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Happy Hoosier

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43. Something I think a lot of folks are missing are structural changes in the market.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:50 AM
10 hrs ago

In 2000 passive trading (trading in index funds) was less than 10% of the market. In 2012, it was about 25%. In 2026, it's over 50%. in 2012, about 30% of the total market was help in passive investments. That is now about 60%.

Mechanical investing (where investors make purchases regardless of market conditions) is now the dominant trade. That includes me, and pretty much anyone with a 401K in equities. Twice a month, about 14% of my salary goes towards purchasing index funds.... whther the markets are up, down, or sideways. Realistically, it's the only way I can build actual financial independence. I'll has SS, and a small pension, but that's "keep the lights on" money, not the kind of retirement I've been working for (at least in my head).

With mechanical investing making up so much of the market, there is a strong impetus to follow trends, which tends to increase volatility, but these same automatic investing algorithms also have a strong "buy the dip" element, which tends to feed the strong V-shaped recoveries we've seen and then the trend algoritms take over again.

Does that mean markets cannot crash? Nope. The weakness of the this means that the market is more vulnerable to unemployment and inflation. If mechanical investors are laid off, they stop contributing to their 401K's, and the built in demand decreases. If they are forced to withdraw 401K money due to job loss and inflation, the fund MUST sell, regardless of market conditions. That could be a disastrous cycle, if it's big enough.

So my thinking is no crash in the immediate future. Keep an eye on unemployment and inflation numbers. That's where the risk is. I still think we'll see an AI correction, but not at dot.com bubble levels. But what do I know... I'm just a guy on the internet trying to make enough return to retire!

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Sold my last 3 stocks. Moved money to a multigraincracker Yesterday #1
You may be right edhopper Yesterday #2
If the Democrats win back Congress this fall I predict a stock market correction. yardwork Yesterday #4
Trump will still be President edhopper Yesterday #22
There are no crashes anymore. Market is rigged and irrational GreatGazoo Yesterday #3
That kind of rigging can't hold forever paulkienitz Yesterday #11
and yet here we are GreatGazoo Yesterday #15
Something I think a lot of folks are missing are structural changes in the market. Happy Hoosier 10 hrs ago #43
Have had similar thoughts GreatGazoo 10 hrs ago #44
Yeah, lots of folks specualte about that kind of stuff... Happy Hoosier 9 hrs ago #45
The issue is how many times have we been told to leave the market? Melon Yesterday #5
Yeah, that's where I am ITAL Yesterday #8
It took six years to recover edhopper Yesterday #23
Six years isn't that long for me ITAL Yesterday #24
Or get out now and edhopper Yesterday #28
Preferably you are cost averaging. Melon Yesterday #32
There are other investments edhopper 23 hrs ago #33
If you took your money out in 2007 edhopper 11 hrs ago #40
No it's not "just as risky". paulkienitz Yesterday #9
Ill gotten ponzy...huh? You mean investment returns. Melon Yesterday #21
"others success"? There is no success to profit from in AI. paulkienitz Yesterday #25
Go read what Sam Altman is saying. Uber and Melon Yesterday #31
That math doesn't math -- companies will not pay enough. paulkienitz 17 hrs ago #34
WSJ and Gallup did a story looking at how Democrat voters are losing money GreatGazoo Yesterday #16
"Democratic." The adjective form is "Democratic." ColoringFool Yesterday #17
I could have put a hyphen in there but noun GreatGazoo Yesterday #20
No Johnny2X2X Yesterday #6
I've heard that song before. paulkienitz Yesterday #10
We've been waiting decades for a bubble Johnny2X2X Yesterday #12
Index funds are like 50% AI bubble now. paulkienitz Yesterday #14
9 years ago when I joined DU, people were saying that Bitcoin would burst and go to near zero Polybius 17 hrs ago #36
Bitcoin will either sputter on for decades, or go almost instantaneously to zero at any time -- it's not predictable. paulkienitz 17 hrs ago #37
People are predicting the market is holding on Johonny Yesterday #7
I turned some investments into a newer and larger house CanonRay Yesterday #13
I'll just keep my NVIDIA,TYVM. ColoringFool Yesterday #18
Jensen Huang is pulling sooo many circular-financing fast ones... paulkienitz Yesterday #19
Heard the same shit from Thom Hartmann a few years back Ziggy Beans Yesterday #26
That same lie was told before the last two crashes. paulkienitz Yesterday #29
imho Fat gains should be pruned. Rotation is underway. bucolic_frolic Yesterday #27
Simple.... multigraincracker Yesterday #30
More apropos to the current situation, index funds do the opposite. paulkienitz 16 hrs ago #38
I think that's a terrible prediction Polybius 17 hrs ago #35
"doesnt crash anymore" paulkienitz 16 hrs ago #39
Lol imagine taking investment advive from a panicked, anonymous internet poster. BannonsLiver 11 hrs ago #41
Or not Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #42
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