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betsuni

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39. I see people describing it as economic equality, no understanding of regulated or unregulated capitalism.
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 12:39 AM
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Republican voters know Democrats are the regulators but people who call Democrats "neoliberals" have been told that both sides are bribed by billionaires to have the same unregulated capitalist policies and that's that.

The confusion began in 2015/16 when democratic socialism was given a new incorrect definition, FDR liberalism.

"Roosevelt knew his New Deal would be attacked as socialistic, so to protect it he called it liberalism ... captured the term for the Democrats and redefined it to mean a philosophy of government responsibility for social welfare. The result was that liberalism came to mean things like unemployment insurance, universal healthcare, Social Security and the like. ... However, it is a path that leaves capitalism as its economic engine.

"Only one presidential candidate I know of has ever adopted his own political label and given a speech defining it. That label, of course, is 'democratic socialist,' an old label but one which ... gave his own personal meaning to ... . [He] has spent his entire political life in the socialist lane, which has no track record of success. For credibility, he needs to move out of it but cannot abandon his lifelong 'socialist' label. So he tweaked his label to a less familiar one, 'democratic socialist,' and redefined this to be the same as FDR liberalism. So now he pretends that FDR was a socialist and he ... is the new FDR. ... [His followers] believe: Today's liberals reject FDR's political agenda because FDR was a democratic socialist. And so they see liberals as either conservative (neoliberals) or corrupt. Their reasoning is this: Liberals reject democratic socialism. and FDR was a democratic socialist, so liberals reject FDR. ... This deception continues to do a huge amount of damage to the Democratic Party."

Steven Stoft, How Democrats Win, Resisting Dark-Side Radicalism

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Democratic Socialism [View all] LyfeTimeDem Tuesday OP
if ya can't succeed with your own beliefs, sink your claws into an available other..... nt msongs Tuesday #1
So is mine. OldBaldy1701E Tuesday #2
well I see no evidence that LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #3
Question... when was capitalism successfully regulated? (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Tuesday #5
Capitalism is currently pretty well regulated in the Scandinavian countries Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #9
Since I do not know the workings of European commerce, I will take your word on their successes. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #45
In Scandinavian countries, people come before profits. Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #47
for 50 yrs in the U.S. LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #11
I don't know that one. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #46
EXACTLY my point! LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #48
Capitalism is successful in generating wealth for the few iemanja Tuesday #8
Sounds like what happens in the Socialist LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #12
I suggest you read Marx iemanja Tuesday #13
what makes you think I don't know LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #14
Your post gave me that impression iemanja Tuesday #15
then you are not reading my posts LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #16
Dont need to LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #18
Most folks don't know the difference between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #4
nope I do not LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #6
Thom Hartmann is a member of Democratic Underground. Emile Wednesday #44
and? LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #49
I'm not sure you know the meaning of "gaslighting" muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #54
If the philosophy can't be digested to a sentence mr715 Tuesday #35
Sounds like you're a libertarian. Nt Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #36
Ew mr715 Tuesday #37
Neoliberalism is a failed economic ideology Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #38
Maybe I'm mislabeling myself mr715 Wednesday #52
Democrats aren't neoliberals, it's a Both Sides insult, "an attempt to win an argument with an epithet." betsuni Wednesday #43
is it a "mess"? LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #50
And yet democracies can fall prey to demagogues mr715 Wednesday #51
Adam Smith the father of market capitalism in his book multigraincracker Tuesday #7
regulated.. but not eliminated... LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #19
According to Multigrain Economics. multigraincracker Tuesday #25
where??? LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #26
Quiet a few. multigraincracker Tuesday #27
so A* business is the proof? LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #32
Even a list of the top 100 worker owned businesses. multigraincracker Tuesday #28
which is where? LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #33
Yeah, I don't like DSA is Cha Tuesday #10
Very welcome LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #17
As Cha said, thanks for your OP, LyfeTimeDem Hekate Tuesday #20
and its straight up LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #22
Well, tread lightly. Feelings are high these days. Hekate Tuesday #30
obviously, my own feelings are high. LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #34
Well, capitalism IS an oppressive system thought crime Tuesday #21
it IS to most Democrats LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #23
If you are a Social Democrat then you, too, want to temper Capitalism's oppression thought crime Wednesday #56
This message was self-deleted by its author LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #24
Is DSA taking over the Democratic Party? leftstreet Tuesday #29
according to one of its LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #31
I see people describing it as economic equality, no understanding of regulated or unregulated capitalism. betsuni Wednesday #39
What is he talking about about? LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #40
That's what I said. betsuni Wednesday #41
Bernie Sanders doesn't get to make a LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #42
Yes, that's the plan! The base of the party knows it's ridiculous, why the base is redefined betsuni Wednesday #53
Mamdani is going to be a great NY City Mayor! Emile Wednesday #55
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