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harumph

(3,162 posts)
39. I used to be in the no term limits camp - not anymore.
Mon Feb 16, 2026, 10:46 AM
20 hrs ago

3 term limit for each representative
2 term limit for each senator.
If the parties cannot come up with new blood with fresh ideas after 6 or 12 years respectively, then we need a substantially amended constitution - because this "f-king" piece of paper as 'W' allegedly called it, isn't cutting the mustard. I think anyone can see that the so-called 'guardrails' are really overcooked noodles supported by toothpicks.

Up-thread - someone made a comment about Pelosi. I agree she's great. But for every Pelosi, there's a standing zombie like Mitch McConnell. Where is Mitch nowadays? Anybody remember Feinstein? Holy f**k people - that was embarrassing! Ted Cruz was elected first in 2013. Wouldn't it be great if he was just done? Chuck Grassley first took office in 1981. And there was Kay Grainger - who was found by a reporter to be in assisted living (memory care).

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/14/kay-granger-dementia-dc-media-00210317

Term limits would incentivize the parties not to rely on so few people and to cultivate new talent. And please - all this talk of unique talent (ooo-la-la!) that we would be missing. There are many, many talented people in this country - probably some on this board - who are educated - good thinkers - good speakers - and could learn parliamentary procedure (yes, that's what it's called even in the US).

Regarding the "constitution," IMO, the unilateral pardon power of the president needs to be replaced by limiting the chief executive to recommending pardons that are reviewed by an appointed non-partisan committee that is completely independent from the president and has guaranteed funding. Many democracies not mentally chained to 18th century norms do it that way.
No more quid pro quo.

IMO Federal elections should be funded solely by tax dollars (this amt will be capped according to inflation) and will run for a limited period - not to exceed...

Our judicial system is painfully reactive and treats every new insult to justice like it's a new g-damned question at hand - when it's the same old shit. The courts need to have meaningful (i.e., painful) sanction power. Yet, they don't - and Trump et al. continues to overwhelm the courts with meritless cack.

We have a poorly functioning democracy and probably half of the adults are functionally illiterate. That's where we are and we need to make substantive changes, not just redecorate.

I have it on the authority of a poster in another thread that the constitution will never be amended again. If I truly believed that, I'd be packing my bags.




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Please, stop with the TERM LIMITS bs. [View all] 4bonhoffer 22 hrs ago OP
You are so right. Americanme 22 hrs ago #1
That's a good point Conjuay 22 hrs ago #2
Same! EuterpeThelo 22 hrs ago #9
re: "Agreed we should primary those who aren't effective" thesquanderer 19 hrs ago #54
I agree with you. Its ridiculous. Callie1979 14 hrs ago #75
100% Right on! NT CommonHumanity 22 hrs ago #3
I think that the longer someone stays in politics, the more likely they have convictions. everyonematters 22 hrs ago #4
Yes, or to feather their nest, lately that's the goal Walleye 22 hrs ago #6
The problem is that the LACK of term limits is what allows members of Congress to gain more seniority, pnwmom 9 hrs ago #90
I agree 100%, besides it's unconstitutional, not that that matters anymore Walleye 22 hrs ago #5
How is it unconstitutional? iemanja 12 hrs ago #85
The Constitution sets the qualification for representatives and senators. TomSlick 10 hrs ago #88
Ok iemanja 7 hrs ago #94
I asked Google, they gave the specific Supreme Court case Walleye 50 min ago #98
Term limits who have deprived us . . Michiblue 22 hrs ago #7
There are just as many good reasons for term limits as there are bad ones. sop 22 hrs ago #8
+1 leftstreet 20 hrs ago #35
We need campaign finance reform MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #37
Because they are two sides of the same bright, shiny coin. Maru Kitteh 18 hrs ago #65
i also object to the party putting thumbs on the scale to promote the leadership's MadameButterfly 16 hrs ago #67
I agree with that. I guess I was primarily speaking to the poster's Maru Kitteh 12 hrs ago #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Maru Kitteh 13 hrs ago #76
Bingo. See reply at #39 harumph 19 hrs ago #46
How about putting the other changes in place MadameButterfly 16 hrs ago #68
They WHERE CALLED ELECTIONS now they are called how do we screw the voters and keep them from voting. usaf-vet 21 hrs ago #10
which, of course - doesn't address the subject (or point made) in the OP in the slightest ... - - -(nt)- stopdiggin 20 hrs ago #43
I agree PatSeg 21 hrs ago #11
we need real term limits..two terms and out... agingdem 21 hrs ago #12
I've been preaching this for years. Not to mention the revolving door to lobbying would accelerate... themaguffin 21 hrs ago #13
Term limits are aniicemocratic. If they've been there too long vote em out. tirebiter 21 hrs ago #14
There are so many things that need to be reformed before we can even consider term limits ibegurpard 21 hrs ago #15
Preach! ybbor 21 hrs ago #16
The problem is gerrymandering, not term limits. Emile 21 hrs ago #17
I've been arguing against term limits for years. Martin Eden 21 hrs ago #18
Very difficult to overcome incumbent name recognition MichMan 12 hrs ago #81
Every citizen should recognize the name of their representative in the House and both senators Martin Eden 10 hrs ago #87
I believe name recognition is a significant factor for many voters MichMan 8 hrs ago #91
And THAT is why our representative democracy is so dysfunctional Martin Eden 8 hrs ago #93
Totally agree DownriverDem 21 hrs ago #19
I'll take it a step further Polybius 21 hrs ago #20
let's hold off until trump is out. We don't need to give him even more incentive to fuck things up. themaguffin 21 hrs ago #22
He's more unpopular than ever now though Polybius 21 hrs ago #23
Obama isn't going to run. Getting past this shit show is priority 1 themaguffin 19 hrs ago #61
at this point - cab67 15 hrs ago #70
100% agree. The best argument against term limits is this question: Pototan 21 hrs ago #21
I like that analogy. tinrobot 20 hrs ago #29
No question homegirl 10 hrs ago #89
Yes! radical noodle 20 hrs ago #24
If elections define one's term . . . otchmoson 20 hrs ago #25
it just empowers staffers. mopinko 20 hrs ago #26
Yes, because it's important to have octogenerians driving our culture relayerbob 20 hrs ago #27
Thank you. We need to fix election financing, gerrymandering, and the electoral college. tinrobot 20 hrs ago #28
I would make one exception - cab67 20 hrs ago #30
there is no way to remove Supreme Court justices ibegurpard 20 hrs ago #32
Please stop telling people what to consider/debate Mysterian 20 hrs ago #31
How about for SCOTUS? CaptainTruth 20 hrs ago #33
The voters NEVER got a choice there stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #52
Yes, clearly. And I still think it makes sense to have term limits for SCOTUS. CaptainTruth 19 hrs ago #60
I'm in favor of 8 years for SC Justices LogDog75 14 hrs ago #71
Interesting. Thanks for sharing! CaptainTruth 13 hrs ago #80
I agree with you and add this point: Mr. Mustard 2023 20 hrs ago #34
Make them fill out job applications leftstreet 20 hrs ago #36
What we need is campaign finance reform Beausoleil 20 hrs ago #38
I used to be in the no term limits camp - not anymore. harumph 20 hrs ago #39
except that 'term limits' doesn't really address any of the aggrievements you have with the system stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #49
I think we need an age limit for service Mosby 20 hrs ago #40
You are right. I was so impressed with our Dems in Congress during the Ghislaine Bondi hearings this past weekend Maraya1969 20 hrs ago #41
I believe in term limits. Layzeebeaver 20 hrs ago #42
Term limits has always been the province of the low brow, bumper sticker mentality stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #44
Term limits don't solve a single problem. Its a populist slogan that adds zero value to anything. FascismIsDeath 19 hrs ago #45
I'm a believer in term limits. However, back during the Gingrich days, the repugs talked term limits until they got Wonder Why 19 hrs ago #47
Do you favor repeal of the 22nd amendment? n/t Shrek 19 hrs ago #48
Both that and the age-baiting arguments have too many flaws Torchlight 19 hrs ago #50
We already have term limits: the voting cycle. Get the vote out. Stop accepting your vote means nothing ... marble falls 19 hrs ago #51
Florida is the poster child for the corrupting influence of term limits. hay rick 19 hrs ago #53
B I.N.G.O. markodochartaigh 19 hrs ago #57
I disagree ABC123Easy 19 hrs ago #55
In my opinion - cab67 15 hrs ago #69
You may be able to pass laws to limit partisan gerrymandering, BUT . . . markpkessinger 14 hrs ago #73
Agreed! ABC123Easy 12 hrs ago #82
It doesn't solve it for the Senate The Revolution 5 hrs ago #97
WHY IS NOBODY SAYING the bottom line. markodochartaigh 19 hrs ago #56
Example: what if Chris Murphy of Adam Schiff were ALBliberal 19 hrs ago #58
I am with you on this. pandr32 19 hrs ago #59
Agreed, for additional reasons: Exp 19 hrs ago #62
Nationalization of politics, blaming those crooks off in Washington, Drain the Swamp. But not their own reps! betsuni 18 hrs ago #63
Completely agree! MatthewStLouis 18 hrs ago #64
Agree completely. Term limits are really just a limit on Democracy. It's telling voters they can't have their chosen tritsofme 18 hrs ago #66
I favor term limits for Executive offices and Supreme Courts LogDog75 14 hrs ago #72
Sorry I still support an Amendment for term limits. Lifetime seats have gotten ridiculous. Callie1979 14 hrs ago #74
Dingell family from Detroit area MichMan 8 hrs ago #92
Citizen's United is the "corporate wet dream" that term limits, well, limits Dave says 13 hrs ago #77
I whole heartedly agree 👍 Figarosmom 13 hrs ago #78
Agreed! People only want term limits when the don't like who's in office. JohnnyRingo 13 hrs ago #79
Why is it that people think they have a right to censors others' posts and thoughts iemanja 12 hrs ago #84
Can we at least change the presidential term limit to 1 week for this presidency only? mdbl 11 hrs ago #86
Term limits are stupid AncientOfDays 6 hrs ago #95
I absolutely support term limits and age limits for government. No more geriatric politicians. Melon 6 hrs ago #96
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