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liberalgunwilltravel

(1,248 posts)
21. I'm Sorry but what you say is not the whole story.
Wed May 13, 2026, 03:42 PM
16 hrs ago

What you're saying in true to a certain extent. But much of the environmental and human cost is due to the typical negligence of all extraction industries, much of which can be ameliorated with proper regulation. Of course that will increase cost, but the end result will likely be worth it. However, battery and solar technology are improving rapidly and the use of fewer rare earth minerals is also being reduced. Fe2+/Fe3+ batteries that are larger and heavier than lithium ion batteries and aren't suitable for transportation, but they can be used for large scale industrial level storage. Additionally, there are other ways of storing solar energy than just batteries. And the land use argument is a red herring. Rooftop solar doesn't take up any additional land and can be used in industrial settings as well as for residential applications. However, what is important is that progress continues to make more efficient and more environmentally and labor friendly processes.

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OMFG Chicagogrl1 17 hrs ago #1
MTG got ridiculed for saying the same thing... regnaD kciN 17 hrs ago #2
He's never seen the solar path lights they sell in the stores dalton99a 17 hrs ago #3
I have four different sets of them in my garden and by my door. niyad 16 hrs ago #11
Thanks for that. I don't have outside outlets and would like to have lights outside. Just hadn't thought it through Amaryllis 10 hrs ago #75
You are most welcome. There are so many kinds available. Have fun choosing! niyad 10 hrs ago #76
Costco has had some pretty ones in the past. AllyCat 8 hrs ago #86
Burgum wanting a rational discussion on subject he doesn't understand. txwhitedove 17 hrs ago #4
you can't understand something when your livelihood depends on ignorance DBoon 16 hrs ago #23
... eppur_se_muova 14 hrs ago #58
He understands it. He misinforms, gaslights, obfuscates, lies by design. LuvLoogie 13 hrs ago #61
Sinclair Lewis understood Burgum's ilk charliea 12 hrs ago #66
He cannot possibly be this stupid mcar 17 hrs ago #5
Of course he can! Why do you think the puppeteers chose him? niyad 16 hrs ago #7
He, like the rest of the minions, sold his soul to TSF mcar 16 hrs ago #9
You are assuming that they had souls to sell? niyad 16 hrs ago #12
Good point mcar 14 hrs ago #54
One of two things is true of Burgum meow2u3 17 hrs ago #6
He could be that dumb, and still helping to line the pockets of the niyad 16 hrs ago #8
Extraction, vulture capitalism's engine burns fossil fuel Magoo48 15 hrs ago #42
He seriously just might be that dumb Seinan Sensei 14 hrs ago #49
Both could be true... AZ8theist 4 hrs ago #92
Actually, the belief that batteries are sustainable is... NNadir 16 hrs ago #10
What are suggesting instead? MadameButterfly 16 hrs ago #15
I willingly take some flak for my position that there is... NNadir 16 hrs ago #19
Nuclear has a role to play liberalgunwilltravel 16 hrs ago #22
I am an expert on this topic, having studied it for decades. NNadir 16 hrs ago #25
Nuclear is fine as part of the solution liberalgunwilltravel 16 hrs ago #28
I am always asked this question, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. NNadir 15 hrs ago #36
For the uninitiated (like me), DME stands for dimethyl ether. TheRickles 14 hrs ago #52
I do not support DME from dangerous natural gas. As is the case with hydrogen itself, exergy is destroyed under... NNadir 14 hrs ago #55
I heard that we can't produce the steel needed for SMRs anymore. SonOfNebanaube 10 hrs ago #79
Chornobyl converted me from being an uneducated antinuke to a well educated nuclear advocate. NNadir 1 hr ago #93
If you remember the remark made by the nonscientist, Louis Strauss, the "bad guy" in the movie Oppenheimer... NNadir 1 hr ago #94
The finest minds of the 21st century understand that nuclear energy is not the only form of sustainable energy. thought crime 8 hrs ago #84
Maybe nuclear? Mossfern 16 hrs ago #20
You need power liberalgunwilltravel 15 hrs ago #30
Thanks Mossfern 14 hrs ago #59
Hydrogen, whether generated by clean nuclear power or by so called "renewable energy" is a terrible idea as a... NNadir 15 hrs ago #41
Thank you Mossfern 14 hrs ago #60
Well the good thing about admitting one knows little - the excellent thing in fact - is that one's mind is open. NNadir 13 hrs ago #63
This message was self-deleted by its author MadameButterfly 16 hrs ago #16
I'm Sorry but what you say is not the whole story. liberalgunwilltravel 16 hrs ago #21
At Field Station Berlin we used lead-acid batteries in our powerhouse jmowreader 14 hrs ago #48
Hmm... the smell: would exposure be detrimental w all that lead or a short time there would prevent that electric_blue68 14 hrs ago #56
Once the lead is cast into plates and fixed into a cell it's no problem, so long as it stays there jmowreader 8 hrs ago #87
chemical batteries are only one type of battery lapfog_1 15 hrs ago #32
LFP batteries don't have cobalt (or even nickel) however. Disaffected 15 hrs ago #38
It's always something tomorrow. hunter 14 hrs ago #53
Fusion energy and the hydrogen economy are very iffy alright but, Disaffected 11 hrs ago #73
Magic in the sense that they would allow us to quit both fossil fuels and nuclear power. hunter 8 hrs ago #89
I don't think anyone is seriously claiming batteries will reach utopia, Disaffected 6 hrs ago #91
The Trump administration is trying to boost nuclear energy thought crime 8 hrs ago #88
I have spent decades in the primary scientific literature and as a result, I have very little patience for handwaving. NNadir 13 hrs ago #62
Good grief, I'll not waste time trying to respond to all your "points". Disaffected 12 hrs ago #68
I think we have talked about this before. I am hearing that there are companies that PatrickforB 14 hrs ago #46
In applications that are not sensitive to energy density, USAF Brat 14 hrs ago #57
Rs also like to say when there's no wind blowing KS Toronado 16 hrs ago #13
🤣🤣🤣 ultralite001 16 hrs ago #14
I had an experience several months ago with a MAGA about wind energy storage. wnylib 12 hrs ago #70
He know that.. he's Trumps jester. BradBo 16 hrs ago #17
Literally... BurnDoubt 16 hrs ago #18
This old girl would just say, it seems it can get complicated. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #24
Batteries are a regressive tax on low income people... hunter 16 hrs ago #26
LOL popsdenver 15 hrs ago #44
Hoover dam has never produced as much electricity in a single year... hunter 12 hrs ago #67
I guess popsdenver 12 hrs ago #69
The argument against renewable energy is an alternative form of climate change denial. thought crime 14 hrs ago #47
"the sole purpose of which is to assuage the guilt that affluent people feel for their environmentally destructive lifes DBoon 8 hrs ago #85
Doh! Dave Bowman 16 hrs ago #27
Well, batteries Manatee 16 hrs ago #29
Ouch! Chasstev365 15 hrs ago #31
My outdoor solar lights stay on all night. Are they possessed? twodogsbarking 15 hrs ago #33
The lengths these... relogic 15 hrs ago #34
Yes, and when the sun goes down there is no photosynthesis and the plants all die. dedl67 15 hrs ago #35
+1 dalton99a 15 hrs ago #40
BURGUM... littlemissmartypants 15 hrs ago #37
An overly simple idea Crawford 15 hrs ago #39
Enough with these "The gentleman..." swong19104 15 hrs ago #43
"Are you a fucking idiot?I love that. Buddyzbuddy 14 hrs ago #50
The same basic argument is made for wind jmowreader 14 hrs ago #45
I covered the absurdity of this argument previously, discussing the amount of cobalt required to cover a month of... NNadir 14 hrs ago #51
The Tesla 3 battery, the one "currently" manufactured Disaffected 9 hrs ago #83
Good one. Please explain this very novel and new concept to me. Thanks. efhmc 13 hrs ago #64
He is his boss's servant D_Master81 13 hrs ago #65
Although Solar Syastems produce NO POWER at night... WarGamer 12 hrs ago #71
That moment of "sunlight" exposed Burgum to be oasis 11 hrs ago #72
According to Bergum, solar is "intermittent" and not secure Renew Deal 11 hrs ago #74
They are going to complain that some other power source is interruptable during RockRaven 10 hrs ago #77
Genius that one is BillJoeBobBeauregard 10 hrs ago #78
just have to put in this reply and a response to the reply: orleans 10 hrs ago #80
Is there a Nobel Prize for stupidity? Permanut 9 hrs ago #81
For the next news flash - wind turbines stop generating when there is no wind! Aussie105 9 hrs ago #82
You could put solar panels near hydro dams and applegrove 6 hrs ago #90
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