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HesNotHere

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14. Training is not programming.
Tue Mar 24, 2026, 10:04 PM
10 hrs ago

"programmed by the training"

Again, if you look at the source code--which is the best representation of the intent of the program--their literal and explicit behavior as they are written is to simply produce a single number from a multi-dimensional matrix, repeated until conditions are met (limit or EOT token).

As far as those goals you believe it "told" you, they are generated from a "context" matrix that is the composition of a hidden system prompt (likely containing general instructions, which could in fact be those goals), from the tokens you supplied it and from a history of tokens you have shared with it previously, chosen non-deterministically with weights from training. The hidden system prompt can make a base model behave in many different ways, despite how its trained or programmed, because it sets the context. IOW, tokens were likely prepended to your question such as "...you are a helpful assistant. your goals are...." and processed along with your question, and it regurgitated the system prompt like a parrot. Ex:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PromptEngineering/comments/1j5mca4/i_made_chatgpt_45_leak_its_system_prompt/

Training is the process of using an automated technique called "gradient descent" in which "loss" is minimized by means of guessing weights in tiny increments. In fact, you can have two models using the exact same source code that have completely different weights based on their training material (and thereby give drastically different answers). You can even have models with slightly different weights that are trained on the exact same corpus.

The Karparthy Zero to Hero really breaks it down in a neat way. Its a parlor trick.

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Bernie vs. Claude [View all] Quixote1818 20 hrs ago OP
Don't like a thing about this. Tells him what he wants to hear. An Infamous MAGA get same answers to same questions? IA8IT 19 hrs ago #1
Bernie, like most everyone here, understands the implications and societal costs of AI. Gaugamela 19 hrs ago #3
The Waterboy was released in 1998 IA8IT 19 hrs ago #4
How would 2 people.... RussBLib 18 hrs ago #5
Large Language Models are really non-deterministic (semi-random) number generators HesNotHere 14 hrs ago #8
bernie is asking the right questions rampartd 19 hrs ago #2
Thank you Bernie, for taking on this subject. AI is being pushed down our throats and Marie Marie 15 hrs ago #6
I got more specific answers for some reason, and I think it's interesting. scipan 14 hrs ago #7
LLMs are non-deterministic HesNotHere 14 hrs ago #9
I agree that it doesn't "know" anything, but it does alot more than just predicting the next token. scipan 13 hrs ago #10
No, it doesn't. HesNotHere 11 hrs ago #11
Number generator? Even parallel processors work in binary numbers, don't they? scipan 10 hrs ago #12
I disagree about its intent. scipan 10 hrs ago #13
Training is not programming. HesNotHere 10 hrs ago #14
It's a form of programming. Training is probably a better word. scipan 7 hrs ago #17
Training is not programming HesNotHere 7 hrs ago #20
BTW, if people can come to a real understanding of what is happening under the hood... HesNotHere 9 hrs ago #15
I know, it's scary nt scipan 7 hrs ago #18
Last thing....if you use your cellphone to ask ChatGPT what the solution is Fermi's Paradox... HesNotHere 9 hrs ago #16
Also no warp drive or Crucible scipan 7 hrs ago #19
I play with it and work with it too HesNotHere 7 hrs ago #21
Hell, give it an arm, and a goat, and maybe a few more updates. scipan 7 hrs ago #23
Side note, warp drive misses the point of the sad joke of the universe HesNotHere 7 hrs ago #22
Yeah it's not looking good. nt scipan 6 hrs ago #24
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