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MadameButterfly

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13. i thought your description of Keller's position
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 09:22 PM
21 hrs ago

was fair, explaining the limitations of what they knew and how her position evolved. But your conflict on hearing her affiliation with eugenics reminded me of my family members and college community who made similar discoveries.

I still think when examining people's positions in the past we need to consider their experience of the times, even with something as abominable as slavery. Thomas Jefferson hoped to end slavery when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, but he lived with slaves all his life. There were abolitionists who wanted the South to secede, so the North would not be tarnished with it's evil. Frederick Douglass wondered how that would help the slaves. Douglass also experienced racism from abolitionists he worked with, and the abolitionist movement to a large extent was fine with leaving in place another kind of bondage that women experienced. Abraham Lincoln actively explored the idea of sending Negroes back to Africa. Going back further, Benjamin Franklin had to be taught by a schoolteacher that Negro children really were capable of learning.

These were not all people bereft of conscience and a capacity for empathy. They were raised in the beliefs and understanding of their time, with different levels of commitment to breaking with the established system, and without the benefit of our experience. Some of them, like Helen Keller, learned. Others didn't. And of course there were a lot of cruel people in the mix.

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Helen Keller: [View all] applegrove Yesterday OP
I have gained a new respect for Ms. Keller--- lastlib Yesterday #1
One of the first books I read as a child was about Kelller applegrove Yesterday #2
I remember reading one too.... lastlib 23 hrs ago #7
Yes, me too senseandsensibility 23 hrs ago #8
That is so cool. I just remember the spelling of wa-t-t-er. applegrove 18 hrs ago #14
I had that book too! PCIntern 9 hrs ago #16
I can't picture my book. I think it was blue but I'm not sure. We did not applegrove 4 hrs ago #17
Did you also get Weekly Reader Children's Book Club? PCIntern 3 hrs ago #21
Nope. No book clubs. applegrove 3 hrs ago #22
Understood. PCIntern 3 hrs ago #23
I just got Amelia Bedelia for my great niece. My grandmother applegrove 2 hrs ago #24
Never read it but distinctly recall PCIntern 1 hr ago #25
I also had one about Ben Franklin senseandsensibility 3 hrs ago #20
Helen Keller was a strong supporter of the wnylib Yesterday #6
I think sometimes it's unfair for us to judge people of that time MadameButterfly 22 hrs ago #11
My post was not a judgment of Keller. wnylib 21 hrs ago #12
i thought your description of Keller's position MadameButterfly 21 hrs ago #13
Canada's favourite person was Tommy Douglas who introduced applegrove 4 hrs ago #18
Yup. The application of the faulty scientific reasoning wnylib 4 hrs ago #19
"Then Nazis showed up on the world stage, did the holocaust, and that was the end of eugenics." TheProle 1 hr ago #26
End of the progressive fad of eugenics. The right wing applegrove 19 min ago #27
Careful there. Helen Keller was a radical leftist. DJ Synikus Makisimus Yesterday #3
I didn't know that but samplegirl 9 hrs ago #15
Helen Keller was amazing.. whathehell Yesterday #4
The movie "The Miracle Worker" is so good. twodogsbarking Yesterday #5
His6ory books never seem to mention Warpy 22 hrs ago #9
i was at helen kellers home. i didn't take time to go in to her house but i did walk thru the displays in her garden. dawn5651 22 hrs ago #10
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