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WhiskeyGrinder

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Sun Apr 12, 2026, 12:30 PM
2 hrs ago
Where does it end? Seriously.
Where does what end? People being held accountable for hurting other people?

Is it going to be Mark Kelley next? Maybe James Talarico, right? I mean, at what point does it just get absurd?
It is indeed absurd when people we think we can trust prove that they are not. They should do better.

Dems are so anxious to show that they don't condone sexual assault that they forget the very basis of law in that someone is innocent until proven guilty.
The problem with believing that The Law is the only thing to establish Things That Are True is that only a fraction of sexual assaults are reported to law enforcement, and only a fraction of those cases ever result in a conviction. We all know someone who was raped even thought that "rape" was never established as a legal fact.

It would not hurt Pelosi or Schumer or Porter to wait a couple of days before jumping on the bandwagon of throwing Swalwell under the bus. It makes them look way too reactive in my opinion.
On the contrary, it indicates that this is not a surprise to them. They believe it happened, because there have been credible rumors and stories shared behind the scenes for a long time.

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I may get banned for this, but [View all] grumpyduck Yesterday OP
I'm not saying he is innocent, but I do believe the timing stinks of rat fuckery. SheltieLover Yesterday #1
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Yesterday #3
I was with you until I saw 'FOUR WOMEN' RandomNumbers Yesterday #7
Has anyone credible asked them why they waited until now? SheltieLover Yesterday #9
Victims in cases like these will often come forward when they see that someone they know as a predator or pest is about WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #24
Scattered throughout the CNN article, which is long RandomNumbers Yesterday #27
That is, indeed, a commonality among sexual assault survivors, but I'm still reserving judgment. SheltieLover Yesterday #28
Good point and I mostly agree with you. Time should tell. RandomNumbers Yesterday #35
And, at least, the alleged victims were not children! SheltieLover Yesterday #67
I agree with you. I think everyone involved .. Women, men, witnesses should take a polygraph. Trueblue1968 23 hrs ago #92
Because Swallwell has been outspoken about kraznov. SheltieLover 23 hrs ago #93
I have been thinking of polygraphs as a complainant myself jfz9580m 16 hrs ago #131
an ABSOLUTELY common dynamic in sexual assault .. - - - - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Yesterday #32
Maybe he's skilled at gaslighting wolfie001 Yesterday #70
"why did you wait ?" is an age old question that has an unfortunate history of being weaponized .... stopdiggin Yesterday #31
Here are some resources on why many victims don't come forward EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #34
Fun fact: It was George Conway (the former Mr. Kellyanne Conway) who told E. Jean Carroll to file a suit against T💩p. OMGWTF Yesterday #40
I didn't know that. EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #41
Politico says they've seen a written confidentiality and non-disparagement agreement muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #50
If it was pukes, not fooled Yesterday #65
You must be male..... Biglinda 52 Yesterday #78
I am not male & am a strong feminist with a strong bs sniffer & this stinks! SheltieLover Yesterday #79
My beloved lover of Shelties... mr715 23 hrs ago #90
Most of the bottom tier Dems in the race should've pulled out, imo &, in fact that they didn't makes me wonder how many SheltieLover 23 hrs ago #94
Because he can read social media? EdmondDantes_ 3 hrs ago #141
Exactly, and right through the whole "Me Too!" movement. pandr32 21 hrs ago #113
But four women all now? hamsterjill Yesterday #22
I don't know either, Jill, but phone numbers can be spoofed and we know ruskies are great at hacking... SheltieLover Yesterday #26
Agreed, Sheltie. hamsterjill 23 hrs ago #97
I'm on the fence too RandomNumbers Yesterday #30
The unfortunate thing is that he'll already be cancelled. hamsterjill 22 hrs ago #98
I have no idea soldierant 17 hrs ago #128
Please don't. hamsterjill 15 hrs ago #132
Not underage perhaps, but unable to consent, and on the lower end of the power dynamic RandomNumbers 4 hrs ago #139
I acknowledge your opinion. hamsterjill 2 hrs ago #144
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So every man accused should just quit politics automatically? hamsterjill 1 hr ago #147
Taking a bad-faith reading of my posts might make you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that people HAVE been WhiskeyGrinder 1 hr ago #148
I've never heard anything about Swalwell before that was concerning. hamsterjill 1 min ago #149
California's jungle primary is weird. DemocratSinceBirth Yesterday #45
You get it FHRRK1 20 hrs ago #118
D versus R we win. D versus D we win. DemocratSinceBirth 20 hrs ago #121
I remember several women coming forward after Tara Reade. pandr32 Yesterday #85
This message was self-deleted by its author usedtobedemgurl 22 hrs ago #103
Dangle $1 million each SonOfNebanaube 22 hrs ago #102
I was skeptical about one accuser, as she had a continuing relationship, but with four accusers? Nah, bye Eric Pompoy 12 hrs ago #136
I saw the four women thing too. Linda ladeewolf 3 hrs ago #143
Why? Having Swalwell drop out now helps Democrats. yardwork Yesterday #11
That's the problem with CA's jungle primary DemocratSinceBirth Yesterday #49
Someone will. That's a certainty. paleotn Yesterday #61
Swalwell is finished. DemocratSinceBirth Yesterday #68
Yes, he is finished. But that's not the end of the world. paleotn Yesterday #71
Four accusers whose accounts have been corroborated DemocratSinceBirth Yesterday #75
Putting on a Pedestal Is One Thing WizumbODaSage 23 hrs ago #88
So Do I WiVoter Yesterday #15
It was self sabotage Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #2
Sometimes Democrats need math lessons OR, they need to think of the party before themselves. LeftInTX 20 hrs ago #123
Reason No. I-Lost-Count why victims don't speak out: They're seen as saboteurs. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #4
These threads.... smh. yardwork Yesterday #12
It's sad that we're still doing this EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #13
He can still run. As a Republican n/t leftstreet Yesterday #5
If he could up his numbers to double digits he could be a GOP presidential nominee in 2028. Vinca Yesterday #16
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #6
Speaking of banning... EYESORE 9001 Yesterday #19
Darn!!! Did I just miss a visit from our resident troll??? niyad Yesterday #37
How INTERESTING......... some_of_us_are_sane Yesterday #20
Hmmmmm, one of our resident trolls, perhaps? And I missed them! niyad Yesterday #39
Yes, the library must be closed today. Spazito Yesterday #44
LOL!! some_of_us_are_sane Yesterday #74
Probably niyad some_of_us_are_sane Yesterday #69
Definitely not her first post BumRushDaShow Yesterday #60
That doesn't really make sense, though. yardwork Yesterday #8
This +1 Emile Yesterday #14
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/primary-elections-california mikewv Yesterday #21
Yep Lifeafter70 21 hrs ago #110
Yes, this is a good point. True Dough Yesterday #23
Ah but this is why it is such a cunning plot. Disaffected Yesterday #36
And.....? yardwork Yesterday #53
How many of those Dems have been as vocal as Swalwell against Piggy? MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #51
It's not a democratic primary, it's a " jungle " primary questionseverything Yesterday #55
so all these former Democratic staffers - have reemerged as Republican operatives .. ? stopdiggin Yesterday #10
You are 100% correct ABC123Easy Yesterday #17
It's a lot better for these accusations to have come out now, LisaL Yesterday #18
I am a Katie Porter fan myself! BlueMTexpat Yesterday #25
It wouldn't surprise me if it came from a Democrat. Renew Deal Yesterday #29
I have to agree, so much infighting. 😔 nt Raine 17 hrs ago #129
Roger Stone did it to Al Franken. The Wizard Yesterday #33
Took 3 weeks and 6 additional women accusing Franken before the calls to resign EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #38
in Franken's case, Stone definitely got the ball rolling but yes, Franken chose to resign. He wasn't forced out. LymphocyteLover Yesterday #43
I don't think so. Think of it as a blessing this came out now and not further down the road. LymphocyteLover Yesterday #42
Agree mikewv Yesterday #47
I sure hope so! LymphocyteLover 20 hrs ago #122
Absolutely. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #46
Tee yourself up and guess what happens? FiveFifteen Yesterday #48
Sigh. So, we're still not believing the women. Political party doesn't matter, it's all about not believing the women. mucholderthandirt Yesterday #52
So we should hang a man before we have any evidence? Autumn 21 hrs ago #108
100% this obamanut2012 Yesterday #54
Why are these allegations only surfacing now? dlk Yesterday #56
Did you doubt E Jean Carroll or Christine Blasey Ford? EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #64
Apparently you missed the line in my post, "Women should be believed" dlk 21 hrs ago #111
One of the incidents was in 2024. And it often happens that after some woman finally comes forward, pnwmom 9 hrs ago #138
Has Eric responded? GreenWave Yesterday #57
He did apologize to his wife for "past errors" whatever that means. Otherwise it was a denial. 33taw Yesterday #73
It means he had lots of extramarital sex. mr715 13 hrs ago #133
Simply stating what he said. I don't have enough info to have an opinion. 33taw 13 hrs ago #134
Conspiracy theories always going to happen. Jacson6 Yesterday #58
Better chance? How about just slightly above zero chance. paleotn Yesterday #59
See if there is some outfit that is bankrolling them. valleyrogue Yesterday #62
This perspective is bullshit. hunter Yesterday #63
And these are very serious allegations jfz9580m 20 hrs ago #120
I agree. Remember Joe Biden. Let's get to the truth. Joinfortmill Yesterday #66
It's the double standard Ibapah Yesterday #72
Where is Roger stone in this? UpInArms Yesterday #76
I thought you were going to say how our supposed ally, Israel, is really screwing the USA over and over. My mistake. nt Exp Yesterday #77
We should know our candidates better. When they tell you who they are the first time believe them. Walleye Yesterday #80
"repugs are playing chess while the Democrats are playing checkers." J_William_Ryan Yesterday #81
I read the San Francisco Chronicle article this morning. cksmithy Yesterday #82
He deserves the same hearing as the Dem refused Franken RVN VET71 Yesterday #83
Actually that is not likely to be true karynnj Yesterday #84
Didn't 16 or 17 women accuse TrumpenFuhrer of the same thing and REPUBLICANS DIDNT CARE??? NoMoreRepugs Yesterday #86
I think the number was higher than that MustLoveBeagles 13 hrs ago #135
Yes, if Swalwell is responsible for sexual assault, he needs be held to account Grim Chieftain Yesterday #87
They did this to Al Franklin too (nt) Pluvious 23 hrs ago #89
If he didn't do anything wrong IMO he should stay in the gov race and immediately file a lawsuit in2herbs 23 hrs ago #91
No mater what, the timing is sus SpankMe 23 hrs ago #95
it doesn't "prove that men are scum" Skittles 22 hrs ago #100
Maybe a good time for this RoseTrellis 23 hrs ago #96
I don't think so... WarGamer 22 hrs ago #99
Why isn't abuse believed pattyloutwo 22 hrs ago #101
Exactly, this is a hit job. Initech 22 hrs ago #104
The reactions here spotlight the hypocrisy of the republicans liberal N proud 22 hrs ago #105
No matter what he is guilty of making bad decisions!!! Pisces 22 hrs ago #106
I'm a California voter... GJGCA 22 hrs ago #107
I love the quote, ""Love is not love / Which alters when it alteration finds / Or bends with the remover to remove." Martin68 21 hrs ago #109
Epanalepsis, on the other hand... GJGCA 21 hrs ago #112
Love the Virginia Wolf quote. Martin68 3 hrs ago #142
they are at war, we are playing by the rules. pansypoo53219 20 hrs ago #114
They have abandoned the rules especially the rule of law. live love laugh 20 hrs ago #117
full scale cheating for sure. pansypoo53219 16 hrs ago #130
Swalwell"s Staff Has Thrown Him Under the Bus Locutusofborg 20 hrs ago #115
Who always benefits from these things? That's where the focus should also be. live love laugh 20 hrs ago #116
This news about Swalwell sucks.... but IcyPeas 20 hrs ago #119
Face the facts.. raising2moredems 18 hrs ago #124
I think the difference is that the republicans support the nastiest, hidden elements of the government. They are the LT Barclay 18 hrs ago #125
I hear roger stone was in on this Clouds Passing 18 hrs ago #126
Until there is proof of misconduct he should not step down. If kacekwl 18 hrs ago #127
So Katie Porter isn't electable because she used a swear word, but we're supposed pnwmom 9 hrs ago #137
I don't know. There's a lot of Democrats running which is being reported splits the vote and allowing the 2 Rs to Jbraybarten 4 hrs ago #140
This is just pure nonsense. The only ones who want Swalwell to stay in the race at this point are Republicans. tritsofme 1 hr ago #146
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