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AloeVera

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41. If you accept the strategic provocation, which is pretty clear, then there is an element of LIHOP in that...
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 05:00 PM
Oct 7

You provoke your enemy and accept that its response will be harmful to you.

But I think both Israel and Hamas miscalculated.

Hamas was prepared for a limited excursion into Israel, around the border military posts where it had planned to take hostages. It expected a full-spectrum defense by the IDF and hard-to-penetrate border defenses so it was to be a quick in-and-out operation.

Instead, it was able to breach the border easily and inexplicably and the IDF and other security apparatus collapsed unexpectedly. It encountered no meaningful resistance until well into the afternoon, enabling its members as well as civilians to attack unplanned targets. It claims not to have even known about the festival.

Hamas got caught in something they had not planned for, including some of their own criminal civilians going on a rampage.

There is just too much here to ignore. Putting it down to Hamas being suicidal is burying your head in the sand. It's reasonable to question how this all came about. There should be a fully independent commission of enquiry, but Netanyahu has blocked that.

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See with your own eyes [View all] iemanja Oct 6 OP
JFC leftstreet Oct 6 #1
Someone posted a picture days of Gaza in 2023 and now and it brought tears to my eyes kimbutgar Oct 7 #2
It's heartbreaking iemanja Oct 7 #4
FUCK THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT Skittles Oct 7 #3
How can anyone doubt there are war crimes and genocide being committed there? Bayard Oct 7 #5
I do have a few questions.. homegirl Oct 7 #6
Which of those questions have answers that genocide solves? rubbersole Oct 7 #7
The area homegirl Oct 7 #16
Well, according to our Dear Leader... rubbersole Oct 7 #19
That is how homegirl Oct 7 #24
Repression. rubbersole Oct 7 #34
Thanks...lol AloeVera Oct 7 #43
Occasionally, I see a post that is so spot on iemanja Oct 7 #44
You can probably web search all of that and post it for everyone else here to see. ... littlemissmartypants Oct 7 #8
The population was 2 million iemanja Oct 7 #9
Women had the vote... homegirl Oct 7 #18
Had because no one has been able to vote iemanja Oct 7 #23
Oh boy. How much time do you have? AloeVera Oct 7 #30
We can always count on you for an informed response. iemanja Oct 7 #42
The Israelis are proud of this destruction RainCaster Oct 7 #10
The Israeli government did not publish it, the free press that exists in Israel published it. jg10003 Oct 7 #13
Do you know what the reaction to it is in Israel? AloeVera Oct 7 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author jg10003 Oct 7 #11
It's not genocide, it's war. jg10003 Oct 7 #12
Israel continues to steal Palestinian lands in the West Bank questionseverything Oct 7 #15
A realistic homegirl Oct 7 #25
Diversionary tactics Jilly_in_VA Oct 7 #28
the topic is "what is genocide". jg10003 Oct 7 #37
NO Jilly_in_VA Oct 7 #38
Wha Israel is doing in Gaza is the definition of genocide. Lonestarblue Oct 7 #32
And Trump demands the Nobel Prize for peace? oasis Oct 7 #14
Makes the demo easier to prep for their resort construction... Wounded Bear Oct 7 #17
Exactly. trump jr. is salivating over this land. trump Gaza is in his dreams. Totally Tunsie Oct 7 #20
There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn Ping Tung Oct 7 #21
Genocide and war crimes malaise Oct 7 #22
My god. underpants Oct 7 #26
Step 1 complete. Now for step 2 usonian Oct 7 #27
Israel Jilly_in_VA Oct 7 #29
The only thing missing is the billboard, gab13by13 Oct 7 #33
Trump Gaza Resort. The Riviera... HE IS GOING TO DO THIS IcyPeas Oct 7 #35
I see 10/7 as a suicide mission. maxsolomon Oct 7 #36
That is illogical to the point of absurdity. AloeVera Oct 7 #39
I'm not going to get on board with a LIHOP. maxsolomon Oct 7 #40
If you accept the strategic provocation, which is pretty clear, then there is an element of LIHOP in that... AloeVera Oct 7 #41
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