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hlthe2b

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84. I am NO "Propagandist" but I DO know HISTORY.

Sun Mar 1, 2026, 06:30 AM

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Maybe that is something you might consider before making such absoluteist and accusatory statements.

We are all hopeful that the people in any conflict, any authoritarian or dictatorial regime, will prevail. But, against the armed, they often do not. That is what is so damned frightening in this country, as an authoritarian and a private heavily armed force answerable to no one but the authoritarian has arisen. No one here or elsewhere is suggesting that people should not rise up in protest nonetheless, as I'd bet a very large proportion of DUers (myself included--have YOU?) have been doing. But to do so in the US or most countries is not the same as having had the brutality and ruthless murder of the Ayatollahs since 1979, and in the face of their current murder of thousands on the street today.

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Reza Pahlavi. Seeking Serenity Saturday #49

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