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Cirsium

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Thu Feb 5, 2026, 06:37 PM

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Is this you, then, building solidarity? Seems pretty provocative and divisive to me.

Or perhaps "solidarity" for you means "agree with me or I'll accuse you of being disloyal?"

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I'm So Disappointed with Schumer and Jeffries. They Don't Agree with Me 100%. [View all] MineralMan Yesterday OP

Well played. Permanut Yesterday #1

Absolutely! FalloutShelter Yesterday #14

What are we playing? Own the libs? Ilikepurple 20 hrs ago #111

Please define critical discussion mcar 19 hrs ago #123

It's not this response. I imagined something closer to the discussion you and Cirsium had below. Ilikepurple 15 hrs ago #168

Excellent post. Orrex 2 hrs ago #207

Post removed Post removed 17 hrs ago #164

I agree LetMyPeopleVote 12 hrs ago #180

abolish ICE is not gonna happen and it is a bad look. there are some things I would like to see happen msongs Yesterday #2

OK, did Shumer and Jeffries meet that minimum? Escurumbele Yesterday #50

Seems to me they have mcar 19 hrs ago #124

Mahalo for Link, mcar... Turns out this is my fave Cha 14 hrs ago #177

Already bending on masks. we can do it 17 hrs ago #163

Nope mcar 16 hrs ago #166

Also stop the roving kidnap patrols sboatcar 23 hrs ago #71

Well done. sheshe2 Yesterday #3

They're hiding under the couch hoping GOP unpopularity will propel them to majority. Won't work. 617Blue Yesterday #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL Yesterday #12

People keep forgetting we have a MINORITY STATUS in Congress Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #5

You're right. If we don't understand that, MineralMan Yesterday #7

The solution is not to roll over hoping for a belly scratch.. NT Gore1FL Yesterday #15

Sorry that doesn't hold water LearnedHand 19 hrs ago #136

When did "Republicans grind Congress to a halt" when they were out of power? lapucelle 1 hr ago #214

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #6

Great Idea. Now...How do you do that in reality? MineralMan Yesterday #8

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #9

You already said that. It's a great idea. MineralMan Yesterday #11

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #13

So you got nothing. beaglelover Yesterday #20

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #22

In two words. MineralMan Yesterday #24

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Yesterday #26

I want a pony. tritsofme 23 hrs ago #64

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 23 hrs ago #66

I want TWO ponies! tritsofme 23 hrs ago #84

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 22 hrs ago #94

huh? Cirsium 20 hrs ago #117

Imagine thinking antifascism is wanting a pony! Prairie Gates 19 hrs ago #139

When I started hearing that "pony" nonsense Cirsium 19 hrs ago #142

The same supposed realists now asking how many mask wearing fascists should be allowed Prairie Gates 19 hrs ago #145

Naming reality clearly Cirsium 18 hrs ago #152

Abolish ICE is a performative slogan, not an actual policy demand. tritsofme 4 hrs ago #191

I agree - slogans aren't policy Cirsium 2 hrs ago #198

+1 leftstreet 2 hrs ago #205

What I'm objecting to is the imposition of impossible demands aimed at Democratic politicians tritsofme 2 hrs ago #208

Thanks Cirsium 1 hr ago #212

Not really. Just "pull the plug" basically. FoxNewsSucks Yesterday #41

Well, then they can scream that Schumer/Jeffries "caved" mcar 19 hrs ago #126

My idea? JustAnotherGen Yesterday #29

Use the Senate rules to stop ICE funding. Gore1FL Yesterday #19

Both of my Senators would vote that way. MineralMan Yesterday #23

No help from my Senators, unfortunately calguy 22 hrs ago #90

So using your voice to influence legislators is okay or not? Ilikepurple 21 hrs ago #103

Neither would. Josh Hawley and Eric Schmitt are into white nationalism. Gore1FL 18 hrs ago #149

+1 GOP poll numbers make them vulnerable leftstreet Yesterday #25

I'm going beyond that JustAnotherGen Yesterday #30

That's the bottom line Prairie Gates Yesterday #38

ICE has already been funded, it will continue to operate during a shutdown, and... W_HAMILTON Yesterday #33

probably, but instead of rolling belly up, Dems should MAKE tRump do that. FoxNewsSucks Yesterday #43

Who is "rolling belly up?" nt mcar 19 hrs ago #128

We do it when we have a trifect JustAnotherGen 23 hrs ago #56

That's a nice idea, but a Sinema/Manchin/Fetterman/LIEbermann du jour FoxNewsSucks 17 hrs ago #161

So, They have money now and if we try to stop them from getting more... Gore1FL 21 hrs ago #100

Vote against funding ICE for starters iemanja 23 hrs ago #63

It starts with advocacy Cirsium 23 hrs ago #77

In reality, the next president can just issue intheflow 22 hrs ago #91

Missed the point, again, I see. Gore1FL Yesterday #10

No, I did not. I missed nothing. MineralMan Yesterday #18

So the intention is to gaslight? Gore1FL 21 hrs ago #98

OK Cirsium 20 hrs ago #118

Is constantly bashing Schumer/Jeffries, mcar 19 hrs ago #129

"Bashing" vs accountability Cirsium 19 hrs ago #132

He did not miss the point. murielm99 23 hrs ago #79

I didn't know the point of DU was to cower in the corner. Gore1FL 21 hrs ago #101

I'm a purist when it comes to fascist gangs kidnapping and murdering people in the street Prairie Gates 19 hrs ago #141

If I ignored your bashing, murielm99 14 hrs ago #170

WTF? Gore1FL 14 hrs ago #173

This is true. mcar 2 hrs ago #202

Sooooo when elected Dems want to grease the skids for FoxNewsSucks 17 hrs ago #162

Don't try to put words in my mouth murielm99 14 hrs ago #171

See the question marks? that's NOT FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #174

I'm also sick of the "bashing" BS. It feels facile and counterproductive. Ilikepurple 13 hrs ago #178

Well said! beaglelover Yesterday #16

ICE hasn't been around that long, it was a fascist invention just like the debt ceiling, we can be the go along party or yaesu Yesterday #17

What sort of fighting are you talking about? MineralMan Yesterday #21

I would argue that there are "turning points" in between elections Ilikepurple 20 hrs ago #115

This point would have been arguable decades ago FHRRK Yesterday #27

+1 leftstreet 23 hrs ago #78

It's very frustrating. Quiet Em Yesterday #28

Dividing the Democratic Party is key. Targeting customized anti-Democratic attacks to fit. betsuni Yesterday #36

Bingo! mcar 19 hrs ago #130

This thread MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #172

Nonsense Cirsium Yesterday #31

"People can disagree with leadership and still be loyal Democrats." W_HAMILTON Yesterday #34

I strongly question that Cirsium Yesterday #40

As a progressive myself, i am cleaning up my own house here. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #44

Out of line Cirsium 23 hrs ago #76

I'm not sure what cleaning house means other than resolving to silence progressive voices Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #119

When people like myself were telling everyone the dangers of Trump back in 2016... W_HAMILTON 1 hr ago #215

And again, everyone here did vote for those people. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #148

Why do you question that? MineralMan Yesterday #46

Of course Cirsium 23 hrs ago #80

"No single raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood." W_HAMILTON 21 hrs ago #104

Democrat Party? MineralMan 21 hrs ago #97

Hardly Cirsium 21 hrs ago #107

Yes, supporting and voting for the Democratic candidate is a loyalty test here. W_HAMILTON 1 hr ago #216

There we go Cirsium 42 min ago #217

Agree--I'm so tired of being accused of not being a loyal Democrat if I disagree with leadership on occasion crimycarny 23 hrs ago #54

Not having majorities in the House and Senate 3825-87867 22 hrs ago #93

FYI SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #112

Yep Cirsium 4 hrs ago #186

You're telling Mineral Man to stop with the purity tests? mcar 19 hrs ago #131

Correct Cirsium 19 hrs ago #133

And those bashing Schumer/Jeffries aren't? mcar 19 hrs ago #134

I agree with that Cirsium 19 hrs ago #140

A. You invoked purity mcar 19 hrs ago #144

I know Cirsium 18 hrs ago #151

Thank you Cirsium! mcar 18 hrs ago #153

Thank you! Cirsium 18 hrs ago #154

Come on angrychair Yesterday #32

My answer has to do with only one thing - Elections. MineralMan Yesterday #35

Yes we need to vote D. We also need to inspire nonvoters to do so. we can do it Yesterday #39

No one person will meet 100% of any persons requirements. 1WorldHope Yesterday #52

"Plump bump" Seinan Sensei 23 hrs ago #59

The full title is plump bump on my rump😎 1WorldHope 23 hrs ago #68

And I don't think criticizing leadership on certain issues equates to wanting 100% crimycarny 17 hrs ago #160

"VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS! EVERY LAST F-ING TIME! NOTHING LESS WILL DO." I agree with that--- Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #167

Understood Cirsium 2 hrs ago #199

If we do not win the elections, we do not have the majority MineralMan 2 hrs ago #200

Agreed! Cirsium 2 hrs ago #201

I do not know the factors that decide elections, frankly. MineralMan 2 hrs ago #204

Good post Cirsium 1 hr ago #213

Abolish ICE we can do it Yesterday #37

Yeah, that Got Us So Far in 2016 and 2024 Cha Yesterday #42

These 2 are not meeting the moment, end of story dsp3000 Yesterday #45

I see. And I should be listening to you because... MineralMan Yesterday #47

The Author Didn't Say You Should. It's A Declarative, Not An Imperative. ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #106

You made a post. The poster replied. How is their action more deserving of a snide dismissal than yours is? Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #135

Not even 95%! hay rick Yesterday #48

Just so. MineralMan Yesterday #49

Exactly. betsuni 23 hrs ago #67

legislators Cirsium 4 hrs ago #187

Different constituents will have different messages. hay rick 3 hrs ago #192

Maybe Cirsium 3 hrs ago #195

This message was self-deleted by its author hadEnuf Yesterday #51

The only way to avoid disappointment is to lack principles. Renew Deal Yesterday #53

Politicians doing politics, governing. No! True saviors MAKE evil disappear with magic FIGHTING to MEET THE MOMENT. betsuni 23 hrs ago #55

Some of the posts on here are damn nasty. MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #175

What I want to see. . . . BigDemVoter 23 hrs ago #57

The Trick Is to Get That Majority in Congress. MineralMan 23 hrs ago #69

Vote as one, yes Cirsium 4 hrs ago #189

THANK YOU! MorbidButterflyTat 23 hrs ago #58

Most of us care about standing up to fascism iemanja 23 hrs ago #60

Um. If 24 Republicans voted against a bill that only 7 Democrats voted for, there is no way it passed. Wiz Imp 23 hrs ago #73

You're right iemanja 21 hrs ago #99

Yeah. Don't vote. That'll show them. CountMyVote4Reality 23 hrs ago #61

Who is saying don't vote? we can do it 16 hrs ago #165

No one Cirsium 4 hrs ago #190

Vote in the Democratic primaries and vote for Progressive Democratic candidates! Clouds Passing 23 hrs ago #62

Please point to ANYONE saying they won't vote aocommunalpunch 23 hrs ago #65

Anyone saying they won't vote is not here on DU. MineralMan 23 hrs ago #70

Talk to them, then Cirsium 3 hrs ago #197

Insisting on political purity is what defeats Democratic candidates . love_katz 23 hrs ago #72

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush 23 hrs ago #74

Recommended. H2O Man 23 hrs ago #75

Agree completely. cksmithy 23 hrs ago #81

Elections have consequences. love_katz 23 hrs ago #82

. Zelda_Orchid 23 hrs ago #83

I don't berate some for being upset, especially the current situation with ICE. mdbl 23 hrs ago #85

We're the minority party. Where's the advantage? QueerDuck 21 hrs ago #95

Did you miss the part where the Senate can't pass the ICE portion without Democrats? mdbl 20 hrs ago #113

Everyone has reasons for supporting or not supporting the politicians that are elected to represent them. Nanjeanne 23 hrs ago #86

This is an awesome post. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #137

Thanks. It's just how I feel. Nanjeanne 18 hrs ago #159

here's my deal quakerboy 22 hrs ago #87

It's more about people being tired of those who think performative resistance Rob H. 22 hrs ago #88

I am reminded of a line in Amiri Baraka's poem... NNadir 22 hrs ago #89

They were never ours Cirsium 3 hrs ago #194

With respect to your last line, it's true for me. NNadir 2 hrs ago #210

Yes! You speak for me! They should just IGNORE that we're the MINORITY party... QueerDuck 22 hrs ago #92

I think that may be the biggest straw man I've seen all week. Iggo 21 hrs ago #96

Well, ya know, shit's not going to stir itself. Someone's gotta do it. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #138

I agree. BannonsLiver 21 hrs ago #102

How Is Agreeing To Masks Making "No Masks" "Possible To.... ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #105

Bruce Springsteen - STREETS OF MINNEAPOLIS Emile 21 hrs ago #108

Reality is sometimes hard to accept Progressive dog 21 hrs ago #109

I Would Like A Positive Example Of When Compromise With Republicans Has Helped Achieve... ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #110

A straw man. Nice. themaguffin 20 hrs ago #114

As others have correctly pointed out, this is a straw man fallacy. De-rec. nt Celerity 20 hrs ago #116

How so? It seems we'll reasoned and right on target. QueerDuck 19 hrs ago #121

this part: Celerity 18 hrs ago #156

This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #157

It's a truthful parody of the ridiculous complains and... QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #158

But is it a strawman? MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #176

It's neither. Only those who felt insecure or threatened when forced to look in the mirror... QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #181

Parody is always risky in a public discussion. MineralMan 1 hr ago #211

Waiting for permission from the future Cirsium 19 hrs ago #120

Why aren't they impeaching Trump RIGHT NOW!!11 mcar 19 hrs ago #122

Apparently they are lazy and too old... QueerDuck 19 hrs ago #143

Spineless, Turd Wayers mcar 19 hrs ago #146

OMG! 🤣😂🤣😂😜 QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #182

I don't agree with Schumer and Jeffries 100% of the time SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #125

RESCIND bdamomma 19 hrs ago #127

🪄🧙‍♂️🔮🧚‍♀️ It's so easy. Just do it. QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #147

I understand that the Democratic leadership markodochartaigh 18 hrs ago #150

I am regularly disappointed in both of those guys. MontanaMama 18 hrs ago #155

I'm still at a loss who this is directed at as obviously almost all of us vote Democrat Ilikepurple 15 hrs ago #169

Why post a divisive and insulting OP? PufPuf23 13 hrs ago #179

Yes, you're right. They should keep doing exactly what they're doing. Orrex 7 hrs ago #183

Thank you, Orrex. hamsterjill 6 hrs ago #184

Oh, my God. I love this. Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #185

I edited my reply to Orrex hamsterjill 3 hrs ago #193

Great post! Deserves a valentine heart 💝 Emile 4 hrs ago #188

K & R Emile 3 hrs ago #196

+1 leftstreet 2 hrs ago #206

The piling on by some is embarrassing. I'm hoping it's mostly trolls or bots Greybnk48 2 hrs ago #203

No trolls or bots Cirsium 37 min ago #218

My hope is that you are right (about this sort of bashing and disagreement being healthy discourse Greybnk48 19 min ago #219

I don't like it when they support Trump n GOP NAZIs Kid Berwyn 2 hrs ago #209