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Cirsium

(4,032 posts)
42. Thanks
Thu Feb 5, 2026, 08:13 PM
Feb 5

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I don’t disagree with your arithmetic, or with the description of what is procedurally achievable in this Congress. Where I disagree is with the premise that legitimacy should be granted or reinforced simply because an institution is currently unavoidable. Some lines are not drawn because they can be enacted today, but because failing to draw them normalizes what should never be treated as acceptable. Reform can save lives in the short term, yes — but it can also entrench structures that are abusive by design and make deeper change harder, not easier, over time.

Rustin was right that movements need concrete demands, but he was writing in a period when institutions were expanding rights, not contracting them, and when legitimacy itself was not the central question. In moments like this, opposition is not a substitute for governing — it is a necessary precursor to any governing worth defending. I’m not confusing agitation with action; I’m arguing that without moral boundary-setting, action collapses into management of harm. What we choose to legitimize now shapes what becomes thinkable later, regardless of what passes this session.

History is full of moments where "what was achievable" preserved institutions that later proved catastrophic. The question isn’t whether reforms might save some lives now — it’s whether they entrench a structure that will take many more later. That’s the risk I’m naming.

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You have details on that? MineralMan Feb 5 #1
Gone from "no masks" to "no masks except when..." mr715 Feb 5 #10
No mention of the rest of their positions, eh? MineralMan Feb 5 #11
Posted it right there in the title. Did you miss it? mr715 Feb 5 #12
Of Course, It's Not a "Full Retreat" Why So Negative on our Dems? Cha Feb 5 #35
House leadership Cirsium Feb 5 #13
How is it caving if it wasn't on the table? leftstreet Feb 5 #2
They originally said "No masks" now Cattledog Feb 5 #3
Oh. I never saw that in their statements n/t leftstreet Feb 5 #6
leadership's position now Cirsium Feb 5 #14
Sen. Schumer said today bigtree Feb 5 #28
That isn't the issue Cirsium Feb 5 #36
no, what you're saying isn't the issue here bigtree Feb 5 #39
Thanks Cirsium Feb 5 #42
Yet another anti-Schumer & Jefferies thread MorbidButterflyTat Feb 5 #4
Schumer and Jeffries are fine politicians leftstreet Feb 5 #8
Capriciousness? Cirsium Feb 5 #15
Anti-Schumer & Jeffries Knee-jerk Syndrome. betsuni Feb 5 #16
We can't seem to win Just_Vote_Dem Feb 5 #17
Again and again, Democrats do what people say they want. Then it's not what they want. betsuni Feb 5 #20
Keep normalizing the indefensible mr715 Feb 5 #18
Keep what, now? betsuni Feb 5 #22
poster looks to be advocating 'defending the indefensible' bigtree Feb 5 #25
Quick question... EarlG Feb 5 #31
They should be required to identify themselves. mr715 Feb 5 #32
From this, my understanding is EarlG Feb 5 #33
That I am not Schumer or Jeffries mr715 Feb 5 #34
Got it EarlG Feb 5 #37
This is a perfect articulation of my thoughts on this. mr715 Feb 5 #38
Thanks EarlG Feb 5 #43
I Appreciate your thoughts on Clarifying What Huff Past Cha Feb 5 #40
haven't they done this? bigtree Feb 5 #44
I think everything you say has value EarlG Feb 5 #46
betsuni Isn't "normalizing" Anything, nt Cha Feb 6 #47
The correct context is: Masks. Ice wearing masks. Duncan Grant Feb 5 #21
... orangecrush Feb 5 #5
LINK? justaprogressive Feb 5 #7
Quick search, but from yesterday. Maybe something changed. mr715 Feb 5 #9
really poor journalism in that Huffpo clickbait bigtree Feb 5 #26
They're insisting on changing how ICE dresses Bobstandard Feb 5 #19
You do realize there are circumstances in which other groups wear masks? EdmondDantes_ Feb 5 #23
ICE conducts racist "hunts". They're not police. Duncan Grant Feb 5 #24
Post removed Post removed Feb 5 #27
How is anyone surprised? AltairIV Feb 5 #29
you're drafting all of that derision over sophistry bigtree Feb 5 #30
Cattledog, What are your thoughts on what Sen Chris Murphy has to say.? Cha Feb 5 #41
They have to absolutely be strong on this one. It's insane that they wear masks, among many other seriously big issues themaguffin Feb 5 #45
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