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AloeVera

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10. It's a clever framing, isn't it?

Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:11 AM

18 hrs ago

That despicable framing is what manufactured consent and allowed the Gaza genocide. Because what decent person would be against Israel's right to exist or defend itself?

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So Fetterman will leave the party if the Democrats take a "anti- Israel Party" stance. [View all] a kennedy 19 hrs ago OP

Please let the door hit you on your way out. Blue Owl 19 hrs ago #1

He is disloyal to the United States. Dawson Leery 18 hrs ago #2

Hardly. ColoringFool 16 hrs ago #72

Hell, TSF isn't helping Israel to much bluestarone 18 hrs ago #3

"Speaking with Fox News host Sean Hannity .... " Botany 18 hrs ago #4

I don't know of any Democrat in Congress who is against Israel defending itself or existing. everyonematters 18 hrs ago #5

It's a clever framing, isn't it? AloeVera 18 hrs ago #10

I am not convinced that Biden could have stopped it karynnj 12 hrs ago #94

It's gonna stay that way too.. There doesn't seem to be a winning position for Democrats. LeftInTX 12 hrs ago #98

I'm not sure what position they could come together behind karynnj 11 hrs ago #99

Interesting choice of words. "Israel would never agree to it". AloeVera 7 hrs ago #106

The main part I was referring to was a two state solution karynnj 6 hrs ago #111

I'm sure he'd see a fund cut as part of Israel's right, too! mymomwasright 18 hrs ago #19

Country over party is laudable. AloeVera 18 hrs ago #6

That would be one less centrist in the party. Emile 18 hrs ago #7

He is not a centrist WSHazel 18 hrs ago #13

He lied to get into office. He ran as Emile 18 hrs ago #18

IMHO it was the stroke. The evidence is overwhelming that post-stroke Fetterman is profoundly different at multiple Celerity 16 hrs ago #60

LCV scorecard: Fetterman 84% lifetime, 80% 2025: McCormick - total zero across the board RandomNumbers 17 hrs ago #26

Senator John Fetterman votes with the Democratic party approximately 91% to 93% of the time. Emile 17 hrs ago #31

PA is a purple state. I'll take a centrist D over a reich-wing R ANY FUCKING DAY. Unlike RandomNumbers 17 hrs ago #36

If the voters in Pennsylvania wanted a centrist, Emile 17 hrs ago #39

They wanted someone who they thought stood up for actual people, AND who supported women's rights RandomNumbers 17 hrs ago #48

You can't change history. He won his seat Emile 16 hrs ago #53

You are right that Fetterman never ran as anti AIPAC AZProgressive 16 hrs ago #73

Wow! I hadn't heard that about Conor Lamb before TVguyCards 12 hrs ago #96

BLUE 7 OUT OF LAST 10. ColoringFool 16 hrs ago #75

Surrendering in advance Cirsium 14 hrs ago #88

I'll bet that changes to ZERO percent once he switches LuvLoogie 16 hrs ago #61

That's very possible. Emile 16 hrs ago #62

John Fetterman casts the deciding vote against limiting Trump's war in Iran Celerity 16 hrs ago #69

Of course he would be the deciding AGAINST a Democratic position. LuvLoogie 10 hrs ago #104

Fetterman is not a "centrist""... he's a fuckimg Cha 13 hrs ago #89

That too! Emile 12 hrs ago #90

Go ahead and leave, dickhead. Aristus 18 hrs ago #8

"Going to" leave the party? 3_Limes 18 hrs ago #9

Bingo ! we have a winner. republianmushroom 17 hrs ago #25

He votes with Dems more than 90% of the time and if we win the Senate in midterms MadameButterfly 15 hrs ago #82

He's going to leave the Party whatever happens... kentuck 18 hrs ago #11

Okay by me. He's not much of a Democrat anyway. sinkingfeeling 18 hrs ago #12

He is itching for an excuse to orangecrush 18 hrs ago #14

Hasn't needed an excuse yet unweird 16 hrs ago #51

Good! ABC123Easy 18 hrs ago #15

Hasn't he already (in all but "name") anyway? Enough of his blackmail. hlthe2b 18 hrs ago #16

Hey John! Israel and Netanyahu ARE NOT THE SAME THING! NT maxrandb 18 hrs ago #17

Agreed, but looking at the polls on their upcoming karynnj 17 hrs ago #30

There are many myths about Israel. AloeVera 16 hrs ago #68

The 10 seats were the projection of many polls karynnj 16 hrs ago #77

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do, it doesn't mean shit to me Autumn 18 hrs ago #20

Israel is and will always be an ally of the US, but we don't have them give them weapons Wanderlust988 18 hrs ago #21

No Democrat has ever denied Israel's right to exist or to defend itself karynnj 18 hrs ago #22

Bye Bye Johnny! La Coliniere 18 hrs ago #23

This is why we need 5 Dems to win Senate races in order to gain control of the Senate BluenFLA 17 hrs ago #24

He ain't switching parties. Wiz Imp 17 hrs ago #43

see post 60 for some answers (the second part deals with Fetterman's obsession with Israel) Celerity 15 hrs ago #80

STROKE OUT M'FER - and this time finish the job. harumph 17 hrs ago #27

Does he think he could be a talking head on FOX in his shorts and sweatshirt? Bengus81 17 hrs ago #28

Can we be critical, John? Sneederbunk 17 hrs ago #29

The reality is, he already left the party.... He calls himself a Democrat, but he isn't one.... Strange dude... ashredux 17 hrs ago #32

Go ahead. Make my day. MadMike47 17 hrs ago #33

Israel does exist. It's "right" to is moot. maxsolomon 17 hrs ago #34

There is a New York Times best selling book AZProgressive 15 hrs ago #79

They are a minority. Also Jewish Voice for Peace is a very loud minority. LeftInTX 11 hrs ago #100

I doubt... GiqueCee 17 hrs ago #35

Not one Democrat questions MustLoveBeagles 17 hrs ago #37

What constitutes anti Israel: The Wizard 17 hrs ago #38

It's not anti-Israel, it's anti Netanyahu. Fla Dem 17 hrs ago #40

Exactly. Fetterman should listen to AMERICAN Jews Bluetus 17 hrs ago #44

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Ritabert 17 hrs ago #41

Is that all it takes? Omnipresent 17 hrs ago #42

It was the stroke, it profoundly changed him at so many levels, plus he is being handled, see post 60 for more detail: Celerity 14 hrs ago #87

Any excuse will do dlk 17 hrs ago #45

Yes it is MustLoveBeagles 16 hrs ago #70

No matter how it goes, Fetterman is a one-termer. Bluetus 17 hrs ago #46

Up for reelection in 2028. So who is going to run against him? Grins 17 hrs ago #47

"Defend itself" twodogsbarking 17 hrs ago #49

Bye! jrthin 17 hrs ago #50

His leaving the Democratic party would be an issue? Dave Id 16 hrs ago #52

Leaving the Senate? Becoming independent? Caucusing with the gop? Joining the gop? QueerDuck 16 hrs ago #54

So, he has NO CLUE what Israel's critics are really saying? William Seger 16 hrs ago #55

It is deliberate. RockRaven 16 hrs ago #78

He's deliberately misinterpreting it. Iggo 6 hrs ago #110

Dont care quakerboy 16 hrs ago #56

Kick his ass out FHRRK1 16 hrs ago #57

So what! Donman 16 hrs ago #58

Smell ya later! Gaytano70 16 hrs ago #59

Those things have never been part of the Democratic party's platform, and aren't likely to be any time soon. LudwigPastorius 16 hrs ago #63

so which party in the Knesset will Fetterman join? DBoon 16 hrs ago #64

He can sit with Ben Givr and the other Ars Longa 16 hrs ago #71

He's already gone. SergeStorms 16 hrs ago #65

Maybe they can do it just long enough to get rid of him, then... TygrBright 16 hrs ago #66

Not surprised as he's always been a populace candidate. rogue emissary 16 hrs ago #67

Do you mean a populist candidate? Celerity 15 hrs ago #83

Yes, and voters have turned on Israel he'll follow the majority eventually. rogue emissary 14 hrs ago #85

I highly doubt he stops his OTT support of Israel. See post 60. Celerity 14 hrs ago #86

Smells like a purity test to me. aocommunalpunch 16 hrs ago #74

I'm having difficulty feeling any sympathy for Fetterman. If I had a more charitable view than I actually do, PatrickforB 16 hrs ago #76

Being against Netanyahu's maniacal leadership is not anti-Israel. blm 15 hrs ago #81

There is ALWAYS one of these orthoclad 14 hrs ago #84

Thought he already had. tavernier 12 hrs ago #91

He's got a permanent seat on the right wing propaganda machine. miyazaki 12 hrs ago #92

A better link to avoid "download our app" crap paywall TVguyCards 12 hrs ago #93

Well, fuck you, Fetterman. This is the United States Of America, not the Israeli States Of America. Initech 12 hrs ago #95

Some might called this purity politics. David__77 12 hrs ago #97

He should move there already IbogaProject 11 hrs ago #101

Good riddance VanceFan 11 hrs ago #102

Or he'll leave the party for some other reason. Iggo 10 hrs ago #103

Hmmmm Timewas 9 hrs ago #105

Well, bye! Initech 7 hrs ago #107

"Gimme attention! Gimme! Gimme! Wannattention!" struggle4progress 7 hrs ago #108

How will we know? n/t BlueSpot 7 hrs ago #109