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genxlib

(6,177 posts)
4. I would argue the opposite
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 02:43 PM
18 hrs ago

There was always the implied threat of force despite the peaceful nature of that agreement. Everyone, everywhere knew that they could be hurt militarily if they didn't go along.

Hegseth is arguing that such threat has been made real to them so it is no longer an implied threat.

BUT... I would argue that they took the beating and remained defiant. Including a real power play in the Strait of Hormuz.

I don't think they learned the lesson that Whiskey Pete thinks they learned. I think they learned that we are isolated from our allies and reluctant to escalate to a ground war. They also learned that they had a lot more geopolitical leverage in Hormuz than they realized.

So here we are full circle trying to get the same deal while also giving control of the Strait to them as a protection racket.

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Now I get it. It's still total BS. [View all] senseandsensibility 18 hrs ago OP
His Statement Is Self-Indicting ProfessorGAC 18 hrs ago #1
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB 15 hrs ago #16
We also received damage to our bases IbogaProject 15 hrs ago #17
He and his mobster buddies believe they need to be unnecessarily cruel haele 18 hrs ago #2
We are not getting back to where we were. Not even close. RockRaven 18 hrs ago #3
I would argue the opposite genxlib 18 hrs ago #4
The only fool that starts a war he doesn't need and can't Colgate 64 18 hrs ago #5
The alienation of former allies to help Putin lose his war-crimes. Justice matters. 17 hrs ago #8
Trumped-Up enthusiasts are dangerously stupid. czarjak 17 hrs ago #6
How incredibly stupid and incompetent odins folly 17 hrs ago #7
"USA is NOT the most powerful nation in the world anymore" Martin Eden 17 hrs ago #11
Yes! odins folly 16 hrs ago #14
I suppopse most of our adversaries already knew our military was 60 years out of date Bluetus 9 hrs ago #22
Entrenched interests of the military industrial complex Martin Eden 9 hrs ago #23
Normally the M-I-C loves periodic wars to burn off stuff that has to be replaced Bluetus 9 hrs ago #24
To achieve the goal without the threat of force is a big plus on my book. Martin Eden 17 hrs ago #9
The JCPOA was NOT just Obama and Iran. House of Roberts 17 hrs ago #10
There is NO WAY #rump will get as good a deal as the one he ripped up William Seger 16 hrs ago #12
This whole administration is one giant clusterfuck Galraedia 16 hrs ago #13
Hegseth Is OBSESSED WITH "War," "Warriors," "Force,"......." ColoringFool 16 hrs ago #15
This is still the best commentary I've seen regarding Iran: Totally Tunsie 15 hrs ago #18
Iran says: OK, America, learnt your lesson? Aussie105 13 hrs ago #19
War Crimes vapor2 12 hrs ago #20
The U.S. will never get back to 2015 where we respected each other dave99 12 hrs ago #21
What Hegseth meant was, the first agreement was made by the Obama administration and the international community ChicagoTeamster 7 hrs ago #25
Kept Epstein out of the news for a good while. usonian 7 hrs ago #26
"I'm glad that very few are buying it." OldBaldy1701E 1 hr ago #27
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