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stopdiggin

(15,746 posts)
7. disagree (no matter how many times it is repeated)
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 01:40 PM
Jun 2

I have seen Joe Biden in public appearances since the 'disastrous debate' - and I think I (and the nation) could live well (and sleep quite soundly) with the level of acuity on display. Also - not at all convinced (or see sound evidence) that 'another candidate' would have had a better shot of beating Trump. The 'malaise' was baked in, and the electorate was in a 'crappy' mood. As evidenced ... And thirdly - and something that seems to be conveniently passed over or forgotten, by those otherwise accounted politically savvy - is the inherent power of incumbency. Something that no political institution (or player) has ever been happy to lightly p*ss away. Nor should! (have they any sort of political acumen)

The cancer diagnosis is of course another thing ... And, to my knowledge, did not play into ...

But the notion that Joe Biden was a shambling wreck - known to all - during the greater portion of his White House residency ... Belies what many of us saw. And I believe to be a convenient (and opportunistic?) re-write of the actual conditions. And I believe further - that Jill Biden (and many others) were legitimately surprised by the 'debate'.

My two cents. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Her interview on Morning Joe this morning was very good Raven123 Jun 2 #1
"When asked about Trump she simply said she wouldn't talk about him" MIButterfly Jun 2 #2
You mean the lingerie model? Joinfortmill Jun 2 #16
That's a nice way of putting it, but yes, that one MIButterfly Jun 2 #18
I wish Biden well but... tman Jun 2 #3
Why? obamanut2012 Jun 2 #4
The international travel was 12 days before the debate EdmondDantes_ Jun 2 #5
Decline and normal aging are two very different things crimycarny Jun 2 #29
No, I don't think he was. tman Jun 2 #9
I recall Obama's first debate with Romney. 70sEraVet Jun 2 #20
Oh yes, I remember that Obama/Romney debate PatSeg Jun 2 #22
the 'mental fog' and 'diminished figure' has been SO obviously oversold .... - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Jun 2 #10
Yup. So you're sitting offstage and suddenly you think your husband is having a stroke. So you just continue to sit 3Hotdogs Jun 2 #21
disagree (no matter how many times it is repeated) stopdiggin Jun 2 #7
And the camera man didn't help. Let me tell you... Joinfortmill Jun 2 #17
I couldn't agree more MustLoveBeagles Jun 2 #19
I agree PatSeg Jun 2 #23
"But - if he had just bowed out sooner ... " Bullcrap !! . . - - - - - - - - - - (nt)- stopdiggin Jun 2 #26
Seriously PatSeg Wednesday #36
Agree 100% crimycarny Jun 2 #32
I remember that a number of people understood why Biden would run again... CBHagman Jun 2 #33
She is saying he would have won if he had stayed in MichMan Jun 2 #8
I sitll think it's possible! LymphocyteLover Jun 2 #11
Joe Biden very possibly had a better shot than Kamala stopdiggin Jun 2 #13
Even a Biden at half-speed was still infinitely superior than Trump, as was Kamala. Tommy Carcetti Jun 2 #24
He said in 2'0 he'd probably be a 1 term president. We SHOULD have had a primary. Callie1979 Jun 2 #25
When he won the 2020 primaries, i knew we were in trouble in 2024. dem4decades Jun 2 #30
Not if he'd stuck with what he initially said. IMO anyway. Callie1979 Wednesday #39
I agree, it would still have been a tough row to hoe. dem4decades Wednesday #40
Oh, they're going to blame Biden till 1/29! Callie1979 Wednesday #41
Joe delayed retirement to save us from Trump. Glad he stepped up.. Politics is ugly. Hindsight is easy. twodogsbarking Jun 2 #6
Indeed. And not often mentioned is that he was integral in getting Finland to join NATO Bongo Prophet Wednesday #37
- Lemon Lyman Jun 2 #12
I didn't see any of it, but maybe Rita was still upset about losing Rob DFW Wednesday #35
Thank you for a nice post! BidenRocks Jun 2 #14
I Second That! Joinfortmill Jun 2 #15
"But - if he had just bowed out sooner ... " Bullcrap !! . . - - - - - - - - - - (nt)- stopdiggin Jun 2 #27
I for the life of me kacekwl Jun 2 #28
Trump's performance was disqualifying.... MervinFerd Jun 2 #31
And people lost confidence in him because... Trueblue Texan Wednesday #34
Exactly TT popsdenver Wednesday #38
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