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H2O Man

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84. That's great
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 06:41 PM
Jun 2

Whatever works for you is fine by me.

It was in my grandfather's middle adulthood that the Irish Catholics were deemed "white" by WASP society. It was in my lifetime that there was anti-Irish Catholics in the area where I grew up. And I have heard similar echoes of that aimed at parts of my family, who are black, brown, yellow, and red.

There is some degree of privilege in my status. If I get pulled over for speeding, I am confident the police will approach and treat me differently than they would the black and brown nephews I have. When I was young, I had another privilege: as they were first generation, a significant number of my father's 13 siblings were in law enforcement or intelligence. Hence, as when I was young was the only time when I ever drove fast, when pulled over, I had an advantage. After looking at my license, most cops would say, "Are you ________'s son?" I'd say, "Oh, you know Dad?" I would get scolded for speeding, and it would disappoint Dad should he find out. I've never been at risk for being shot due to skin pigment.

I am in frequent contact with my relatives in Ireland. I have real concerns about some of the news coming from the Old Sod. There is a lot of hate being focused on non-white immigrant communities, including from some family members. It is as if they have forgotten our relatives killed in The Troubles. Learn to appreciate and respect people who are different than you are. Things go better that way, for in violent times, everyone suffers.

I've never cared how anyone else self-identifies. Whatever works for them. Nor have I ever cared about what people who don't know me catagories me as. I will say that, with nothing to do with how you identify, much less than how others do, I think you are a good person. And that's all that counts.

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Perhaps, the White Men don't understand the imposter syndrum. chouchou Jun 2 #1
I love Michelle, but yeah... NO. I suffer from that almost every day. Happy Hoosier Jun 2 #2
Yes there are non-elite white men malaise Jun 2 #6
It was clear H2O Man Jun 2 #22
Agree malaise Jun 2 #30
Please explain it then, is she only talking the upper crust hoity toity stuff? questionseverything Jun 2 #33
"at every powerful table there is" H2O Man Jun 2 #59
Respectfully, she sits at the highest table. mr715 Jun 2 #66
I'm fine with H2O Man Jun 2 #68
I assume no one sits near those tables. mr715 Jun 2 #69
Right. H2O Man Jun 2 #75
I'm not understanding something. mr715 Jun 2 #79
Okay. H2O Man Jun 2 #86
Thank you for taking the time to write this reply to help me understand mr715 Jun 2 #87
Thank you H2O Man Jun 2 #88
This is a perfect example of white privilege: Celerity Jun 2 #82
That's great H2O Man Jun 2 #84
Well said. I share your opinion. NT Happy Hoosier Wednesday #94
She sat at dinner tables not the meeting table... questionseverything Jun 2 #73
Oh H2O Man Jun 2 #76
The Obama White House was pretty transparent about what the president and first family were doing questionseverything Jun 2 #78
Well yes, she could have. H2O Man Jun 2 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author questionseverything Jun 2 #74
Name one time H2O Man Jun 2 #77
That's fair, but... Happy Hoosier Wednesday #93
That would be H2O Man Wednesday #96
I think that you are not alone. I understand what Michelle means, but wnylib Jun 2 #26
ironically in my work -- the imposters never seem to feel like imposters. just arrogant POS JT45242 Jun 2 #31
Agree that impostors nevrr seem to feel like impostors. wnylib Jun 2 #36
Absolutely... furthermore... Happy Hoosier Jun 2 #32
But did THEY acknowledge that they were impostors is the question... live love laugh Wednesday #90
Totally agree. Michelle may not know many working class white men. johnnyplankton Jun 2 #45
You just described me genxlib Jun 2 #56
I'm a white man getting a Ph.D. in neurobiology mr715 Jun 2 #3
Similar here but working in higher level technology OC375 Jun 2 #25
Just be glad your not a white dumbass, like me! Doodley Jun 2 #71
I'm a white dumbass. mr715 Jun 2 #72
I appreciate her candor MustLoveBeagles Jun 2 #4
Funny that it's resulted in some reasoned TheProle Jun 2 #53
She needs to meet more people Renew Deal Jun 2 #5
I'm black but a disagree. tman Jun 2 #7
Trmp at a Mensa meeting would feel that he was among a whole bunch of imposters. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2 #8
Yup. Kid Berwyn Jun 2 #9
Right! H2O Man Jun 2 #24
Well, she certainly hasn't met everyone. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2 #10
Hanks has it because deep down, he knows Peter Scolari was the better actor on "bosom buddies" unblock Jun 2 #13
I've seen astronauts discuss it Sympthsical Jun 2 #15
"When they go low..." mr715 Jun 2 #19
during my work years i occasionally felt like i was faking it. rampartd Jun 2 #11
So that's what it's called... NewHendoLib Jun 2 #12
She doesn't appear to have any close white male friends Bok_Tukalo Jun 2 #14
Hi, Mrs. Obama. I'm Aristus. Nice to meet you. I am a great admirer of you and your husband. Aristus Jun 2 #16
. mr715 Jun 2 #18
All those unqualified white morons in the current administration Americanme Jun 2 #17
I wish there was a pill? Prairie_Seagull Jun 2 #20
Ah, sweet Xanax... mr715 Jun 2 #60
100 percent. nt Prairie_Seagull Wednesday #95
He may not talk about it, but our so-called President has deep insecurity about not being good enough, good looking Sogo Jun 2 #21
And he has never forgiven the New York elites for not malaise Jun 2 #28
Exactly. He will never admit to it, but some tiny part of him... 3catwoman3 Jun 2 #38
Then she should meet me nuxvomica Jun 2 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2 #27
I read it Sympthsical Jun 2 #35
Thank you. I respect Ms Obama, but this is some tone-deaf shit TheProle Jun 2 #42
Oh hell, I'm there Sympthsical Jun 2 #44
Kudos on the courage for a career change TheProle Jun 2 #47
Congrats. mr715 Jun 2 #51
No thank you. H2O Man Jun 2 #54
retirement freed me from imposter syndrome mike_c Jun 2 #29
No offense to her, but I'm guessing she's not really in the same circles as white men who experience imposter syndrome. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2 #34
In creative circles, that's pretty much everyone. C_U_L8R Jun 2 #37
It's the difference between being welcome at the table dlk Jun 2 #39
I'll admit to the imposter syndrome BeneteauBum Jun 2 #40
OK, I looked it up Skittles Jun 2 #46
Thanks Skittles BeneteauBum Jun 2 #62
yup Skittles Jun 2 #83
I wanted to be an estuary ecologist when I was in college. mr715 Jun 2 #57
It was a rewarding career BeneteauBum Jun 2 #65
Both my youngest son and I, white men have experienced it. NNadir Jun 2 #41
IIRC, when asked if she was ever intimidated by these meetings, she said, "No, they're not all that smart." OMGWTF Jun 2 #43
Maybe Michelle Obama had a different meaning FakeNoose Jun 2 #48
I hate to say this: PCIntern Jun 2 #49
She hasn't talked to me. Hassler Jun 2 #50
Sorry Mrs Obama ironman99 Jun 2 #52
I think it's very naive to assume it never happens to white men Skittles Jun 2 #55
Well, I've never heard a black woman talk about impostor syndrome. Intractable Jun 2 #58
That's hyperbolic, and may be true in her experience, but not universally true. Ursus Rex Jun 2 #61
Huge gaffe... gulliver Jun 2 #63
It's clear MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2 #64
Sorry, but she needs to get out more. She hasn't heard about imposter syndrome from white men RockRaven Jun 2 #67
It's a fact that some white men are more insecure or less fortunate than some black men. Doodley Jun 2 #70
I adore her but she's wrong in this. I think most white men suffer from this Iris Jun 2 #80
I don't get the furor misanthrope Jun 2 #85
*headdesk* Does she even know what it is? sakabatou Wednesday #89
I don't by any means sit at the kind of elite tables she's talking about. Jedi Guy Wednesday #91
Michelle apparently never talked to a white man like my boyfriend. Boyfriend said Raine Wednesday #92
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