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AverageOldGuy

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Fri Apr 3, 2026, 03:13 PM Friday

About the F-15 downed over Iran [View all]

The missing aircrew member.

It now appears that the US aircraft downed over Iran was an F-15 with a crew of two. One was reportedly rescued and a search and rescue (SAR) operation is going on for the other one.

Let’s talk about what happens to the aircrew of a high-performance aircraft like the F-15 when things turn to shit.

THEY DIE. If the aircraft is (1) hit with any kind of fire – missile, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile, machine gun fire, a lucky shot from and AK-47 on the ground; or, (2) something breaks inside the aircraft, either way, it’s all over. Pieces of flesh and body parts may be recovered if the whole thing doesn’t burn to a crisp.

THEY EJECT. The movies make this look exciting and romantic. It’s not. The F-15 typically cruises at 570–650 mph, may slow to around 200 mph to identify a target.

Each crewmember sits in a specially-made-to-fit ejection seat with a rocket on the bottom and a parachute in the top. The guy in the front seat drives the airplane and fires the weapons; the back seater can fly the thing as well as fire the weapons but his main job is to manage the electronics – detect and jam radar, identify targets, and the like.

The canopy is in two pieces because they two crewmembers eject separately – the guy in the back punches out first, then the front seater after a 2 second (?) delay – this prevents them from killing each other by colliding in their ejection seats. There have been incidents where the back seater pulled his ejection handle, it did not work, the front seater went out first, the back seater rode it in. Also vice versa.

To eject: Hunker down in a tight bundle, arms and legs tight to the seat; reach up, pull down an ejection curtain that’s built into the back seat and should protect you from the worst of the blast of air when you pop out; pull the ejection handle between your legs; the rocket in your seat explodes and fires you out of the bird with the speed of a bullet. After a short delay, the chute opens.

A lot of things can happen.

Flail injuries – exactly what they say. Try this – get in a car, someone else driving, get up to 75 mph, roll down the window, stick your head and one arm out into the wind stream. Now, imagine doing that at 300 MPH – arms and legs can be ripped up, flail around, break, pop out of socket.

Chute failure – you can guess what this causes.

THEY MAY SURVIVE EJECTION.

Landing after ejecting is not like the Army’s Golden Knights parachute team landing softly on a football field. This is a guy, scared shitless, possibly injured, maybe not even conscious. The seat is designed for the occupant to land in it safely. That’s what it’s designed for. Real life does not always follow the design.

So now you are on the ground.

Where the fuck am I? Why does my right leg not work? Are those guys running toward me with pitchforks friendly or not?

The seat has in it a BEEPER – a radio transmitter, operating on a fixed emergency frequency, sending out an audible beep-beep-beep. Rescue aircraft can home in on it . . . until the battery runs out.

The guy on the ground has an emergency radio, a beeper that he activates, a few flares, and a pistol.

SAR crews are listening for beepers as well as calling the missing guy’s call sign on the emergency frequency.

Remember the EC-3 electornic control aircraft that the Iranians – with Russian targeting assistance – destroyed on the ground in Saudi Arabia last week? There should be an EC-3 in the air that can pinpoint where the F-15 got into trouble and where it disappeared from radar. That’s probably why one crewmember was rescued.

I’m an optimist but I’m not holding out a lot of hope for the missing guy. Best we can hope for is he will be captured. Unlike Hegseth, I suspect the Iranians will treat him much better than we are treating them.

This is NOT a goddam video game. People get killed doing this shit and when it's over they do not get up, dust themselves off, and get back into the game.

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About the F-15 downed over Iran [View all] AverageOldGuy Friday OP
This war is only real for the military involved and those that really care about Whyisthisstillclose Friday #1
... sporting event,... magicarpet Friday #5
This message was self-deleted by its author graycampervan Friday #60
Good info. As I understand it, getting one or both legs broken during the ejection is not uncommon at all underpants Friday #2
Spinal compression. Arthur_Frain Friday #8
I would think so yeah. I know a certain number a parachute jumps underpants Friday #12
Back when I was in they were limited to 3 ejections... Wounded Bear Friday #14
It actually has changed InstantGratification Friday #59
You get grounded for losing 2 aircraft... druidity33 Friday #52
Great post fujiyamasan Friday #3
From the vision of the fighter pilot,.. magicarpet Friday #4
There were several planes shot down by friendly fire at the very beginning of this war Fiendish Thingy Friday #6
His post is accurate. Ejecting is a very violent process, and injuries due to ejection are common...nt Wounded Bear Friday #15
I object to this statement: Fiendish Thingy Friday #27
He clearly said, they die or eject, or at least it was clear to me questionseverything Friday #30
Seems like a pattern. Brenda Friday #32
He was a bit unclear. He was offering scenarios... Wounded Bear Friday #35
Why do you do this? You could have easily contacted the OP privately or at the least been polite. Joinfortmill Friday #41
I didn't intend to be rude Fiendish Thingy Friday #51
That was the first of two outcomes explained. Pacifist Patriot Yesterday #69
Let's get real here. The difference between dying instantly or walking away is pure luck. flashman13 Friday #43
Define safety. littlemissmartypants Friday #18
There is a video shot in Kuwait of a pilot standing calmly immediately after landing Fiendish Thingy Friday #22
Define safely. littlemissmartypants Friday #23
And by the way, I can think of at least one person... littlemissmartypants Friday #25
Thank you for this info! nt City Lights Friday #7
While one would expect capturing and keeping alive to be the rational move for Iran's leadership RockRaven Friday #9
And some Iranians have had non-combatant loved ones killed, .... 70sEraVet Yesterday #68
I very much appreciate your non-video game description. democrank Friday #10
My brother flew both f15 and f16 in the first Iraq war Lifeafter70 Friday #11
Your post reminds me of the YouTube video PCIntern Friday #13
I have a friend who has actually ejected from an F-15. He said once is enough Callie1979 Friday #16
Thank you. niyad Friday #17
A uh-60 Blackhawk was also apparently hit. James48 Friday #19
The pilots are war criminals at this point Eddie Haskell 60 Friday #20
That's nonsense ornotna Friday #29
Pilots know the destruction they wield Eddie Haskell 60 Friday #31
When's the last time a US war was "declared"? EX500rider Friday #38
that's all true Eddie Haskell 60 Friday #39
Many war crimes are committed in all wars, declared or not EX500rider Friday #40
yep Eddie Haskell 60 Friday #42
Quite the unsuprorted assertion Torchlight Friday #54
Horseshit. 11 Bravo Friday #57
I know truth is uncomfortable Eddie Haskell 60 Yesterday #74
Loss of life is horrible. Loss of a highly trained, experienced specialist pilot is even worse. littlemissmartypants Friday #21
All I know is Trump has created a mess newdeal2 Friday #24
That's all you or any of us need to know. calimary Yesterday #65
Thank you! nt wiggs Friday #26
Thanks For The Info Coolgoober Friday #28
I have seen stories that the second guy is alive and back in Iraq now relayerbob Friday #33
Sheesh... I hope you're right. calimary Yesterday #64
Thank you for that horrifying but detailed description, AOG. Buddyzbuddy Friday #34
That ejection True Dough Friday #36
There are really no words, people. Just read it. Joinfortmill Friday #37
Rethuglicans are the worst enemy America has ever had. OMGWTF Friday #44
I would urge those fujiyamasan Friday #45
Interesting information but I stopped when his hand went through his glasses and into his face. I suspected AI. chowder66 Friday #55
Good catch. AZ8theist Yesterday #71
I thought maybe he's neurodivergent for a second. I checked below for the disclaimer chowder66 Yesterday #73
Thanks, I'll admit I didn't watch the whole thing fujiyamasan Yesterday #75
Mostly correct RoseTrellis Friday #46
I would say BEFORE you can be even considered to hold the SECDEF position, you need to experience ALL the training level usaf-vet Friday #47
I'd be happy with someone loyal to the constitution Mysterian Friday #49
According to my brother the training doesn't end Lifeafter70 Friday #56
Don't forget, experience being waterboarded. LudwigPastorius Yesterday #62
Thanks for this, NotSoAverageOldGuy.. Permanut Friday #48
Ditto, Permanut. ancianita Yesterday #66
Trump and Hegseth are treating this like a Hollywood Movie 3825-87867 Friday #50
God bless you for putting the truth out orangecrush Friday #53
You do NOT 'land in the seat' RetiredParatrooper Friday #58
This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Friday #61
My heart is heavy Puppyjive Yesterday #63
Iranian military personnel might treat a downed American pilot relatively well. cab67 Yesterday #67
Great post. Life is precious. Let's not forget. twodogsbarking Yesterday #70
It's upsetting that we haven't heard the condition of any of the other wounded or pilots Walleye Yesterday #72
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