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DFW

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63. Thanks for the well-wishes
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 08:41 AM
Jun 27

It is NEVER "free." And paying for medical care through a nationwide tax hike specifically for that purpose is certainly one way to finance health care. It will be unwieldy, and there will be massive fraud and clever schemes to defraud the government of tens of billions. HOWEVER, given our defense budget, that is a price we as a nation should be willing to pay. Also, I'd say any such law should make sure that a conviction for any such fraud carries a mandatory no-parole 30 year sentence--THAT should give a few potential crooks pause!!

We would have to, like many other nations, discourage "medical tourism," making it difficult for someone to travel to the USA, showing up and saying "treat me at no cost," and then running back home. Reciprocal agreements with nations with similar systems could be worked out (UK, France, Canada, e.g.).

We would have to word any such legislation carefully so that the voices of the health care industry that we now have, screaming about their disappearing profits, are drowned out by people's gratitude for the government saving their lives. We would also have to insure that our top surgeons and specialists continue to be very well compensated so that they stay in the USA, and others who want to come are welcome (yes, Donald, some of them may be from India, just suck it up). We would also have to make sure that the tax rise is logical, well-calculated, and not like the government heroin that VAT has turned out to be in Europe. That is, NOT gradual, but one big painful jolt that affects all, but mostly the higher brackets that can handle the bite better because, well, they are the higher brackets. NOT just "the rich," whatever thatis supposed to mean. EVERYBODY is subject to needing health care at some point. We should all be in on this. It will NOT be easy or cheap. If one takes an internet-given statistic that 15% of US households earn $200,000 gross income, and a $500 supplemental tax is put on them, it will bring in $9 billion. We probably need a hundred times that to even contemplate setting up the care-without-catastrophe system. Ergo, the higher brackets will need to contribute way more. How much more? Again, looking up one set of statistics, half a percent of Americans earn $1 million a year. That is 1.75 million people. It seems like a lot to me, but what do I know? Take it at face value. So tax their million at 2%, or $20,000 extra per year. That brings in another $35 billion. We're still a long way from $900 billion. Where will the rest come from? Hell if I know. We can't afford to encourage capital flight, but maybe a tiny add-on to corporate taxes, especially if they are relieved from contributing health insurance to their employees? They should go for that. I'm sure we can somehow afford it, but I am not an economist, and I don't know how to put that together in such a way that the nation--workers and employers--will go for it without cheating or leaving. I'm fairly confident that whatever we initially take in to finance such a scheme, it won't be enough. Good luck running for re-election while telling your voters they will have to cough up more to make this plan work.

It will never be "free," no matter what. Workers who construct hospitals and repair them need to be paid. Utilities that supply electricity and water need to be paid. Those who provide the food and medicine need to be paid. The accountants who make the place run need to be paid. Physicians, nurses, interns and orderlies need to be paid. The IT people who come make sure the computers are accurate need to be paid. But as it is now, the burden is shared unfairly. No citizen of a country such as ours should have to suffer financial detriment due to medical needs. But, though it won't be free, it should be at no cost to patients, and the same goes for medicine. A deal would have to be made for private medical researchers to richly reward them for successful innovations and breakthroughs, Incentive is a must. We can't leave innovation or research to chance.

But we need some financial genius types to work out how to get this done, and some sly politicians to tell people in Los Angeles and New York City, already among the most highly taxed people in America, why their taxes are going to go up a even a little more because some money-losing hospital in Fargo, North Dakota need to be kept open, because people in North Dakota are Americans. too. This is something for a group of highly intelligent, benevolent, and knowledgeable Senators and Congresspeople to work on for nine months or more to get it right, and I haven't the faintest clue what "right" looks like or costs.

A national health insurance law would also have to infuriate some religious groups as well. No making a woman die because state abortion laws say she has to. No making a physician fear arrest and prison because he saves a woman's life for the same reason. No refusing blood transfusion to a dying child because the parents' religious beliefs say God doesn't want it. Etc. Universal Health care means just that. No citizen refused. If God wants to deny someone care that means the difference between life and death, let him show up with a court order. If not, then it's just some mortals claiming to act on his behalf without a notarized power of attorney. Such people should be under a national restraining order.

All this without a LARGE number of people of both parties in our Congress willing to tackle the issue seriously is just a pipe dream, and we ain't got 'em. Anyone who has an idea how to convince a couple hundred million people who have never "been there" and "done that" to vote for such a measure, I have a couple of addresses in Washington to send it on to. Unfortunately, I don't have enough of them. I like your idea. but I am not Captain Picard, and I don't know how to "make it so." "Tax the rich" will just piss off the rich, and there aren't enough of them anyway. I say, "involve the rich, and somehow get them aboard as allies, and we might get somewhere.

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30 years ago lapfog_1 Jun 25 #1
We can only hope popsdenver Jun 25 #2
I can't look. Thanks for posting. I just can't look. Have a great day. twodogsbarking Jun 25 #3
It was peanuts compared to what you'd pay back in the USA DFW Jun 25 #9
I'm glad to see you posting today& that you are well enough to do so. irisblue Jun 25 #4
Thanks for the kind words! DFW Jun 25 #6
Best wishes DFW and thanks for the perspective. ED Evolve Dammit Jun 25 #5
No sweat! I haven't been in an American hospital overnight since 2011. DFW Jun 25 #7
OMG. Thats why med bills are #1 cause of bankruptcy. Evolve Dammit Jun 27 #65
That was a weird deal with the billing. DFW Jun 28 #67
It's a money extraction racket, not "health care." Thanks for the info, and yes it is perverse. I just got a denial for Evolve Dammit Wednesday #73
Here's our Canadian Health story Tripper11 Jun 25 #8
Here in Germany DFW Jun 25 #14
Stay Well DFW! We love your posts from across the pond. joanbarnes Jun 25 #10
If I have not been the cause of fatal boredom DFW Jun 26 #37
Heheh blm Jun 26 #52
What good authority? DFW Jun 28 #68
😁 blm Jun 28 #69
Ain't freedom to choose your poison relogic Jun 25 #11
Actually, my Doctor in Dallas said I was right to get the procedure done in Germany DFW Jun 25 #15
Yes relogic Jun 25 #18
I left Pennsylvania in 1975, so I'm in the dark about what it is like there now DFW Jun 25 #20
My dear PA relogic Jun 25 #22
We love you, DFW. So happy to hear that everything is going well for you! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jun 25 #12
As well as can be hoped for, anyway!! I am grateful for your comment!! DFW Jun 25 #21
Many Happy Returns to your bride and condolences for the loss of her mom. ... littlemissmartypants Jun 25 #23
It's amazing what can happen in fifty years! DFW Jun 25 #24
It really is! 🌞❤️ littlemissmartypants Jun 25 #25
Northern Germany, my husband's father Tree Lady Jun 25 #29
You can still get the citizenship without moving there right away. DFW Jun 26 #42
Happy for your outcome but disappointed in the bill......... KS Toronado Jun 25 #13
I'm a legal resident here, so you heard wrong DFW Jun 25 #17
The 19% VAT tax is also used to pay for many of those "free" services MichMan Jun 26 #55
In the US, each state can levy its own state sales tax DFW Jun 28 #66
There are state and local income taxes on top of the federal income tax MichMan Jun 28 #70
Simple DFW Jun 28 #71
Whenever health care is brought up, there are always statements about other countries and how we need to emulate them. MichMan Jun 28 #72
My Angiogram cost $20k 14 yrs ago. Jacson6 Jun 25 #16
Now THAT is a typical horror story, the likes of which I hear often DFW Jun 25 #19
Living the life. Love that you are at it. cachukis Jun 25 #26
I'm still alive DFW Jun 26 #43
Wisdom pays dividends. cachukis Jun 26 #44
Wow, what a great happy ending story! DFW Jun 26 #45
The best of times, the worst of times. cachukis Jun 26 #46
Sometimes the simple things stand out DFW Jun 26 #47
My grandfather was a supervisor in the Back Bay cachukis Jun 26 #49
Thanks, we intend to try! DFW Jun 26 #54
The Scots certainly woke it up. cachukis Jun 26 #56
It would be basically free here in Sweden, so there's that. Celerity Jun 25 #27
Is that for legal residents, or anyone who shows up? DFW Jun 26 #33
Legal residents. You do not have to be a citizen, just be living here legally. You cannot (of course) come here as a Celerity Jun 26 #35
Medical tourism was, for a while, at least, a concern in Canada DFW Jun 26 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jun 25 #28
I'm glad you are doing well MustLoveBeagles Jun 25 #30
Thanks! DFW Jun 26 #34
Glad you are ok. I slipped and fell on stairs in a hotel in Beilstein, Germany and dislocated a finger. surfered Jun 25 #31
That sounds typical for all three countries DFW Jun 26 #32
We are in Germany Old Crank Jun 26 #38
If either of you had a German employer, that made all the difference. DFW Jun 26 #40
We took TK insurance Old Crank Jun 26 #58
Thanks! Yes, it so seems to have been successful. DFW Jun 27 #59
My daughter did her BA abroad in France - TBF Jun 26 #39
Germany is different, not surprisingly. DFW Jun 26 #41
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 26 #48
A socialist country here in Europe. DFW Jun 26 #50
Medical care and education. H2O Man Jun 26 #53
Hospital Bill here in Canada (for Canadians, naturalized included) Justice matters. Jun 26 #51
Canada seems to have learned from the mistakes of other countries. DFW Jun 27 #60
Thank you for this touching reply. Justice matters. Jun 27 #64
I've been thinking of you... róisín_dubh Jun 26 #57
My last cardiac episode in the USA was in 2011. DFW Jun 27 #61
I still feel that it should be completely free, paid with higher taxes Polybius Jun 27 #62
Thanks for the well-wishes DFW Jun 27 #63
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