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betsuni

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53. Yes, that's the plan! The base of the party knows it's ridiculous, why the base is redefined
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 01:06 PM
Oct 8

as democratic socialists. Why it's repeated millions of times that Democrats ignore the working class. Why the true history and base and the big tent which is the party is erased.

The story goes that voters are disgusted because the mean old corrupt Democratic Establishment status quo wealthy elites distract voters with identity politics while doing evil neoliberal unregulated capitalist policies for oligarchs, billionaires, corporations, donors. Diehards believe Democrats are the true roadblock to progress, more dangerous than Trump, wouldn't know inequality if it sneaked up and bit them in the hinder.

And that the majority of Americans, including Republican voters suffering from the economic anxiety caused by Democrats, are secretly socialists yearning for populist economic revolution against the 1% (they just don't know they're socialists yet, but all you have to do is go around the country giving rallies explaining they're voting against their own economic interests and they'll stop it and vote for progressive populists who will take over the Democratic Party -- why Democrats are constantly bashed for bad messaging -- it's easy, just tell them (there are simple solutions for complex problems but Democrats are too dumb or corrupt to do them)).

Lots of recycled stuff from the '60s that sounds new and exciting to some, lots of diabolical fictional Democratic enemies to hate and make one feel superior and righteous in the populist tradition, your own language of redefined words and slogans that group insiders understand.

With elections often decided by few votes, the damage to the party is terrible and easily used to attack from all directions and isn't gong away. And it started for nothing except ego. I don't know why this isn't studied more. I find it fascinating. Why did anyone fall for it? Stunningly ignorant of the United States -- a Both Sides that is actually true.

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Democratic Socialism [View all] LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 OP
if ya can't succeed with your own beliefs, sink your claws into an available other..... nt msongs Oct 7 #1
So is mine. OldBaldy1701E Oct 7 #2
well I see no evidence that LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #3
Question... when was capitalism successfully regulated? (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Oct 7 #5
Capitalism is currently pretty well regulated in the Scandinavian countries Fiendish Thingy Oct 7 #9
Since I do not know the workings of European commerce, I will take your word on their successes. OldBaldy1701E Oct 8 #45
In Scandinavian countries, people come before profits. Fiendish Thingy Oct 8 #47
for 50 yrs in the U.S. LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #11
I don't know that one. OldBaldy1701E Oct 8 #46
EXACTLY my point! LyfeTimeDem Oct 8 #48
Capitalism is successful in generating wealth for the few iemanja Oct 7 #8
Sounds like what happens in the Socialist LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #12
I suggest you read Marx iemanja Oct 7 #13
what makes you think I don't know LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #14
Your post gave me that impression iemanja Oct 7 #15
then you are not reading my posts LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #16
Dont need to LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #18
Most folks don't know the difference between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism Fiendish Thingy Oct 7 #4
nope I do not LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #6
Thom Hartmann is a member of Democratic Underground. Emile Oct 8 #44
and? LyfeTimeDem Oct 8 #49
I'm not sure you know the meaning of "gaslighting" muriel_volestrangler Oct 8 #54
If the philosophy can't be digested to a sentence mr715 Oct 7 #35
Sounds like you're a libertarian. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 7 #36
Ew mr715 Oct 7 #37
Neoliberalism is a failed economic ideology Fiendish Thingy Oct 7 #38
Maybe I'm mislabeling myself mr715 Oct 8 #52
Democrats aren't neoliberals, it's a Both Sides insult, "an attempt to win an argument with an epithet." betsuni Oct 8 #43
is it a "mess"? LyfeTimeDem Oct 8 #50
And yet democracies can fall prey to demagogues mr715 Oct 8 #51
Adam Smith the father of market capitalism in his book multigraincracker Oct 7 #7
regulated.. but not eliminated... LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #19
According to Multigrain Economics. multigraincracker Oct 7 #25
where??? LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #26
Quiet a few. multigraincracker Oct 7 #27
so A* business is the proof? LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #32
Even a list of the top 100 worker owned businesses. multigraincracker Oct 7 #28
which is where? LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #33
Yeah, I don't like DSA is Cha Oct 7 #10
Very welcome LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #17
As Cha said, thanks for your OP, LyfeTimeDem Hekate Oct 7 #20
and its straight up LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #22
Well, tread lightly. Feelings are high these days. Hekate Oct 7 #30
obviously, my own feelings are high. LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #34
Well, capitalism IS an oppressive system thought crime Oct 7 #21
it IS to most Democrats LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #23
If you are a Social Democrat then you, too, want to temper Capitalism's oppression thought crime Oct 8 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #24
Is DSA taking over the Democratic Party? leftstreet Oct 7 #29
according to one of its LyfeTimeDem Oct 7 #31
I see people describing it as economic equality, no understanding of regulated or unregulated capitalism. betsuni Oct 8 #39
What is he talking about about? LyfeTimeDem Oct 8 #40
That's what I said. betsuni Oct 8 #41
Bernie Sanders doesn't get to make a LyfeTimeDem Oct 8 #42
Yes, that's the plan! The base of the party knows it's ridiculous, why the base is redefined betsuni Oct 8 #53
Mamdani is going to be a great NY City Mayor! Emile Oct 8 #55
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