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In reply to the discussion: See with your own eyes [View all]

AloeVera

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39. That is illogical to the point of absurdity.
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 04:17 PM
Oct 7

I sometimes see this argument about suicidiality and I have to wonder why is it made, surely the illogic is evident?

My theory is that it helps to avoid the painful questions pertaining to October 7th: How is it possible that it happened and why?

I think Israel intentionally provoked the Hamas attack. There is some evidence - not enough, in my view - for the theory that Israel even helped facilitate it through willful inaction, negligence and perhaps even premeditated weakening of the usual military defenses around the border. Israel had ample warning and evidence for an imminent attack and chose not to heed it. The location and lack of security for the music festival is an anomaly for Israeli intelligence, military and police. There are many other red flags...

But there is no doubt that Israel engaged in strategic provocation of Hamas, a practice that has been a consistent prelude to war, especially when a narrative is needed to justify violent and unpalatable intentions such as the long-standing desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza and annex the West Bank.

Look what Netanyahu said in June/July 2023: that Palestinian hopes of establishing a sovereign state must be eliminated. He presented to the UN just one month before October 7th a map of the "New Middle East" in which Israel swallows up all of the OPT. His demands for judicial reform were designed for allowing continuing occupation, annexation and ethnic cleansing.

Oh and how about this tweet he put out?
"The Jewish people have an exclusive and unquestionable right to all areas of the Land of Israel. .. The government will promote and develop settlements in all parts of the Land of Israel..."

How about Ben-Gvir's 3 visits to Al-Aqsa Mosque in 2023 or the numerous raids by Israeli police? How about the storming of Al-Aqsa by Jewish settlers just days before October 7th - with the support of police and military?

These are all impossible demands made of Palestinians, an integral part of strategic provocation.

And if you ask yourself which side had most to gain from the destruction of Gaza the answer is obvious. It sure wasn't "Sinwar".



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See with your own eyes [View all] iemanja Oct 6 OP
JFC leftstreet Oct 6 #1
Someone posted a picture days of Gaza in 2023 and now and it brought tears to my eyes kimbutgar Oct 7 #2
It's heartbreaking iemanja Oct 7 #4
FUCK THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT Skittles Oct 7 #3
How can anyone doubt there are war crimes and genocide being committed there? Bayard Oct 7 #5
I do have a few questions.. homegirl Oct 7 #6
Which of those questions have answers that genocide solves? rubbersole Oct 7 #7
The area homegirl Oct 7 #16
Well, according to our Dear Leader... rubbersole Oct 7 #19
That is how homegirl Oct 7 #24
Repression. rubbersole Oct 7 #34
Thanks...lol AloeVera Oct 7 #43
Occasionally, I see a post that is so spot on iemanja Oct 7 #44
You can probably web search all of that and post it for everyone else here to see. ... littlemissmartypants Oct 7 #8
The population was 2 million iemanja Oct 7 #9
Women had the vote... homegirl Oct 7 #18
Had because no one has been able to vote iemanja Oct 7 #23
Oh boy. How much time do you have? AloeVera Oct 7 #30
We can always count on you for an informed response. iemanja Oct 7 #42
The Israelis are proud of this destruction RainCaster Oct 7 #10
The Israeli government did not publish it, the free press that exists in Israel published it. jg10003 Oct 7 #13
Do you know what the reaction to it is in Israel? AloeVera Oct 7 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author jg10003 Oct 7 #11
It's not genocide, it's war. jg10003 Oct 7 #12
Israel continues to steal Palestinian lands in the West Bank questionseverything Oct 7 #15
A realistic homegirl Oct 7 #25
Diversionary tactics Jilly_in_VA Oct 7 #28
the topic is "what is genocide". jg10003 Oct 7 #37
NO Jilly_in_VA Oct 7 #38
Wha Israel is doing in Gaza is the definition of genocide. Lonestarblue Oct 7 #32
And Trump demands the Nobel Prize for peace? oasis Oct 7 #14
Makes the demo easier to prep for their resort construction... Wounded Bear Oct 7 #17
Exactly. trump jr. is salivating over this land. trump Gaza is in his dreams. Totally Tunsie Oct 7 #20
There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn Ping Tung Oct 7 #21
Genocide and war crimes malaise Oct 7 #22
My god. underpants Oct 7 #26
Step 1 complete. Now for step 2 usonian Oct 7 #27
Israel Jilly_in_VA Oct 7 #29
The only thing missing is the billboard, gab13by13 Oct 7 #33
Trump Gaza Resort. The Riviera... HE IS GOING TO DO THIS IcyPeas Oct 7 #35
I see 10/7 as a suicide mission. maxsolomon Oct 7 #36
That is illogical to the point of absurdity. AloeVera Oct 7 #39
I'm not going to get on board with a LIHOP. maxsolomon Oct 7 #40
If you accept the strategic provocation, which is pretty clear, then there is an element of LIHOP in that... AloeVera Oct 7 #41
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