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UTUSN

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23. Perfectly put. My lesson from Bill-Monica was to put the Dem *AGENDA* above any individual.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:22 PM
Mar 18

Back then I defended Bill tooth and nail on partisan grounds at the raging brawls in Happy Hours. Privately, I blamed both of them for selfishness, irresponsibility, and risk to the country. Privately (for myself only) I was devastatedly crushed in Bill (last line of Primary Colors, "We saved you/again, don't break our hearts/again" - paraphrase) most of all for, as difficult as it is to attain the power to make a positive difference, he risked it all for crap. It took me a few years to shake off the focusing on individuals as heroes and personal cult leaders. Over the past couple of decades, the MAGAts go-to is to accuse us of worshipping Hillary or OBAMA. My answer is ready and without denigrating whoever our leaders are, that we aren't cult worshippers, we support the Democratic agenda above all and value our leaders by how effective they are in implementing it.

The internet (Al GORE's "information superhighway" ), beyond all the utilitarian uses, has opened our perspectives of knowledge to incredible extents, here in the complete exposure of our common humanity as opposed to the stale hero and villain judgments of the past - presidents with worse behaviors than Bill's, world historical figures who were genocidal maniacs, saints who weren't. Also, that fairly saintly behavior doesn't equate with effectiveness or achievement.

So, yes, *AGENDA* over individuals - not "Royals" born to deserve anything and not delinquents retaining the party label. If a "Dem" is caught with cash in the freezer or any other malfeasances, buh-bye.




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This makes me sad and angry at the same time. h2ebits Mar 18 #1
Nothing to do with Epstein. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 18 #2
Thanks for the NY Times article h2ebits Mar 18 #5
He died in 1993, so there's no reason to think so EdmondDantes_ Mar 18 #3
... littlemissmartypants Mar 18 #9
Ty, sexual assault is not " misbehaving " as that poster states questionseverything Mar 18 #11
Weird that you've said more about my word choice than the sexual abuse EdmondDantes_ Mar 18 #16
Sorry but I think it was an appropriate call-out Nittersing Mar 18 #30
THIS!!!!! 2naSalit Mar 18 #36
At least one stat is blatantly false from that site: 80 per cent of US women have NOT been raped before reaching 25yo. Celerity Mar 18 #40
The writer appears to have attempted to aggregate data from worldwide statistics. littlemissmartypants Mar 18 #47
read it from your own link, it talks about the CDC (an American governmental agency) and repeats the false claim Celerity Mar 18 #49
I'm sorry, but I don't see anything indicating that the data is exclusive to Americans. littlemissmartypants Mar 18 #50
The CDC data is not global data. It is US data. Perhaps the title of the CDC report might will help about that: Celerity Mar 18 #53
And demonstrated a penchant for losing the plot. littlemissmartypants Mar 18 #59
A low-budget dating app's AI-produced blog is a terrible place to get stats on sexual assault, holy shit. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 18 #56
True, Epstein's type of misbehavior PatSeg Mar 18 #17
Once I realized how bad so many of my fellow men are EdmondDantes_ Mar 18 #20
You certainly aren't alone PatSeg Mar 18 #24
Dupe PatSeg Mar 18 #25
DURec leftstreet Mar 18 #4
No one is a saint, but this is disgusting. Chasstev365 Mar 18 #6
Oh wow BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 18 #7
"Both sexual encounters with Cesar led to pregnancies. I chose to keep my pregnancies secret and, after the children wer BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 18 #8
So sad, and on so many levels. TheRickles Mar 18 #10
We need to stop obsessing angrychair Mar 18 #12
Also, cults of personality hinder a movement as well. Crowman2009 Mar 18 #22
Perfectly put. My lesson from Bill-Monica was to put the Dem *AGENDA* above any individual. UTUSN Mar 18 #23
I was deeply disappointed in Bill Clinton's behavior with Lewinsky. He was the President and he skirted the truth in his CTyankee Mar 18 #38
I see him as in the Power role, but see her stupid youth as also responsible. UTUSN Mar 18 #39
Carter didn't, Biden didn't. They held the same office and yet didn't abuse their power. CTyankee Mar 18 #41
My tactic is to judge ours in my own mind and only among trusted other Dems, not to Wingnuts except UTUSN Mar 18 #42
Yes, that is a very good tactic, given our choices here. CTyankee Mar 18 #43
I have no desire to diminish what happened what happened infullview Mar 18 #13
That's because it's doing what it is designed to be MuchBetterThanThis Mar 18 #19
Telling the truth is not a distraction. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 18 #31
Bull! NoRethugFriends Mar 18 #34
I'm sorry, but raping 12 and 13 year olds whathehell Mar 18 #45
Horseshit pinkstarburst Mar 18 #58
No. Our march was cancelled weeks ago. LeftInTX Mar 19 #73
Completely agtee ALBliberal Mar 18 #27
That's because people aren't afraid pinkstarburst Mar 18 #57
I'm sorry for Dolores Huerta and the other nameless, powerless victims of sexual assault FakeNoose Mar 18 #14
Two child victims of 12 and 13 years of age whathehell Mar 18 #48
Stand up for women. Every chance you get and in any possible way. Even small things. twodogsbarking Mar 18 #15
Jeezus, so many pervs using power to rape and molest. Joinfortmill Mar 18 #18
+1 leftstreet Mar 18 #21
Wow. I believe her. yardwork Mar 18 #26
MEN!! I'm starting to think they're lust for power is just plain lust Walleye Mar 18 #28
A lot of street names are going to be changed. Sneederbunk Mar 18 #29
Probably to be renamed after white guys... regnaD kciN Mar 18 #35
I wish they would do their best pinkstarburst Mar 18 #46
How about a woman, a Latina like Ms. Huerta? whathehell Mar 18 #55
Austin is simply going back to "First Street" LeftInTX Mar 19 #72
They should pinkstarburst Mar 18 #44
As a man, I have to ask WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOME OF THESE MEN???!!!! nt Exp Mar 18 #32
Dolores Huerta is at the absolute top of my Pinnacle of Respect. I admire her for speaking out. NBachers Mar 18 #33
"Privilege" is the curse of mankind. usonian Mar 18 #37
Male privilege is the most universal whathehell Mar 18 #51
Personkind? Womankind? Oh, the hu... usonian Mar 19 #65
Awww.. whathehell Mar 19 #66
I was only referring to a branch of Buddhism that is egalitarian. usonian Mar 19 #67
No one here is trashing the belief whathehell Mar 19 #70
Delores is a brave woman ♀️ MustLoveBeagles Mar 18 #52
For those of us with this experience and possibly PTSD usedtobedemgurl Mar 18 #54
. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 19 #63
Too bad he died before he could face justice for these crimes, Mysterian Mar 18 #60
We have to face the fact that many men Tree Lady Mar 18 #61
Delores Huerta has been one of my heroes for decades. summer_in_TX Mar 18 #62
I do feel that since his death, Cesar Chavez has played a larger role than when he was alive. LeftInTX Mar 19 #71
A helpful source for anyone who needs it: MorbidButterflyTat Mar 19 #64
I used to have a cutout photo of Cesar Chavez with Dorothy Day, the Catholic activist Beringia Mar 19 #68
It is terribly disappointing to find out that a man I viewed as heroic defender of the rights of immigrant Martin68 Mar 19 #69
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