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149. I'm in no way dismissive of her concerns. And I've said elsewhere in the thread

Mon Feb 23, 2026, 05:50 PM

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that I think a massive protest against this is one of the only ways this will change, which I think is the same as "society shows its disapproval." And I would love to see a ban under 16.

We may be talking past each other. Yes, these societal changes would be great. I would love to see them, and I do think they're the answer.

Problem is, there doesn't appear to be any will by Zuckerberg to institute either of these changes, and there doesn't seem to be any will for the public to fight for them. (A fight that would probably need to include a boycott by the girls and women affected, and those who value them.)

So maybe those things will happen in the future, though I don't see evidence of change any time soon.

So my concern, the concern central to my arguments, is that child today. She is being abused. And to protect children from being abused, keeping them off instagram, in my mind, is not blaming the victim. And frankly, if it is blaming the victim, I don't care. I wouldn't allow my loved one to be subjected to that kind of soul-killing abuse if there was anything I could do to stop it.

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I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day [View all] marble falls Monday OP

Social Media Has Made Society Worse Than It Was ProfessorGAC Monday #1

Indeed. And we raise our men terribly. marble falls Monday #2

That reminds me of a remark soldierant Monday #189

There is a cure for all these, but no one wants to do it...UNSUBSCRIBE to ALL of it! That is the CURE! Escurumbele Monday #24

Ok By Me ProfessorGAC Monday #57

Good idea but not realistic blubunyip Monday #70

Because we let them. Because there is no credible protest against this. Because this Scrivener7 Monday #136

What about having men police themselves? How many men call out other men for their hateful comments and threats? ihaveaquestion Monday #86

You used the word "male." Is that not derogatory, yet "female" is? Doodley Monday #109

You think you scored a big point there, don't you? Scrivener7 Monday #135

Using "male" as an adjective rather than a noun is appropriate. Here's a link spooky3 Monday #143

That's your response to a call for men to be responsible? WTF!?!?! ihaveaquestion Monday #177

I doubt there are many men on this forum who disagree that there are men who are disrespectful to women, and Doodley Monday #186

Worse by orders of magnitude. SKKY Monday #179

Why anyone still uses any Zuckerberg product is beyond me. No one needs that and they're Scrivener7 Monday #3

Quit FB years ago. Never went on Instagram. Ritabert Monday #7

Same here, and I'm a 78-year-old man with a wife and sisters. Email, and DU is the extent of my online activity. usaf-vet Monday #52

Same here. Ritabert Monday #88

Stop Greg_In_SF Monday #4

Good Point ProfessorGAC Monday #5

Any forum with inadequate moderation is quickly hijacked by men and boys... hunter Monday #60

Right blubunyip Monday #73

Then, at the very least, there needs to be a movement demanding adequate moderation. Scrivener7 Monday #80

Not sure this equates. Hope22 Monday #12

Post removed Post removed Monday #14

So, basically, kudzukimchi Monday #19

Really, dude? Welcome to DU. Scrivener7 Monday #21

I just knew Greg_In_SF Monday #23

Agree Mossfern Monday #41

Well said! csusan Monday #42

She's 15. All kids are on social media. Joinfortmill Monday #31

Again, it's Greg_In_SF Monday #35

Not quite. Joinfortmill Monday #39

Umm... Greg_In_SF Monday #40

That's Boomer logic Polybius Monday #63

Yes blubunyip Monday #75

It brought back the memory of then PM Golda Meir's response when men suggested she enact a curfew for women Attilatheblond Monday #127

Similar to get the red out Monday #128

But, it seems, there are only two available options: leave the source, or demand Scrivener7 Monday #83

I'm not going to pretend to have a solution, but this is not just about social media spaces. Ilikepurple Monday #144

I'm in no way dismissive of her concerns. And I've said elsewhere in the thread Scrivener7 Monday #149

The issue is that the abuse does not stop online. The piece was a plea for change not a request for personal advice Ilikepurple Monday #161

I'm not dismissing anything. I never said anything about the banning children idea being outlandish, in fact Scrivener7 Monday #163

I'm sorry. I apologize for mixing some of your comments with another member. Ilikepurple Monday #178

Have a nice night. Scrivener7 Monday #180

Boys will stop that behaviour when they find out it is not cool, when there is no one on social media, besides Escurumbele Monday #26

Victim blaming much? You're kidding, right? Joinfortmill Monday #33

Amazing to me how the victim is always held responsible because "we all know men can't help speaking ... marble falls Monday #58

This message was self-deleted by its author blubunyip Monday #76

Please explain how the post is "victim blaming." Doodley Monday #119

Telling girls to get off social media doesn't solve the problem and it's a bit like spooky3 Monday #130

Progressive Democrats don't develop lifelong issues with self-esteem and trust Scrivener7 Monday #138

Notice that I said it's "a bit like", not "exactly like." spooky3 Monday #142

Do you see anything being done that indicates the bad behavior is being discouraged? Scrivener7 Monday #145

When I first stopped using X and started using Threads, spooky3 Monday #146

So there are places these kids could go and be safe instead of instagram. I wish they would. Scrivener7 Monday #151

Instagram is linked to Threads, but she could just ignore Instagram spooky3 Monday #155

We could just tell kids all their parents are on instagram. That'll send them running away. Scrivener7 Monday #156

LOL! Nt spooky3 Monday #158

Women once needed escorts to enter taverns leftstreet Monday #27

Right because some men can't seem to control thenselves Joinfortmill Monday #34

Paint Greg_In_SF Monday #45

"Some men" is a wide brush? Wednesdays Monday #53

As wide a brush as "stay off the internet. Problem solved!"? Torchlight Monday #61

This centurys version of homegirl Monday #103

As one man, I didn't feel the brush came very close to painting me. Ilikepurple Monday #164

Or Greg_In_SF Monday #43

Instagram isn't CAUSING her problems leftstreet Monday #79

Your interlocutor has left the thread Prairie Gates Monday #92

So what do you do to protect your fifteen year old daughter from this right now? Scrivener7 Monday #106

I don't know leftstreet Monday #114

We do have that history. But I'm not seeing the will to apply it to social media. Scrivener7 Monday #129

I'm not sure you could make a ban on using instagram stick for a 15-year-old. MineralMan Monday #123

Yes. Your response is unsatisfactory because it's amazingly naive. "Calling out" these assaults has never done anything Scrivener7 Monday #131

Doing what i can.. MineralMan Monday #139

"the problem is undisciplined girls" blubunyip Monday #81

What do you suggest? Imagine you're this fifteen year old's mother. What do you do? Scrivener7 Monday #105

Come together with other mothers, fathers, daughters AND sons blubunyip Monday #116

I totally agree. There should be a major protest against this. But there isn't. I can't fathom why. But there isn't. Scrivener7 Monday #132

This isn't a woman. This is a child. And she is being abused. I'd forbid instagram in a heartbeat. Scrivener7 Monday #111

Well yes! leftstreet Monday #117

Absolutely. We only get better products when we demand better products. And sometimes Scrivener7 Monday #133

Stop johnp3907 Monday #108

She's not a woman. She's a child. And she's being abused. What would you do to stop that Scrivener7 Monday #112

Social media is a pretty damn big neighborhood Quiet Em Monday #122

iI's not just a matter of social media.. whathehell Monday #166

These repulsive little worms... GiqueCee Monday #6

"Suppose social media platforms required them to use their REAL names, and not some made-up handle." MichMan Monday #55

If women used their names they'd be seriously shit-stormed and doxxed. marble falls Monday #59

Good point... GiqueCee Monday #95

No... GiqueCee Monday #85

Sounds really serious Torchlight Monday #93

The military has always used 'girl'as a means of humilating men. milestogo Monday #8

Today's bright moment of clarity -- right here. Duncan Grant Monday #102

The juvenile males who own and run social media are intentionally responsible for this. Clouds Passing Monday #9

Let's not forget how Zuckerberg got his start. llmart Monday #13

He's a creepster Clouds Passing Monday #16

I don't think Zuck ever had a GF..... SergeStorms Monday #38

From Wiki... llmart Monday #66

Wow. SergeStorms Monday #152

You use the word "males," but female is an insult? Please explain. Doodley Monday #113

I didn't say or imply that female is an insult Clouds Passing Monday #159

Dehumanizing hatred at such a young age seems difficult to avoid in the 21 century Torchlight Monday #10

Yes, exactly. MineralMan Monday #22

Yes. It's victim blaming n/t Just_Vote_Dem Monday #49

But don't. Scrivener7 Monday #78

That is true in many, many cases. MineralMan Monday #90

Women, myself included, have spent lifetimes doing that. And yet here we are. Scrivener7 Monday #91

OK, but I'll continue to call out sexism and misogyny when I encounter it. MineralMan Monday #96

We all do that. You are not unique in that. It doesn't change anything about the abuse this child is facing. Scrivener7 Monday #98

And after all these years of doing it Bettie Monday #99

I just said the same downthread. I think we're all feeling that. Scrivener7 Monday #100

+1 leftstreet Monday #25

My sentiments exactly Mossfern Monday #48

Telling people to avoid social media is as absurd Torchlight Monday #50

Imagine she is your child. Are you going to feel like the solution is to wait until the culture Scrivener7 Monday #97

I share your concern about keeping youth safe from harmful online content. Torchlight Monday #101

I totally agree. But in the meantime, my kid would not be allowed to go near it. Scrivener7 Monday #104

My heart goes out to the girls and young women. Hope22 Monday #11

Even nice men often see it as a "woman's problem" blubunyip Monday #84

Are you saying no men joined in the fight to protect Roe V. Wade? Doodley Monday #121

Please..... Hope22 Monday #137

Do you think tens of millions of Democratic men don't stand up for women's rights? Come on! Please! Doodley Monday #141

I'm semi retired now. WinstonSmith4740 Monday #15

Did you also have the same restriction to the usage of "males" MichMan Monday #56

Absolutely!! WinstonSmith4740 Monday #82

So we should all be banned from using the words male and female except for the animal kingdom? Are you kidding? Doodley Monday #118

...... Diamond_Dog Monday #17

Amen Joinfortmill Monday #36

Please! I am a man who respects women. Every Thanksgiving dinner I make a speech that I want to see more women Doodley Monday #120

That's great. Quiet Em Monday #124

It says "men," not some men, not certain men, not a small percentage of men, but "men." Doodley Monday #125

She did not say all men either. Quiet Em Monday #134

Please! If I said "women are a problem," does that sound okay to you? I don't think that is acceptable. Doodley Monday #140

Let's stay in the context of the topic and discussion on this thread Quiet Em Monday #150

She isn't a "young girl." She's 15. Doodley Monday #157

She's 15. She is a girl, sir. Quiet Em Monday #160

She isn't a young girl. She takes offense at "female," so at least, let's not call her a "young girl." Doodley Monday #184

I have no idea what you are talking about. Quiet Em Monday #188

Yawn. The not-all-men argument---like we haven't heard that before. CrispyQ Monday #181

If I said "women are the problem," would you say that was acceptable? I would not ever say that as it is offensive and Doodley Monday #185

I didn't feel tarred. I'm not sure why you think this is about you. Ilikepurple Monday #175

Do you know what my race is? Where I was born? If I have a disability? What my religion is? No. Please don't stereotype Doodley Monday #187

I'm not sure I spoke to any of those things other than mentioning marginalization. Ilikepurple Monday #191

I don't have Instagram and have never used it but I have had Facebook Bev54 Monday #18

With very few exceptions, "Social" media are pure poison. usonian Monday #20

DU is my only social media... BigmanPigman Monday #28

This is horrifying. What kind of men are we raising? Joinfortmill Monday #29

Trump acolytes. Wednesdays Monday #51

The same ones we have always raised. 1WorldHope Monday #74

Ding, ding, ding, THAT IS THE POINT! Buddyzbuddy Monday #89

It makes me think of a book I read FullySupportDems Monday #30

That was my 2nd Tepper novel. CrispyQ Monday #182

Oh yes, I forgot about Grass! 😊 FullySupportDems 2 hrs ago #201

I was called a "cuck" yesterday on X by a woman defending Tuckers Mosby Monday #32

Wracking my puny "female brain" xuplate Monday #37

I completely understand why many women may want to have little to do with men. Sometimes it seems like men are a blight Fil1957 Monday #44

I get that entirely. I do not crowd women or children because I don't want to cause them fear that I am one ... marble falls Monday #69

I don't think I've ever seen you stray even into the neighborhood of mansplaining. Scrivener7 Monday #154

My mistake was thinking providing background was a "service". I've had to learn to wait to be asked for ... marble falls 7 hrs ago #198

I have to say, the people here have taught me a lot too. I hadn't heard that three responses and out advice. I'm going Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #199

Skinner had good advice, too. When we on MIRT were getting too serious about how and why, he suggested ... marble falls 2 hrs ago #200

Social media is a great source of people, families to keep in touch. It's beautiful. BUT bluestarone Monday #46

Women Keep A Body Count???? Coolgoober Monday #47

Incels think this about women, and they're pissed because they aren't getting in on anyone's count at all. marble falls Monday #67

Facebook is cancer JoseBalow Monday #54

Thank you for sharing. Martin68 Monday #62

Even my husband gets the Proverbial Pissed Off when he hears how some men think of females. chouchou Monday #64

Boys jump at that shit in a nanosecond GenThePerservering Monday #65

Parents need to teach their boys Bettie Monday #68

We can't fix this online. It starts at home and in school. marble falls Monday #72

That's true Bettie Monday #87

But that means this fifteen year old has to endure this until the culture changes. Scrivener7 Monday #94

The kids need better tools GenThePerservering Monday #107

I'm speaking as someone whose only social media is DU, so I understand that I am Scrivener7 Monday #110

You're fighting the good fight here Sympthsical Monday #162

I wonder if people who grew up with this will be more careful with their own children. Scrivener7 Monday #165

The parents my age are much more aware of it Sympthsical Monday #169

I LOVE that idea of a flip phone for school! And I love to hear there is more healthy fear of this shit. Scrivener7 Monday #171

Absolutely, but problems will beget problems Sympthsical Monday #172

This is just the beginning. AI will do the rest. Scrivener7 Monday #173

The parents of your niece did the right thing. Quiet Em Monday #167

It's in the frigging algorithms. This is how Zuckerberg makes his money. Scrivener7 Monday #168

AI and filters aren't going to make it any better Sympthsical Monday #174

The net has warped human perceptions of reality jfz9580m Monday #71

I'll be watching for those posts about your epiphanies. It sounds interesting. Scrivener7 Monday #170

They are hard to explain jfz9580m Monday #192

Well it isn't anything that amazing jfz9580m 16 hrs ago #193

My head is spinning a bit from this. I agree with you that the ones doing the work seem to be the ones who Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #195

And god forgive an action movie features a woman or person of color..only a white male can save the world BlueWaveNeverEnd Monday #77

Instagram and Facebook MorbidButterflyTat Monday #115

Screw social media popsdenver Monday #126

Easy to see why we've had no female presidents stollen Monday #147

I talked my daughter out of the Annapolis, her ex-husband is an Air Force Academy graduate, who was ... marble falls 8 hrs ago #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Monday #148

OMG MorbidButterflyTat Monday #153

What's so funny? marble falls 8 hrs ago #196

The beauty of posts like this drmeow Monday #176

Sad to see. REALLY sad to see! calimary Monday #183

Read a fascinating diagnosis of the problem. summer_in_TX Monday #190

I don't understand this maxrandb 14 hrs ago #194