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GreatGazoo

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37. Since oil is sold as futures there is more profit when buyers panic about the future
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 03:17 PM
14 hrs ago

It's like if someone was selling fire insurance and we are in a wicked drought. And they run around saying 'Wow our experts say this drought is going to last another year so you should buy at these high rates now before we have to raise rates even higher.' They are trying to rush more people to pay the high rate before it rains.

If the USA accepts the $1 per barrel deal that Iran wants on the Strait then oil goes back down to like $70. Exxon wants to sell as much as they can as high as they can before any bigger deal is confirmed and prices drop further. Some predict a glut about two weeks after a deal that holds.

Toward the bottom of linked:

If a peace deal is signed that appears likely to hold, then two-to-four weeks looks like a sensible starting point for clearing the Gulf backlog and restoring shipping patterns, with flows possibly ramping back towards full levels after another two-to-four weeks, according to Houston-based Vikas Dwivedi, global energy strategist at Macquarie Group.

In this base-case scenario, in which the market believes a deal is real and has staying power, the sell-off would be immediate and large, approximately US$20 in one week. This would be followed by a two-week consolidation period, and then a period in which logistical and financial issues are repriced. “After this, we expect the market to end up with far too much oil again as mitigation sources of supply continue as Hormuz flow ramps up, creating a physically driven overshoot to the downside,” underlines Dwivedi. “Finally, prices trend toward a normalisation of crude supply and demand and a return to what we believe is the fair value range of US$65 to US$70 per barrel,” he concludes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/inside-the-iran-deal-that-may-change-nothing-but-could-smash-oil-prices-anyway/ar-AA24yGAr

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The shit is on the wing orangecrush 22 hrs ago #1
The storage cushion is fudgy. bucolic_frolic 22 hrs ago #2
President Bone Spurs had a plan to get out of Vietnam. Emile 21 hrs ago #3
Daddy's not buying his way out of this one. dem4decades 21 hrs ago #4
From another perspective cachukis 21 hrs ago #5
there's definitely been some adaptation... but still a lot has been kept afloat by the reserves that are likely to run LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #27
No question. One of my worries is the takeover of cachukis 15 hrs ago #31
Absolutely. I totally agree on all those points. The stock market is particularly a mess IMO LymphocyteLover 15 hrs ago #32
Have invested mostly in real estate over the last cachukis 15 hrs ago #34
Why would " Diesel goes first"??? Melon 21 hrs ago #6
800,000 to 1.2 million SamuelTheThird 20 hrs ago #11
It's one country. Multiply across all oil producing Melon 12 hrs ago #41
Yes, but the key is how long the strait stays closed and how quickly the reserves run out LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #28
Diesel is often made from mideastern crude while gasoline is made from US crude JT45242 15 hrs ago #30
Completely wrong. GreatGazoo 21 hrs ago #7
lol@your link SamuelTheThird 20 hrs ago #10
You ignored all the numbers to nitpick about semantics GreatGazoo 19 hrs ago #15
Are America's strategic reserves at a 40 year low right before the summer season? SamuelTheThird 19 hrs ago #19
Traders in Singapore, Beijing and Mumbai aren't duped by whatever Trump says GreatGazoo 14 hrs ago #36
This message was self-deleted by its author LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #29
Futures Are Not Delivery modrepub 13 hrs ago #39
"futures price contracts probably isn't a good predictor of actual future prices" -- meaning spot prices, yes GreatGazoo 10 hrs ago #42
Future Prices Are Not Necessarily modrepub 24 sec ago #43
Appreciate your insight as I'm an admitted economic idiot. I can see where Exxon would be trying to "warn" Cheezoholic 17 hrs ago #21
Futures lock in a price right now GreatGazoo 16 hrs ago #22
Admittedly, Im no expert or even amateur...but SamuelTheThird 15 hrs ago #35
Since oil is sold as futures there is more profit when buyers panic about the future GreatGazoo 14 hrs ago #37
All hinging on a deal that isn't going to happen SamuelTheThird 14 hrs ago #38
Last week Exxon Mobil warned that oil inventories will fall to record low levels in coming weeks LymphocyteLover 15 hrs ago #33
Demand destruction WSHazel 21 hrs ago #8
"one of the key reasons that Trump started this conflict was to increase energy prices"-- agree LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #25
And it's all part of the plan... 2naSalit 20 hrs ago #9
Excellent summation. Kid Berwyn 20 hrs ago #12
I don't think the Strait of Hormuz never reopening is going to happen, but it will not reopen without a major shock ToxMarz 19 hrs ago #13
Agree. Thanks for the link. LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #24
Kick dalton99a 19 hrs ago #14
MAGA does the full collapse kairos12 19 hrs ago #16
First the bastids want to grift off it, if they can. GreenWave 19 hrs ago #17
But I thouight it would be open in two weeks. AverageOldGuy 19 hrs ago #18
That's the point. Blue Full Moon 19 hrs ago #20
Unbelievably awful LymphocyteLover 16 hrs ago #23
It's happening now as we speak. marble falls 16 hrs ago #26
Remember that the UAE left OPEC a few weeks ago WSHazel 13 hrs ago #40
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