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haele

(15,508 posts)
13. Extremely expensive and will take years to design.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:21 PM
Dec 2025

Last edited Tue Dec 23, 2025, 01:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Okay, Navy Combat System Chief (ret.) here - not a gunny, but worked with missile, guns, and radar systems, and more importantly, have worked in shipbuilding and modernization for decades.

1. Other Navy ships have large guns, and the hull tonnage to support those guns increases exponentially the larger or more guns you add. And as your guns have to rotate and be able to adjust altitude, again, the larger the gun, the heavier the moving parts and greater the power needed to fire those guns.
Not to mention deck clearance required just to aim and fire those guns.
2. So a ship with guns is going to have to be bigger, and go through rigorous modeling to look at ship handling and operational risks - not only deck safety and damage control issues, but power distribution, hull integrity, and other systems operations during firing, from just maneuvering and firing off one gun to a full flanking battery fire. "Asthetics " be damned, you need gunnery people involved, not some golf hack who builds Minecraft buildings, puts gold leaf on everything, and whose buddies think the Cyber Truck is something "Blade Runner" would drive (I'm sure Harlen Ellison and his character Deckard would have comments on that...)
And definitely not the type of complicated maritime engineering I'd trust any AI currently available to do without serious oversight and slide rule engineering level corrections.
3. Another point - what sorts of guns are they talking about? Conventional Kinetic, "Rail Guns", or Laser Beams?
I'm sorry, a rail gun that is more efficient than missiles or current guns, or high intensity lasers with enough power to take down incoming air targets or damage surface targets will need a nuclear power plant at least as large as the ones on a Carrier. Even if you use a plant the size of the average submarine, you're still looking at something that will need a lot of internal infrastructure to support. And very expensive to build.
Do you really, really want to rush building a nuclear power plant?

Anyway, my final comment here goes back to the first question that should have been asked:

Do we really need a battleship, in the current war arena where drones and missiles are taking out ships pretty easily from further away than a gun or "beam" type weapon would be effective? Would a battleship be useful in future naval combat, where potential targets are mobile and warfare is asymmetric across several different types of battlefields?
A missile or drone strikes me as being the more effective deployable weapon in terms of both tactical and cost. And a "Battleship" supports neither.

Ah well, they'll probably bring back or modify a Littoral Combat Ship, make it "yuge" (and ineffective), and call it a Battleship.

Easy enough to parade around, make a big boom-boom show on a Tiger Cruise, then shuffle off and hide in Pearl Harbor until the namesake life form shuffles off the mortal coil, then scrap.

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Think battleships are obsolete too, mostly good for bullying foreign nations by putting them offshore. I do think Silent Type Dec 2025 #1
When the ship pummels the shore with shells, will that be a Trump Golden Shower? TheBlackAdder Dec 2025 #31
They're not battleships, they're frigates. bluedigger Dec 2025 #2
You might be confusing the new proposed frigate with this one Kaleva Dec 2025 #5
Perhaps so, and I still believe none of it. bluedigger Dec 2025 #10
It's the DDGX program guided missile fleet upgrade NickB79 Dec 2025 #15
This will replace the proposed DDG(X) program Kaleva Dec 2025 #33
Trump's battleship is absurd and will never happen. Just comic relief. thought crime Dec 2025 #41
The FF(X) program looks promising Kaleva Dec 2025 #42
Yes, it does. thought crime Dec 2025 #43
He's the co-designer. He's said they will be "the biggest". muriel_volestrangler Dec 2025 #6
They're definitely not frigates jmowreader Dec 2025 #19
History is about to repeat itself. Girard442 Dec 2025 #3
battleships were made obsolete Dec. 7, 1941 nt msongs Dec 2025 #4
The Vasamuseet is one of the great places to visit here in Stockholm. 💛💙🇸🇪 Celerity Dec 2025 #28
What is being proposed is not really a battleship sarisataka Dec 2025 #7
35,000 tons for "Trump" Class vs. 57,000 tons for the WW2 Iowa Class Battleships. You are right. Battlecruiser artemisia1 Dec 2025 #11
And far short of the 70,000 tons Yamato and Musashi Japanese battleships, which were ACTUALLY Jack Valentino Dec 2025 #24
So basically this class is a guided missile cruiser, Emile Dec 2025 #8
Sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse 10 December 1941. When it was discovered that even battle ready artemisia1 Dec 2025 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2025 #12
Extremely expensive and will take years to design. haele Dec 2025 #13
Something else for the next reality-based President to have to cancel. Beartracks Dec 2025 #27
After billions are wasted. /nt artemisia1 Dec 2025 #38
Battleships were very useful in WWII SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2025 #14
These Ships Aren't About Battle! They Will Be For 2 Things: ColoringFool Dec 2025 #16
N. Korea built a battleship recently. It sank when they tried to launch it. n/t Jacson6 Dec 2025 #17
It was a destroyer that NK tried to launch sarisataka Dec 2025 #21
If they do build them then can we put him and his administration on them and send them to Caribbean waters? chowder66 Dec 2025 #18
The US is not capable of building these ships AverageOldGuy Dec 2025 #20
Make way for another G R I F T.... littlemissmartypants Dec 2025 #22
The ship being proposed is not a "battleship" in the classic sense relayerbob Dec 2025 #23
Trump's understanding of the term 'battleship' likely begins with 'a row-boat with shotguns' Jack Valentino Dec 2025 #25
Agreed. /nt artemisia1 Dec 2025 #35
It's ego and grift. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #26
I hope Trump lives long enough to see a aircraft oasis Dec 2025 #29
Yes! YepYep Dec 2025 #30
Trump Class in honor of Epstein. Turbineguy Dec 2025 #32
To be fair the tRump class will be AI controlled making it unsinkable yaesu Dec 2025 #34
...and it does not identify as being sunk. PCIntern Dec 2025 #36
He doesn't care if they are obsolete. It's all about him, not the ship. OLDMDDEM Dec 2025 #37
MaddowBlog-Trump names battleship class after himself, advancing his personalization crusade LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #39
get the net!!!! spanone Dec 2025 #40
New battleships named after Trump are 'bomb magnets' -- and will never sail: expert LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #44
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