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H2O Man

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86. Okay.
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 10:14 PM
Jun 2

I will estimate that in 47.6% of my posts over 20+ years on this forum, I have fit the sport of boxing in, even when it doesn't fit, because I am convinced all of life imitates the sport of boxing. I note that one of my good friend's brother-in-law, Jerry Quarry, despised being called "the white hope." When Jerry fought, he was always introduced as Irish Jerry Quarry, which he and his family liked.

Now, I boxed in many, many bouts. Just as when I fought on the undercard of Jerry's brother-in-law's upset victory over a fighter who would soon win a world title, I was always introduced as "Irish." Never once as white. Now, back in that era, there was racism in most all levels of the sport, starting in the locker rooms where different groups of fighters frequently were hostile to other groups. In recent times, when my son and nephew won Golden Gloves titles, I was pleased that this nonsense no longer existed. The fighters were almost all friendly and polite with other folks. I can't say that held for some of the old trainers, but for most.

Now, in each one of his fights, my son was introduced to the crowd as "Irish." Not white, nor was my nephew noted for being black. That is because there is a certain status in the boxing community's expectations of Irish fighters.

Now, I'm very old, surely one of the oldest people in human history, and happiest when I am annoyed by something. Since I love boxers, I will instead focus on the boxing community. Within it, I have noticed that a number of them do something that others, including many of those I otherwise like a great deal, will start a story with, "There was a black guy ...." I know this because, as I self-identify as "Irish," I am able to pass quietly through white society. Not that I am ever silent, of course. But they never start with, "There was a white guy." Now, I'm not suggesting that they are "bad" people, or would consider themselves to be racist. But I notice what words people use.

Fast forward to current events in America today ...... there is a racist fuck in the White House. Lots of them in the administration. By no coincidence, most are white. More, most maga are white. Most racist hate gangs, such as the one that attacked one of my high school nephews, leaving him with life-threatening injuries, were white. The judge that said in open court that he did not think the gang members calling my nephew a "stupid ni___er" indicated race was a factor in the violent crime was white. The white christian nationalists are almost exclusively white, are they not?

So I self-identify as being different than white. One person here called it "white privilege" for me to do this. I call it an obligation as a citizen of the United States that has long been opposed to the racism of white folks. But, again, that's just me. I will add that I live in a house with photographs of my ancestors, both in Ireland and the U.S., who uses the tools my father gave me that his father gave him, who has furniture that my ancestors used, and who has a large labyrinth/garden that literally every visitor has commented "is so Irish. I prepare Irish meals, and find our society's St. Patrick's Day traditions offensive.

Although I might be dull-witted, I have long studied sociology and psychology. My employment has been in both fields. Thus, I am fascinated in various cultures' history and traditions.

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Perhaps, the White Men don't understand the imposter syndrum. chouchou Jun 2 #1
I love Michelle, but yeah... NO. I suffer from that almost every day. Happy Hoosier Jun 2 #2
Yes there are non-elite white men malaise Jun 2 #6
It was clear H2O Man Jun 2 #22
Agree malaise Jun 2 #30
Please explain it then, is she only talking the upper crust hoity toity stuff? questionseverything Jun 2 #33
"at every powerful table there is" H2O Man Jun 2 #59
Respectfully, she sits at the highest table. mr715 Jun 2 #66
I'm fine with H2O Man Jun 2 #68
I assume no one sits near those tables. mr715 Jun 2 #69
Right. H2O Man Jun 2 #75
I'm not understanding something. mr715 Jun 2 #79
Okay. H2O Man Jun 2 #86
Thank you for taking the time to write this reply to help me understand mr715 Jun 2 #87
Thank you H2O Man Jun 2 #88
This is a perfect example of white privilege: Celerity Jun 2 #82
That's great H2O Man Jun 2 #84
Well said. I share your opinion. NT Happy Hoosier Wednesday #94
She sat at dinner tables not the meeting table... questionseverything Jun 2 #73
Oh H2O Man Jun 2 #76
The Obama White House was pretty transparent about what the president and first family were doing questionseverything Jun 2 #78
Well yes, she could have. H2O Man Jun 2 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author questionseverything Jun 2 #74
Name one time H2O Man Jun 2 #77
That's fair, but... Happy Hoosier Wednesday #93
That would be H2O Man Wednesday #96
I think that you are not alone. I understand what Michelle means, but wnylib Jun 2 #26
ironically in my work -- the imposters never seem to feel like imposters. just arrogant POS JT45242 Jun 2 #31
Agree that impostors nevrr seem to feel like impostors. wnylib Jun 2 #36
Absolutely... furthermore... Happy Hoosier Jun 2 #32
But did THEY acknowledge that they were impostors is the question... live love laugh Wednesday #90
Totally agree. Michelle may not know many working class white men. johnnyplankton Jun 2 #45
You just described me genxlib Jun 2 #56
I'm a white man getting a Ph.D. in neurobiology mr715 Jun 2 #3
Similar here but working in higher level technology OC375 Jun 2 #25
Just be glad your not a white dumbass, like me! Doodley Jun 2 #71
I'm a white dumbass. mr715 Jun 2 #72
I appreciate her candor MustLoveBeagles Jun 2 #4
Funny that it's resulted in some reasoned TheProle Jun 2 #53
She needs to meet more people Renew Deal Jun 2 #5
I'm black but a disagree. tman Jun 2 #7
Trmp at a Mensa meeting would feel that he was among a whole bunch of imposters. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2 #8
Yup. Kid Berwyn Jun 2 #9
Right! H2O Man Jun 2 #24
Well, she certainly hasn't met everyone. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2 #10
Hanks has it because deep down, he knows Peter Scolari was the better actor on "bosom buddies" unblock Jun 2 #13
I've seen astronauts discuss it Sympthsical Jun 2 #15
"When they go low..." mr715 Jun 2 #19
during my work years i occasionally felt like i was faking it. rampartd Jun 2 #11
So that's what it's called... NewHendoLib Jun 2 #12
She doesn't appear to have any close white male friends Bok_Tukalo Jun 2 #14
Hi, Mrs. Obama. I'm Aristus. Nice to meet you. I am a great admirer of you and your husband. Aristus Jun 2 #16
. mr715 Jun 2 #18
All those unqualified white morons in the current administration Americanme Jun 2 #17
I wish there was a pill? Prairie_Seagull Jun 2 #20
Ah, sweet Xanax... mr715 Jun 2 #60
100 percent. nt Prairie_Seagull Wednesday #95
He may not talk about it, but our so-called President has deep insecurity about not being good enough, good looking Sogo Jun 2 #21
And he has never forgiven the New York elites for not malaise Jun 2 #28
Exactly. He will never admit to it, but some tiny part of him... 3catwoman3 Jun 2 #38
Then she should meet me nuxvomica Jun 2 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2 #27
I read it Sympthsical Jun 2 #35
Thank you. I respect Ms Obama, but this is some tone-deaf shit TheProle Jun 2 #42
Oh hell, I'm there Sympthsical Jun 2 #44
Kudos on the courage for a career change TheProle Jun 2 #47
Congrats. mr715 Jun 2 #51
No thank you. H2O Man Jun 2 #54
retirement freed me from imposter syndrome mike_c Jun 2 #29
No offense to her, but I'm guessing she's not really in the same circles as white men who experience imposter syndrome. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2 #34
In creative circles, that's pretty much everyone. C_U_L8R Jun 2 #37
It's the difference between being welcome at the table dlk Jun 2 #39
I'll admit to the imposter syndrome BeneteauBum Jun 2 #40
OK, I looked it up Skittles Jun 2 #46
Thanks Skittles BeneteauBum Jun 2 #62
yup Skittles Jun 2 #83
I wanted to be an estuary ecologist when I was in college. mr715 Jun 2 #57
It was a rewarding career BeneteauBum Jun 2 #65
Both my youngest son and I, white men have experienced it. NNadir Jun 2 #41
IIRC, when asked if she was ever intimidated by these meetings, she said, "No, they're not all that smart." OMGWTF Jun 2 #43
Maybe Michelle Obama had a different meaning FakeNoose Jun 2 #48
I hate to say this: PCIntern Jun 2 #49
She hasn't talked to me. Hassler Jun 2 #50
Sorry Mrs Obama ironman99 Jun 2 #52
I think it's very naive to assume it never happens to white men Skittles Jun 2 #55
Well, I've never heard a black woman talk about impostor syndrome. Intractable Jun 2 #58
That's hyperbolic, and may be true in her experience, but not universally true. Ursus Rex Jun 2 #61
Huge gaffe... gulliver Jun 2 #63
It's clear MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2 #64
Sorry, but she needs to get out more. She hasn't heard about imposter syndrome from white men RockRaven Jun 2 #67
It's a fact that some white men are more insecure or less fortunate than some black men. Doodley Jun 2 #70
I adore her but she's wrong in this. I think most white men suffer from this Iris Jun 2 #80
I don't get the furor misanthrope Jun 2 #85
*headdesk* Does she even know what it is? sakabatou Wednesday #89
I don't by any means sit at the kind of elite tables she's talking about. Jedi Guy Wednesday #91
Michelle apparently never talked to a white man like my boyfriend. Boyfriend said Raine Wednesday #92
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