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66. They're murdering people in the streets. And now, thanks to our own leaders shooting us

Thu Feb 5, 2026, 08:41 AM

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in the foot, the discussion is not about that, but rather the finer points of mask wearing.

No, it's not three dimensional chess. It's the lowest level of common sense not to concede anything before the negotiations even begin.

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Masked ICE agents might be okay, says Dem leadership [View all] mr715 Wednesday OP

Anytime I see Dems soften their demands I kacekwl Wednesday #1

Sadly, neither am I ...incredibly disappointed but not Phoenix61 Wednesday #6

And this is before any negotiations. They're just smacking their own selves in the ass. Scrivener7 Wednesday #51

The OP Left Out This Part.. WHY? Cha Yesterday #61

Yeah, I was looking for the "softening" but I couldn't find much. Sounds like they all want masks off. travelingthrulife Yesterday #69

They'll claim its a 'special circumstance' every time. sboatcar Yesterday #79

Yeah, again, we know the plot here. mr715 Yesterday #80

I don't think equivocating sends the right message. Do the republicans ever equivocate like that? Crunchy Frog Yesterday #90

Scream bloody murder, "No, you're wrong!" Biophilic Wednesday #2

There is no need for this military style look. pwb Wednesday #3

Sure, but these guys are signing up so they can finally use all the "Tactical" costumes AZJonnie Yesterday #62

You think they need jocks mr715 Yesterday #82

About right...start negotiations at the bare minimum Bettie Wednesday #4

Our leaders like their little club. mr715 Wednesday #16

No it's not! You're wrong! MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #5

I don't think they are. Did you read this part, Beagles.. Cha Wednesday #39

I must've missed it MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #44

Yes. The leaders said it, and the two of them had to politely walk it back. Why did they say it in the first place? Scrivener7 Yesterday #81

Which makes one wonder... mr715 Yesterday #84

Leadership's position Cirsium Yesterday #85

Shameful and unacceptable Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #7

The masks were a big ask. They are tempering it down. underpants Wednesday #8

If agents of the executive authority are unwilling to show their face mr715 Wednesday #10

Did you read this part?.. Details... Cha Wednesday #38

I saw that "80%" post, but gave it zero credibility. sl8 Wednesday #43

Isn't that the goal here ? kacekwl Wednesday #59

No shit. Iggo Yesterday #91

"...no masks, except in extraordinary and unusual circumstances." flvegan Wednesday #9

It wasn't an unreasonable ask. mr715 Wednesday #11

Agreed 👍 MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #21

Just gross capitulation NewHendoLib Wednesday #12

Disgusting and unacceptable. mr715 Wednesday #13

Dem Leadership is montanacowboy Wednesday #14

I want everyone to understand that Dems have 100% leverage right now on DHS Prairie Gates Wednesday #15

It isn't "not a good start". It is a betrayal. mr715 Wednesday #17

WTF????? bluestarone Wednesday #18

If ICE is indeed to be defined as "law enforcement", then they need to act like all other law enforcement. hamsterjill Wednesday #19

Agree 100%. mr715 Wednesday #20

ICE wears whatever they buy themselves Bettie Wednesday #25

You are exactly right! hamsterjill Wednesday #41

Principles, Morals, even common human decency is negotiable under Trump and Ping Tung Wednesday #22

Are they though? mr715 Wednesday #23

Quick, everyone react to the headline and don't bother reading the details! FascismIsDeath Wednesday #24

You don't think it is problematic mr715 Wednesday #26

I think we should be honest, open and spell out exactly what we want from the get go, with as many details as possible. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #27

I can only speak for myself. mr715 Wednesday #30

There are times when we all need to cover our face for some reason. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #36

They're murdering people in the streets. And now, thanks to our own leaders shooting us Scrivener7 Yesterday #66

You're one of those "watched too many movies" people I was talking about FascismIsDeath Yesterday #67

No. I'm one of those people who has actually conducted negotiations and who understands the Scrivener7 Yesterday #71

Labor leader? mr715 Yesterday #73

No. I've had two careers. In the first I was with a company that was doing a lot of acquisitions Scrivener7 Yesterday #76

Well despite all that, you obviously didn't learn about pre-emptive argumentation or proactive objection handling. FascismIsDeath 16 hrs ago #95

My honored friend, Scrivener, is a clear and original thinker. mr715 Yesterday #77

I am going to continue to dismiss it because of the concepts I mentioned to that person, that they are ignoring. FascismIsDeath 16 hrs ago #96

Because sometimes exceptions apply. Jedi Guy Wednesday #56

And why are we putting DeLauro and Murphy in a position that they have to Scrivener7 Yesterday #65

Distributive blame. mr715 Yesterday #75

It would depend on the exceptions EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #37

If the end result is, "follow the same protocols as regular ass police officers tend to do", its a huge difference. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #49

That's certainly one possibility. EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #68

Theres nothing congress can do about that other than impeach people. FascismIsDeath Yesterday #70

They can cut funding. mr715 Yesterday #74

If you actually read what I was responding to: FascismIsDeath 16 hrs ago #94

Negotiations haven't even started and they're backing down. If, after they sit at the table Scrivener7 Wednesday #52

Or we could just abolish ICE and then we don't have to worry about masks WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #28

We will be a better Country when we have Democrats controlling the WH and Congress. OAITW r.2.0 Wednesday #29

Also mr715 Wednesday #33

The devil is in the details, without which this should be a NO. Raven123 Wednesday #31

Only fund unmasked agents bucolic_frolic Wednesday #32

No guns/weapons if you need a mask. mr715 Wednesday #34

I Hope Everyone is Contacting Them Cha Wednesday #35

We are not cartels, drug lords or the sort. We're everyday citizens, children being terrorized. Deuxcents Wednesday #50

Nooooo! There is no reason for masked law enforcement other than to avoid accountability! surfered Wednesday #40

Not this shit again Blue Owl Wednesday #42

He's technically right, but, I'm not sure the 0.01% of situations that require a mask are worth mentioning. Oneironaut Wednesday #45

Milquetoasts will always waffle over tiny details as fascists steamroll ahead Mysterian Wednesday #46

I don't see republicans making any concessions before negotiations begin about ICE not murdering Americans. Scrivener7 Wednesday #53

No! They are *NOT* OK under any circumstances! Initech Wednesday #47

ICE's goal is to terrorize. Wearing masks helps accomplish this. IcyPeas Wednesday #48

What is WRONG with our party leadership? EnergizedLib Wednesday #54

Consultants and entitlement mr715 Wednesday #55

Fuck that noise . . . hatrack Wednesday #57

I don't think people appreciate how bad modern tech is gulliver Wednesday #58

A street gang is your worry? aocommunalpunch Yesterday #63

So you think they SHOULD be masked? That's what you're saying? And you're saying that, with a budget Scrivener7 Yesterday #64

Guess what? This could happen to any of us. pinkstarburst Yesterday #93

Nope. And disarm them. Hassler Yesterday #60

Ho sweet of them. Autumn Yesterday #72

What the actual fuck? yankee87 Yesterday #78

No. Iggo Yesterday #83

When is it ever okay? C_U_L8R Yesterday #86

NEVER! Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #87

Every time I hear about Dems caving CanonRay Yesterday #88

I ain't gonna click alert. mr715 Yesterday #89

We need new leadership pinkstarburst Yesterday #92

'Republican leaders' should start wearing masks THEMSELVES---- Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #97