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mcar

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123. Please define critical discussion

Thu Feb 5, 2026, 07:32 PM

Feb 5

Most of the Schumer/Jeffries bashing here is along the lines of "weak, spineless, Turd Way, blah, blah."

Oh, and Jeffries mentioned God in a tweet last year so there we go.

I'd love to see actual critical discussion.

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I'm So Disappointed with Schumer and Jeffries. They Don't Agree with Me 100%. [View all] MineralMan Feb 5 OP

Well played. Permanut Feb 5 #1

Absolutely! FalloutShelter Feb 5 #14

What are we playing? Own the libs? Ilikepurple Feb 5 #111

Please define critical discussion mcar Feb 5 #123

It's not this response. I imagined something closer to the discussion you and Cirsium had below. Ilikepurple Feb 5 #168

Excellent post. Orrex Feb 6 #207

Post removed Post removed Feb 5 #164

I agree LetMyPeopleVote Feb 6 #180

abolish ICE is not gonna happen and it is a bad look. there are some things I would like to see happen msongs Feb 5 #2

OK, did Shumer and Jeffries meet that minimum? Escurumbele Feb 5 #50

Seems to me they have mcar Feb 5 #124

Mahalo for Link, mcar... Turns out this is my fave Cha Feb 6 #177

Already bending on masks. we can do it Feb 5 #163

Nope mcar Feb 5 #166

Also stop the roving kidnap patrols sboatcar Feb 5 #71

Well done. sheshe2 Feb 5 #3

They're hiding under the couch hoping GOP unpopularity will propel them to majority. Won't work. 617Blue Feb 5 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL Feb 5 #12

People keep forgetting we have a MINORITY STATUS in Congress Just_Vote_Dem Feb 5 #5

You're right. If we don't understand that, MineralMan Feb 5 #7

The solution is not to roll over hoping for a belly scratch.. NT Gore1FL Feb 5 #15

Sorry that doesn't hold water LearnedHand Feb 5 #136

When did "Republicans grind Congress to a halt" when they were out of power? lapucelle Feb 6 #214

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #6

Great Idea. Now...How do you do that in reality? MineralMan Feb 5 #8

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #9

You already said that. It's a great idea. MineralMan Feb 5 #11

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #13

So you got nothing. beaglelover Feb 5 #20

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #22

In two words. MineralMan Feb 5 #24

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #26

I want a pony. tritsofme Feb 5 #64

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #66

I want TWO ponies! tritsofme Feb 5 #84

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 5 #94

huh? Cirsium Feb 5 #117

Imagine thinking antifascism is wanting a pony! Prairie Gates Feb 5 #139

When I started hearing that "pony" nonsense Cirsium Feb 5 #142

The same supposed realists now asking how many mask wearing fascists should be allowed Prairie Gates Feb 5 #145

Naming reality clearly Cirsium Feb 5 #152

Abolish ICE is a performative slogan, not an actual policy demand. tritsofme Feb 6 #191

I agree - slogans aren't policy Cirsium Feb 6 #198

+1 leftstreet Feb 6 #205

What I'm objecting to is the imposition of impossible demands aimed at Democratic politicians tritsofme Feb 6 #208

Thanks Cirsium Feb 6 #212

I'm not disagreeing with that in theory. I'm saying that people who typically use this rhetoric behave as if it's tritsofme Feb 7 #221

Yes, indeed Cirsium Feb 7 #222

Not really. Just "pull the plug" basically. FoxNewsSucks Feb 5 #41

Well, then they can scream that Schumer/Jeffries "caved" mcar Feb 5 #126

My idea? JustAnotherGen Feb 5 #29

Use the Senate rules to stop ICE funding. Gore1FL Feb 5 #19

Both of my Senators would vote that way. MineralMan Feb 5 #23

No help from my Senators, unfortunately calguy Feb 5 #90

So using your voice to influence legislators is okay or not? Ilikepurple Feb 5 #103

Neither would. Josh Hawley and Eric Schmitt are into white nationalism. Gore1FL Feb 5 #149

+1 GOP poll numbers make them vulnerable leftstreet Feb 5 #25

I'm going beyond that JustAnotherGen Feb 5 #30

That's the bottom line Prairie Gates Feb 5 #38

ICE has already been funded, it will continue to operate during a shutdown, and... W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #33

probably, but instead of rolling belly up, Dems should MAKE tRump do that. FoxNewsSucks Feb 5 #43

Who is "rolling belly up?" nt mcar Feb 5 #128

We do it when we have a trifect JustAnotherGen Feb 5 #56

That's a nice idea, but a Sinema/Manchin/Fetterman/LIEbermann du jour FoxNewsSucks Feb 5 #161

So, They have money now and if we try to stop them from getting more... Gore1FL Feb 5 #100

Vote against funding ICE for starters iemanja Feb 5 #63

It starts with advocacy Cirsium Feb 5 #77

In reality, the next president can just issue intheflow Feb 5 #91

Missed the point, again, I see. Gore1FL Feb 5 #10

No, I did not. I missed nothing. MineralMan Feb 5 #18

So the intention is to gaslight? Gore1FL Feb 5 #98

OK Cirsium Feb 5 #118

Is constantly bashing Schumer/Jeffries, mcar Feb 5 #129

"Bashing" vs accountability Cirsium Feb 5 #132

He did not miss the point. murielm99 Feb 5 #79

I didn't know the point of DU was to cower in the corner. Gore1FL Feb 5 #101

I'm a purist when it comes to fascist gangs kidnapping and murdering people in the street Prairie Gates Feb 5 #141

If I ignored your bashing, murielm99 Feb 6 #170

WTF? Gore1FL Feb 6 #173

This is true. mcar Feb 6 #202

Sooooo when elected Dems want to grease the skids for FoxNewsSucks Feb 5 #162

Don't try to put words in my mouth murielm99 Feb 6 #171

See the question marks? that's NOT FoxNewsSucks Feb 6 #174

I'm also sick of the "bashing" BS. It feels facile and counterproductive. Ilikepurple Feb 6 #178

Well said! beaglelover Feb 5 #16

ICE hasn't been around that long, it was a fascist invention just like the debt ceiling, we can be the go along party or yaesu Feb 5 #17

What sort of fighting are you talking about? MineralMan Feb 5 #21

I would argue that there are "turning points" in between elections Ilikepurple Feb 5 #115

This point would have been arguable decades ago FHRRK Feb 5 #27

+1 leftstreet Feb 5 #78

It's very frustrating. Quiet Em Feb 5 #28

Dividing the Democratic Party is key. Targeting customized anti-Democratic attacks to fit. betsuni Feb 5 #36

Bingo! mcar Feb 5 #130

This thread MorbidButterflyTat Feb 6 #172

Nonsense Cirsium Feb 5 #31

"People can disagree with leadership and still be loyal Democrats." W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #34

I strongly question that Cirsium Feb 5 #40

As a progressive myself, i am cleaning up my own house here. W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #44

Out of line Cirsium Feb 5 #76

I'm not sure what cleaning house means other than resolving to silence progressive voices Ilikepurple Feb 5 #119

When people like myself were telling everyone the dangers of Trump back in 2016... W_HAMILTON Feb 6 #215

And again, everyone here did vote for those people. Scrivener7 Feb 5 #148

Why do you question that? MineralMan Feb 5 #46

Of course Cirsium Feb 5 #80

"No single raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood." W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #104

Democrat Party? MineralMan Feb 5 #97

Hardly Cirsium Feb 5 #107

Yes, supporting and voting for the Democratic candidate is a loyalty test here. W_HAMILTON Feb 6 #216

There we go Cirsium Feb 6 #217

Agree--I'm so tired of being accused of not being a loyal Democrat if I disagree with leadership on occasion crimycarny Feb 5 #54

Not having majorities in the House and Senate 3825-87867 Feb 5 #93

FYI SocialDemocrat61 Feb 5 #112

Yep Cirsium Feb 6 #186

You're telling Mineral Man to stop with the purity tests? mcar Feb 5 #131

Correct Cirsium Feb 5 #133

And those bashing Schumer/Jeffries aren't? mcar Feb 5 #134

I agree with that Cirsium Feb 5 #140

A. You invoked purity mcar Feb 5 #144

I know Cirsium Feb 5 #151

Thank you Cirsium! mcar Feb 5 #153

Thank you! Cirsium Feb 5 #154

Come on angrychair Feb 5 #32

My answer has to do with only one thing - Elections. MineralMan Feb 5 #35

Yes we need to vote D. We also need to inspire nonvoters to do so. we can do it Feb 5 #39

No one person will meet 100% of any persons requirements. 1WorldHope Feb 5 #52

"Plump bump" Seinan Sensei Feb 5 #59

The full title is plump bump on my rump😎 1WorldHope Feb 5 #68

And I don't think criticizing leadership on certain issues equates to wanting 100% crimycarny Feb 5 #160

"VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS! EVERY LAST F-ING TIME! NOTHING LESS WILL DO." I agree with that--- Jack Valentino Feb 5 #167

Understood Cirsium Feb 6 #199

If we do not win the elections, we do not have the majority MineralMan Feb 6 #200

Agreed! Cirsium Feb 6 #201

I do not know the factors that decide elections, frankly. MineralMan Feb 6 #204

Good post Cirsium Feb 6 #213

Abolish ICE we can do it Feb 5 #37

Yeah, that Got Us So Far in 2016 and 2024 Cha Feb 5 #42

These 2 are not meeting the moment, end of story dsp3000 Feb 5 #45

I see. And I should be listening to you because... MineralMan Feb 5 #47

The Author Didn't Say You Should. It's A Declarative, Not An Imperative. ColoringFool Feb 5 #106

You made a post. The poster replied. How is their action more deserving of a snide dismissal than yours is? Scrivener7 Feb 5 #135

Not even 95%! hay rick Feb 5 #48

Just so. MineralMan Feb 5 #49

Exactly. betsuni Feb 5 #67

legislators Cirsium Feb 6 #187

Different constituents will have different messages. hay rick Feb 6 #192

Maybe Cirsium Feb 6 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author hadEnuf Feb 5 #51

The only way to avoid disappointment is to lack principles. Renew Deal Feb 5 #53

Politicians doing politics, governing. No! True saviors MAKE evil disappear with magic FIGHTING to MEET THE MOMENT. betsuni Feb 5 #55

Some of the posts on here are damn nasty. MorbidButterflyTat Feb 6 #175

What I want to see. . . . BigDemVoter Feb 5 #57

The Trick Is to Get That Majority in Congress. MineralMan Feb 5 #69

Vote as one, yes Cirsium Feb 6 #189

THANK YOU! MorbidButterflyTat Feb 5 #58

Most of us care about standing up to fascism iemanja Feb 5 #60

Um. If 24 Republicans voted against a bill that only 7 Democrats voted for, there is no way it passed. Wiz Imp Feb 5 #73

You're right iemanja Feb 5 #99

Yeah. Don't vote. That'll show them. CountMyVote4Reality Feb 5 #61

Who is saying don't vote? we can do it Feb 5 #165

No one Cirsium Feb 6 #190

Vote in the Democratic primaries and vote for Progressive Democratic candidates! Clouds Passing Feb 5 #62

Please point to ANYONE saying they won't vote aocommunalpunch Feb 5 #65

Anyone saying they won't vote is not here on DU. MineralMan Feb 5 #70

Talk to them, then Cirsium Feb 6 #197

Insisting on political purity is what defeats Democratic candidates . love_katz Feb 5 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Feb 5 #74

Recommended. H2O Man Feb 5 #75

Agree completely. cksmithy Feb 5 #81

Elections have consequences. love_katz Feb 5 #82

. Zelda_Orchid Feb 5 #83

I don't berate some for being upset, especially the current situation with ICE. mdbl Feb 5 #85

We're the minority party. Where's the advantage? QueerDuck Feb 5 #95

Did you miss the part where the Senate can't pass the ICE portion without Democrats? mdbl Feb 5 #113

Everyone has reasons for supporting or not supporting the politicians that are elected to represent them. Nanjeanne Feb 5 #86

This is an awesome post. Scrivener7 Feb 5 #137

Thanks. It's just how I feel. Nanjeanne Feb 5 #159

here's my deal quakerboy Feb 5 #87

It's more about people being tired of those who think performative resistance Rob H. Feb 5 #88

I am reminded of a line in Amiri Baraka's poem... NNadir Feb 5 #89

They were never ours Cirsium Feb 6 #194

With respect to your last line, it's true for me. NNadir Feb 6 #210

Yes! You speak for me! They should just IGNORE that we're the MINORITY party... QueerDuck Feb 5 #92

I think that may be the biggest straw man I've seen all week. Iggo Feb 5 #96

Well, ya know, shit's not going to stir itself. Someone's gotta do it. Scrivener7 Feb 5 #138

I agree. BannonsLiver Feb 5 #102

How Is Agreeing To Masks Making "No Masks" "Possible To.... ColoringFool Feb 5 #105

Bruce Springsteen - STREETS OF MINNEAPOLIS Emile Feb 5 #108

Reality is sometimes hard to accept Progressive dog Feb 5 #109

I Would Like A Positive Example Of When Compromise With Republicans Has Helped Achieve... ColoringFool Feb 5 #110

A straw man. Nice. themaguffin Feb 5 #114

As others have correctly pointed out, this is a straw man fallacy. De-rec. nt Celerity Feb 5 #116

How so? It seems we'll reasoned and right on target. QueerDuck Feb 5 #121

this part: Celerity Feb 5 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck Feb 5 #157

It's a truthful parody of the ridiculous complains and... QueerDuck Feb 5 #158

But is it a strawman? MorbidButterflyTat Feb 6 #176

It's neither. Only those who felt insecure or threatened when forced to look in the mirror... QueerDuck Feb 6 #181

Parody is always risky in a public discussion. MineralMan Feb 6 #211

Waiting for permission from the future Cirsium Feb 5 #120

Why aren't they impeaching Trump RIGHT NOW!!11 mcar Feb 5 #122

Apparently they are lazy and too old... QueerDuck Feb 5 #143

Spineless, Turd Wayers mcar Feb 5 #146

OMG! 🤣😂🤣😂😜 QueerDuck Feb 6 #182

I don't agree with Schumer and Jeffries 100% of the time SocialDemocrat61 Feb 5 #125

RESCIND bdamomma Feb 5 #127

🪄🧙‍♂️🔮🧚‍♀️ It's so easy. Just do it. QueerDuck Feb 5 #147

I understand that the Democratic leadership markodochartaigh Feb 5 #150

I am regularly disappointed in both of those guys. MontanaMama Feb 5 #155

I'm still at a loss who this is directed at as obviously almost all of us vote Democrat Ilikepurple Feb 5 #169

Why post a divisive and insulting OP? PufPuf23 Feb 6 #179

Yes, you're right. They should keep doing exactly what they're doing. Orrex Feb 6 #183

Thank you, Orrex. hamsterjill Feb 6 #184

Oh, my God. I love this. Scrivener7 Feb 6 #185

I edited my reply to Orrex hamsterjill Feb 6 #193

Great post! Deserves a valentine heart 💝 Emile Feb 6 #188

K & R Emile Feb 6 #196

+1 leftstreet Feb 6 #206

The piling on by some is embarrassing. I'm hoping it's mostly trolls or bots Greybnk48 Feb 6 #203

No trolls or bots Cirsium Feb 6 #218

My hope is that you are right (about this sort of bashing and disagreement being healthy discourse Greybnk48 Feb 6 #219

I hear you Cirsium Feb 6 #220

I don't like it when they support Trump n GOP NAZIs Kid Berwyn Feb 6 #209