999 Sep 23 #77

The problem with that idea now is, we are MUCH more divided between urban vs. rural voters, Jack Valentino Sep 23 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sep 23 #92

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