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angrychair

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32. Come on

Thu Feb 5, 2026, 02:11 PM

23 hrs ago

Literally yesterday, at a professional wrestling match, historically a very pro Republican audience, they chanted "fuck ice" so long they had to pause the match.

The sentiment is there for real change weather so e believe that or not (by change I don't mean the normal police level of accountability which is no accountability at all)
. Democrats need to hold the line and demand real change or refuse to vote in any package that does not.
What is the harm in that?

Is your answer really to just do nothing at all and let Republicans have their way in all things?

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I'm So Disappointed with Schumer and Jeffries. They Don't Agree with Me 100%. [View all] MineralMan Yesterday OP

Well played. Permanut Yesterday #1

Absolutely! FalloutShelter Yesterday #14

What are we playing? Own the libs? Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #111

Please define critical discussion mcar 18 hrs ago #123

It's not this response. I imagined something closer to the discussion you and Cirsium had below. Ilikepurple 14 hrs ago #168

Excellent post. Orrex 1 hr ago #207

Post removed Post removed 16 hrs ago #164

I agree LetMyPeopleVote 11 hrs ago #180

abolish ICE is not gonna happen and it is a bad look. there are some things I would like to see happen msongs Yesterday #2

OK, did Shumer and Jeffries meet that minimum? Escurumbele 23 hrs ago #50

Seems to me they have mcar 18 hrs ago #124

Mahalo for Link, mcar... Turns out this is my fave Cha 13 hrs ago #177

Already bending on masks. we can do it 16 hrs ago #163

Nope mcar 15 hrs ago #166

Also stop the roving kidnap patrols sboatcar 22 hrs ago #71

Well done. sheshe2 Yesterday #3

They're hiding under the couch hoping GOP unpopularity will propel them to majority. Won't work. 617Blue Yesterday #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL Yesterday #12

People keep forgetting we have a MINORITY STATUS in Congress Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #5

You're right. If we don't understand that, MineralMan Yesterday #7

The solution is not to roll over hoping for a belly scratch.. NT Gore1FL Yesterday #15

Sorry that doesn't hold water LearnedHand 18 hrs ago #136

When did "Republicans grind Congress to a halt" when they were out of power? lapucelle 13 min ago #214

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #6

Great Idea. Now...How do you do that in reality? MineralMan Yesterday #8

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #9

You already said that. It's a great idea. MineralMan Yesterday #11

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #13

So you got nothing. beaglelover Yesterday #20

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #22

In two words. MineralMan Yesterday #24

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #26

I want a pony. tritsofme 22 hrs ago #64

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 22 hrs ago #66

I want TWO ponies! tritsofme 22 hrs ago #84

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 21 hrs ago #94

huh? Cirsium 19 hrs ago #117

Imagine thinking antifascism is wanting a pony! Prairie Gates 18 hrs ago #139

When I started hearing that "pony" nonsense Cirsium 18 hrs ago #142

The same supposed realists now asking how many mask wearing fascists should be allowed Prairie Gates 18 hrs ago #145

Naming reality clearly Cirsium 17 hrs ago #152

Abolish ICE is a performative slogan, not an actual policy demand. tritsofme 3 hrs ago #191

I agree - slogans aren't policy Cirsium 1 hr ago #198

+1 leftstreet 1 hr ago #205

What I'm objecting to is the imposition of impossible demands aimed at Democratic politicians tritsofme 1 hr ago #208

Thanks Cirsium 24 min ago #212

Not really. Just "pull the plug" basically. FoxNewsSucks 23 hrs ago #41

Well, then they can scream that Schumer/Jeffries "caved" mcar 18 hrs ago #126

My idea? JustAnotherGen 23 hrs ago #29

Use the Senate rules to stop ICE funding. Gore1FL Yesterday #19

Both of my Senators would vote that way. MineralMan Yesterday #23

No help from my Senators, unfortunately calguy 21 hrs ago #90

So using your voice to influence legislators is okay or not? Ilikepurple 20 hrs ago #103

Neither would. Josh Hawley and Eric Schmitt are into white nationalism. Gore1FL 17 hrs ago #149

+1 GOP poll numbers make them vulnerable leftstreet Yesterday #25

I'm going beyond that JustAnotherGen 23 hrs ago #30

That's the bottom line Prairie Gates 23 hrs ago #38

ICE has already been funded, it will continue to operate during a shutdown, and... W_HAMILTON 23 hrs ago #33

probably, but instead of rolling belly up, Dems should MAKE tRump do that. FoxNewsSucks 23 hrs ago #43

Who is "rolling belly up?" nt mcar 18 hrs ago #128

We do it when we have a trifect JustAnotherGen 22 hrs ago #56

That's a nice idea, but a Sinema/Manchin/Fetterman/LIEbermann du jour FoxNewsSucks 16 hrs ago #161

So, They have money now and if we try to stop them from getting more... Gore1FL 20 hrs ago #100

Vote against funding ICE for starters iemanja 22 hrs ago #63

It starts with advocacy Cirsium 22 hrs ago #77

In reality, the next president can just issue intheflow 21 hrs ago #91

Missed the point, again, I see. Gore1FL Yesterday #10

No, I did not. I missed nothing. MineralMan Yesterday #18

So the intention is to gaslight? Gore1FL 20 hrs ago #98

OK Cirsium 19 hrs ago #118

Is constantly bashing Schumer/Jeffries, mcar 18 hrs ago #129

"Bashing" vs accountability Cirsium 18 hrs ago #132

He did not miss the point. murielm99 22 hrs ago #79

I didn't know the point of DU was to cower in the corner. Gore1FL 20 hrs ago #101

I'm a purist when it comes to fascist gangs kidnapping and murdering people in the street Prairie Gates 18 hrs ago #141

If I ignored your bashing, murielm99 13 hrs ago #170

WTF? Gore1FL 13 hrs ago #173

This is true. mcar 1 hr ago #202

Sooooo when elected Dems want to grease the skids for FoxNewsSucks 16 hrs ago #162

Don't try to put words in my mouth murielm99 13 hrs ago #171

See the question marks? that's NOT FoxNewsSucks 13 hrs ago #174

I'm also sick of the "bashing" BS. It feels facile and counterproductive. Ilikepurple 12 hrs ago #178

Well said! beaglelover Yesterday #16

ICE hasn't been around that long, it was a fascist invention just like the debt ceiling, we can be the go along party or yaesu Yesterday #17

What sort of fighting are you talking about? MineralMan Yesterday #21

I would argue that there are "turning points" in between elections Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #115

This point would have been arguable decades ago FHRRK Yesterday #27

+1 leftstreet 22 hrs ago #78

It's very frustrating. Quiet Em 23 hrs ago #28

Dividing the Democratic Party is key. Targeting customized anti-Democratic attacks to fit. betsuni 23 hrs ago #36

Bingo! mcar 18 hrs ago #130

This thread MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #172

Nonsense Cirsium 23 hrs ago #31

"People can disagree with leadership and still be loyal Democrats." W_HAMILTON 23 hrs ago #34

I strongly question that Cirsium 23 hrs ago #40

As a progressive myself, i am cleaning up my own house here. W_HAMILTON 23 hrs ago #44

Out of line Cirsium 22 hrs ago #76

I'm not sure what cleaning house means other than resolving to silence progressive voices Ilikepurple 18 hrs ago #119

When people like myself were telling everyone the dangers of Trump back in 2016... W_HAMILTON 11 min ago #215

And again, everyone here did vote for those people. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #148

Why do you question that? MineralMan 23 hrs ago #46

Of course Cirsium 22 hrs ago #80

"No single raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood." W_HAMILTON 20 hrs ago #104

Democrat Party? MineralMan 20 hrs ago #97

Hardly Cirsium 20 hrs ago #107

Yes, supporting and voting for the Democratic candidate is a loyalty test here. W_HAMILTON 5 min ago #216

Agree--I'm so tired of being accused of not being a loyal Democrat if I disagree with leadership on occasion crimycarny 22 hrs ago #54

Not having majorities in the House and Senate 3825-87867 21 hrs ago #93

FYI SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #112

Yep Cirsium 3 hrs ago #186

You're telling Mineral Man to stop with the purity tests? mcar 18 hrs ago #131

Correct Cirsium 18 hrs ago #133

And those bashing Schumer/Jeffries aren't? mcar 18 hrs ago #134

I agree with that Cirsium 18 hrs ago #140

A. You invoked purity mcar 18 hrs ago #144

I know Cirsium 17 hrs ago #151

Thank you Cirsium! mcar 17 hrs ago #153

Thank you! Cirsium 17 hrs ago #154

Come on angrychair 23 hrs ago #32

My answer has to do with only one thing - Elections. MineralMan 23 hrs ago #35

Yes we need to vote D. We also need to inspire nonvoters to do so. we can do it 23 hrs ago #39

No one person will meet 100% of any persons requirements. 1WorldHope 23 hrs ago #52

"Plump bump" Seinan Sensei 22 hrs ago #59

The full title is plump bump on my rump😎 1WorldHope 22 hrs ago #68

And I don't think criticizing leadership on certain issues equates to wanting 100% crimycarny 16 hrs ago #160

"VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS! EVERY LAST F-ING TIME! NOTHING LESS WILL DO." I agree with that--- Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #167

Understood Cirsium 1 hr ago #199

If we do not win the elections, we do not have the majority MineralMan 1 hr ago #200

Agreed! Cirsium 1 hr ago #201

I do not know the factors that decide elections, frankly. MineralMan 1 hr ago #204

Good post Cirsium 14 min ago #213

Abolish ICE we can do it 23 hrs ago #37

Yeah, that Got Us So Far in 2016 and 2024 Cha 23 hrs ago #42

These 2 are not meeting the moment, end of story dsp3000 23 hrs ago #45

I see. And I should be listening to you because... MineralMan 23 hrs ago #47

The Author Didn't Say You Should. It's A Declarative, Not An Imperative. ColoringFool 20 hrs ago #106

You made a post. The poster replied. How is their action more deserving of a snide dismissal than yours is? Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #135

Not even 95%! hay rick 23 hrs ago #48

Just so. MineralMan 23 hrs ago #49

Exactly. betsuni 22 hrs ago #67

legislators Cirsium 3 hrs ago #187

Different constituents will have different messages. hay rick 2 hrs ago #192

Maybe Cirsium 2 hrs ago #195

This message was self-deleted by its author hadEnuf 23 hrs ago #51

The only way to avoid disappointment is to lack principles. Renew Deal 23 hrs ago #53

Politicians doing politics, governing. No! True saviors MAKE evil disappear with magic FIGHTING to MEET THE MOMENT. betsuni 22 hrs ago #55

Some of the posts on here are damn nasty. MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #175

What I want to see. . . . BigDemVoter 22 hrs ago #57

The Trick Is to Get That Majority in Congress. MineralMan 22 hrs ago #69

Vote as one, yes Cirsium 3 hrs ago #189

THANK YOU! MorbidButterflyTat 22 hrs ago #58

Most of us care about standing up to fascism iemanja 22 hrs ago #60

Um. If 24 Republicans voted against a bill that only 7 Democrats voted for, there is no way it passed. Wiz Imp 22 hrs ago #73

You're right iemanja 20 hrs ago #99

Yeah. Don't vote. That'll show them. CountMyVote4Reality 22 hrs ago #61

Who is saying don't vote? we can do it 15 hrs ago #165

No one Cirsium 3 hrs ago #190

Vote in the Democratic primaries and vote for Progressive Democratic candidates! Clouds Passing 22 hrs ago #62

Please point to ANYONE saying they won't vote aocommunalpunch 22 hrs ago #65

Anyone saying they won't vote is not here on DU. MineralMan 22 hrs ago #70

Talk to them, then Cirsium 2 hrs ago #197

Insisting on political purity is what defeats Democratic candidates . love_katz 22 hrs ago #72

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush 22 hrs ago #74

Recommended. H2O Man 22 hrs ago #75

Agree completely. cksmithy 22 hrs ago #81

Elections have consequences. love_katz 22 hrs ago #82

. Zelda_Orchid 22 hrs ago #83

I don't berate some for being upset, especially the current situation with ICE. mdbl 22 hrs ago #85

We're the minority party. Where's the advantage? QueerDuck 20 hrs ago #95

Did you miss the part where the Senate can't pass the ICE portion without Democrats? mdbl 19 hrs ago #113

Everyone has reasons for supporting or not supporting the politicians that are elected to represent them. Nanjeanne 22 hrs ago #86

This is an awesome post. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #137

Thanks. It's just how I feel. Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #159

here's my deal quakerboy 21 hrs ago #87

It's more about people being tired of those who think performative resistance Rob H. 21 hrs ago #88

I am reminded of a line in Amiri Baraka's poem... NNadir 21 hrs ago #89

They were never ours Cirsium 2 hrs ago #194

With respect to your last line, it's true for me. NNadir 1 hr ago #210

Yes! You speak for me! They should just IGNORE that we're the MINORITY party... QueerDuck 21 hrs ago #92

I think that may be the biggest straw man I've seen all week. Iggo 20 hrs ago #96

Well, ya know, shit's not going to stir itself. Someone's gotta do it. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #138

I agree. BannonsLiver 20 hrs ago #102

How Is Agreeing To Masks Making "No Masks" "Possible To.... ColoringFool 20 hrs ago #105

Bruce Springsteen - STREETS OF MINNEAPOLIS Emile 20 hrs ago #108

Reality is sometimes hard to accept Progressive dog 20 hrs ago #109

I Would Like A Positive Example Of When Compromise With Republicans Has Helped Achieve... ColoringFool 20 hrs ago #110

A straw man. Nice. themaguffin 19 hrs ago #114

As others have correctly pointed out, this is a straw man fallacy. De-rec. nt Celerity 19 hrs ago #116

How so? It seems we'll reasoned and right on target. QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #121

this part: Celerity 17 hrs ago #156

This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck 17 hrs ago #157

It's a truthful parody of the ridiculous complains and... QueerDuck 17 hrs ago #158

But is it a strawman? MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #176

It's neither. Only those who felt insecure or threatened when forced to look in the mirror... QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #181

Parody is always risky in a public discussion. MineralMan 30 min ago #211

Waiting for permission from the future Cirsium 18 hrs ago #120

Why aren't they impeaching Trump RIGHT NOW!!11 mcar 18 hrs ago #122

Apparently they are lazy and too old... QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #143

Spineless, Turd Wayers mcar 18 hrs ago #146

OMG! 🤣😂🤣😂😜 QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #182

I don't agree with Schumer and Jeffries 100% of the time SocialDemocrat61 18 hrs ago #125

RESCIND bdamomma 18 hrs ago #127

🪄🧙‍♂️🔮🧚‍♀️ It's so easy. Just do it. QueerDuck 17 hrs ago #147

I understand that the Democratic leadership markodochartaigh 17 hrs ago #150

I am regularly disappointed in both of those guys. MontanaMama 17 hrs ago #155

I'm still at a loss who this is directed at as obviously almost all of us vote Democrat Ilikepurple 14 hrs ago #169

Why post a divisive and insulting OP? PufPuf23 12 hrs ago #179

Yes, you're right. They should keep doing exactly what they're doing. Orrex 6 hrs ago #183

Thank you, Orrex. hamsterjill 5 hrs ago #184

Oh, my God. I love this. Scrivener7 4 hrs ago #185

I edited my reply to Orrex hamsterjill 2 hrs ago #193

Great post! Deserves a valentine heart 💝 Emile 3 hrs ago #188

K & R Emile 2 hrs ago #196

+1 leftstreet 1 hr ago #206

The piling on by some is embarrassing. I'm hoping it's mostly trolls or bots Greybnk48 1 hr ago #203

I don't like it when they support Trump n GOP NAZIs Kid Berwyn 1 hr ago #209