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harumph

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20. Non-authoritarians occasionally have to resort to hard leveraging of rules and options
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:41 PM
Yesterday

to protect institutions from actual authoritarians. I submit whether one is considered an actual authoritarian requires the assessment of behavior over time instead of singular instances. There is attack and self defense. Both may involve loss of life, but they do not represent the same intent. If institutions are to function at all, they require rules and sufficient consensus to follow the rules. The traditionalists are schismatic at the very least by denying Vatican II, although they will deny it. Being schismatic, they have removed themselves from the Church. In essence, they did the heavy lifting all by themselves and Pope Leo merely went on record acknowledging that fact.

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Take Down Opus Dei next! Chasstev365 Yesterday #1
+1 dalton99a Yesterday #2
They're dangerous to the general population. rubbersole Yesterday #8
Beat me to it. He does that, and ill be back in there the following sunday with a hundred bucks in my hand. Volaris Yesterday #11
Shady Vance would have to find another religion again. wnylib Yesterday #44
Excommunicate Opus Dei SCOTUS and JD Vance next... hlthe2b Yesterday #3
This! 👆👆👆👆👆 SheltieLover Yesterday #6
ABSOLUTELY! Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #26
This MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #41
Awww, thank you MustLoveBeagles! hlthe2b Yesterday #43
Dang. This Pope might get me back into a church Prairie Gates Yesterday #4
A teaching moment for the US left. If you have the power and you're negotiating with assholes, you're losing. harumph Yesterday #5
Religious fundamentalists of all faiths are made of the same cloth. sop Yesterday #7
this. fanatics (of all breed and stripe) are dangerous stopdiggin Yesterday #10
I have long believed... GiqueCee Yesterday #14
Vance and the KKKatholic Kourt. usonian Yesterday #9
Damn! GiqueCee Yesterday #12
I think it's in Italian, not Latin. nt Wednesdays Yesterday #15
I thought... GiqueCee Yesterday #16
Italian is the working and administrative language of the Vatican. dalton99a Yesterday #17
AHA! GiqueCee Yesterday #19
why a dead language is good for enduring concepts rampartd Yesterday #36
Good point! GiqueCee Yesterday #37
it is why so much law and medicine still use a dead language. rampartd Yesterday #38
Dead languages evolve too. hunter Yesterday #39
mea culpa rampartd Yesterday #42
I know Latin from biology not the law. hunter Yesterday #46
Go Leo! Crack that whip! liberalla Yesterday #13
A good reminder that authoritarians use authority to preserve the system that preserves them 31j20b3 Yesterday #18
Non-authoritarians occasionally have to resort to hard leveraging of rules and options harumph Yesterday #20
Yes, especially in a case like this wherein a handful out of thousands of priests 31j20b3 Yesterday #21
Oh, I see where you're coming from. harumph Yesterday #22
I suppose it's also a question of shoe-size 31j20b3 Yesterday #23
Agreed. That's often the case. harumph Yesterday #24
Yep, and our troubling problem is the few caught on a very long time ago 31j20b3 Yesterday #25
sspx : this schism goes back to like 1970 rampartd Yesterday #45
Would a Catholic church named St Pius X be part of that group or not doyou think? mahina 20 hrs ago #48
i've never knowingly met any of these guys, or any opus dei for that matter rampartd 19 hrs ago #49
It might depend on when the church was built and named. TommyT139 8 hrs ago #51
You don't understand that this fascist group is the one blm Yesterday #30
Could use a proper name for "this fascist group" just so I can be sure 31j20b3 Yesterday #31
TFP. Tradition-Family-Property. They are like the commoner base for Opus Dei elites. blm Yesterday #33
Thanks. I didn't know about TFP, but I'm aware of pfople pushing that 31j20b3 Yesterday #34
There's a multi-part documentary on HBO TommyT139 8 hrs ago #50
Exciting times bucolic_frolic Yesterday #27
Good. blm Yesterday #28
Not just the bishops - anyone who "habitually participates" in the society and "formally shares its positions" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #29
This isn't even the first time SSPX has pulled these shenanigans... sir pball Yesterday #32
Exactly. I was horrified when Benedict removed restrictions on them. blm Yesterday #35
Good. hunter Yesterday #40
I was hoping Vance had been Baptized into Catholicism by SSPX. pat_k Yesterday #47
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