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H2O Man

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88. Thank you
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 11:54 PM
Jun 2

for reading it.

My children have all been to Ireland. The youngest studied at the University of Cork. She and my older daughter searched for a cottage for me to move to. But I am old and prefer to stay here and fight for democracy, the rule of law, and the brotherhood & sisterhood of humanity. Years ago, my late friend Rubin Carter tried to get me, my family, and my nephews to move to Canada before the empire began to crumble more rapidly. The young men all told Rubin that they would rather fight for America. My older daughter, and her husband and baby, currently live in His European country, largely because of this president. But also because it is a society that cares about citizens' well-being, health, and education. My younger daughter has visited them twice, and is thinking of moving there.

On one hand, I feel bad, not only because I might not see them in person much, if at all, but also because my daughters are the type of citizens this country needs in order to heal. On the other hand, I know lives include cycles, and I look at the tin-type picture I have of my grandfather's grandfather, who saw his daughters and granddaughters move to this country. Those women's pictures hang on my walls, and they were among those that contributed to American society.

My first book was about the cultural contributions of the Irish in the northeast, including some of my extended family. The guy who was the most prolific railroad history author in the country used to use my father as a resource. After my father died, he asked me if I knew of the mass-burial of Irish railroad workers near here. The WASP community refused to allow them to be buried near "white people," at the time in the 1800s, the same as with the black people held in slavery here. Of course I knew where this was located.

My daughters and I took him to it, driving through fields and a deep creek. As we sat there, it got quiet, before the author said, "This is lonely. No one knows they are here. No one knows their names." I said we know, and we are here. And if he wanted to know who they were, I'd bring him to my house and show him some old pictures, and tell him some names. Which I did, leading him to say I should write a book from the Irish immigrant point of view. That book paid for three semesters of my younger sons university education.

History fascinates me. I was fortunate to have two great mentors, Hurricane Carter and Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman, each of whom had very different experiences here than white people. I think that society would benefit from learning about other cultures. Enough so, that I taught a sociology course at the local state university, although most of my teaching experience at that level was in the field of psychology. Thus, I consider the concept of "impostor syndrome" in the context of sociology and psychology, often a measure of something I feel bad when good people experience it, likely more common in today's society than at any other time. But a bigger problem in my opinion, is those in this administration, that do not experience it. For they are only interested in the power and comfort of the office, rather than actually doing the job.

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Perhaps, the White Men don't understand the imposter syndrum. chouchou Jun 2 #1
I love Michelle, but yeah... NO. I suffer from that almost every day. Happy Hoosier Jun 2 #2
Yes there are non-elite white men malaise Jun 2 #6
It was clear H2O Man Jun 2 #22
Agree malaise Jun 2 #30
Please explain it then, is she only talking the upper crust hoity toity stuff? questionseverything Jun 2 #33
"at every powerful table there is" H2O Man Jun 2 #59
Respectfully, she sits at the highest table. mr715 Jun 2 #66
I'm fine with H2O Man Jun 2 #68
I assume no one sits near those tables. mr715 Jun 2 #69
Right. H2O Man Jun 2 #75
I'm not understanding something. mr715 Jun 2 #79
Okay. H2O Man Jun 2 #86
Thank you for taking the time to write this reply to help me understand mr715 Jun 2 #87
Thank you H2O Man Jun 2 #88
This is a perfect example of white privilege: Celerity Jun 2 #82
That's great H2O Man Jun 2 #84
Well said. I share your opinion. NT Happy Hoosier Wednesday #94
She sat at dinner tables not the meeting table... questionseverything Jun 2 #73
Oh H2O Man Jun 2 #76
The Obama White House was pretty transparent about what the president and first family were doing questionseverything Jun 2 #78
Well yes, she could have. H2O Man Jun 2 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author questionseverything Jun 2 #74
Name one time H2O Man Jun 2 #77
That's fair, but... Happy Hoosier Wednesday #93
That would be H2O Man Wednesday #96
I think that you are not alone. I understand what Michelle means, but wnylib Jun 2 #26
ironically in my work -- the imposters never seem to feel like imposters. just arrogant POS JT45242 Jun 2 #31
Agree that impostors nevrr seem to feel like impostors. wnylib Jun 2 #36
Absolutely... furthermore... Happy Hoosier Jun 2 #32
But did THEY acknowledge that they were impostors is the question... live love laugh Wednesday #90
Totally agree. Michelle may not know many working class white men. johnnyplankton Jun 2 #45
You just described me genxlib Jun 2 #56
I'm a white man getting a Ph.D. in neurobiology mr715 Jun 2 #3
Similar here but working in higher level technology OC375 Jun 2 #25
Just be glad your not a white dumbass, like me! Doodley Jun 2 #71
I'm a white dumbass. mr715 Jun 2 #72
I appreciate her candor MustLoveBeagles Jun 2 #4
Funny that it's resulted in some reasoned TheProle Jun 2 #53
She needs to meet more people Renew Deal Jun 2 #5
I'm black but a disagree. tman Jun 2 #7
Trmp at a Mensa meeting would feel that he was among a whole bunch of imposters. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2 #8
Yup. Kid Berwyn Jun 2 #9
Right! H2O Man Jun 2 #24
Well, she certainly hasn't met everyone. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2 #10
Hanks has it because deep down, he knows Peter Scolari was the better actor on "bosom buddies" unblock Jun 2 #13
I've seen astronauts discuss it Sympthsical Jun 2 #15
"When they go low..." mr715 Jun 2 #19
during my work years i occasionally felt like i was faking it. rampartd Jun 2 #11
So that's what it's called... NewHendoLib Jun 2 #12
She doesn't appear to have any close white male friends Bok_Tukalo Jun 2 #14
Hi, Mrs. Obama. I'm Aristus. Nice to meet you. I am a great admirer of you and your husband. Aristus Jun 2 #16
. mr715 Jun 2 #18
All those unqualified white morons in the current administration Americanme Jun 2 #17
I wish there was a pill? Prairie_Seagull Jun 2 #20
Ah, sweet Xanax... mr715 Jun 2 #60
100 percent. nt Prairie_Seagull Wednesday #95
He may not talk about it, but our so-called President has deep insecurity about not being good enough, good looking Sogo Jun 2 #21
And he has never forgiven the New York elites for not malaise Jun 2 #28
Exactly. He will never admit to it, but some tiny part of him... 3catwoman3 Jun 2 #38
Then she should meet me nuxvomica Jun 2 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2 #27
I read it Sympthsical Jun 2 #35
Thank you. I respect Ms Obama, but this is some tone-deaf shit TheProle Jun 2 #42
Oh hell, I'm there Sympthsical Jun 2 #44
Kudos on the courage for a career change TheProle Jun 2 #47
Congrats. mr715 Jun 2 #51
No thank you. H2O Man Jun 2 #54
retirement freed me from imposter syndrome mike_c Jun 2 #29
No offense to her, but I'm guessing she's not really in the same circles as white men who experience imposter syndrome. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2 #34
In creative circles, that's pretty much everyone. C_U_L8R Jun 2 #37
It's the difference between being welcome at the table dlk Jun 2 #39
I'll admit to the imposter syndrome BeneteauBum Jun 2 #40
OK, I looked it up Skittles Jun 2 #46
Thanks Skittles BeneteauBum Jun 2 #62
yup Skittles Jun 2 #83
I wanted to be an estuary ecologist when I was in college. mr715 Jun 2 #57
It was a rewarding career BeneteauBum Jun 2 #65
Both my youngest son and I, white men have experienced it. NNadir Jun 2 #41
IIRC, when asked if she was ever intimidated by these meetings, she said, "No, they're not all that smart." OMGWTF Jun 2 #43
Maybe Michelle Obama had a different meaning FakeNoose Jun 2 #48
I hate to say this: PCIntern Jun 2 #49
She hasn't talked to me. Hassler Jun 2 #50
Sorry Mrs Obama ironman99 Jun 2 #52
I think it's very naive to assume it never happens to white men Skittles Jun 2 #55
Well, I've never heard a black woman talk about impostor syndrome. Intractable Jun 2 #58
That's hyperbolic, and may be true in her experience, but not universally true. Ursus Rex Jun 2 #61
Huge gaffe... gulliver Jun 2 #63
It's clear MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2 #64
Sorry, but she needs to get out more. She hasn't heard about imposter syndrome from white men RockRaven Jun 2 #67
It's a fact that some white men are more insecure or less fortunate than some black men. Doodley Jun 2 #70
I adore her but she's wrong in this. I think most white men suffer from this Iris Jun 2 #80
I don't get the furor misanthrope Jun 2 #85
*headdesk* Does she even know what it is? sakabatou Wednesday #89
I don't by any means sit at the kind of elite tables she's talking about. Jedi Guy Wednesday #91
Michelle apparently never talked to a white man like my boyfriend. Boyfriend said Raine Wednesday #92
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