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AZProgressive

(30,118 posts)
79. There is a New York Times best selling book
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:06 PM
11 hrs ago

about an anti-Zionist Jewish sect titled Here Where We Live Is Our Country: The Story of the Jewish Bund by Molly Crabapple. I haven't read it but in interviews she alleges in the early 20th century the Zionists allied with far right xenophobes which still seems true today.

As far as Democrats most of the mainline Democrats are out of step with most of the party because the polling has flipped on Israel when it comes to Democrats. I hope the mainline Democrats are smart enough not to agree with most of the Netanyahu's far-right regime policies.

Edit: I found a transcript of one of her interviews.

'Here Where We Live Is Our Country' tells the story of a Jewish labor movement (NPR)

(snip)

FADEL: What made it anti-Zionist?

CRABAPPLE: In the start, they felt that Zionism was an extremely silly idea. They did not think that millions of Jews were going to leave their homes in Europe to become collective farmers in the Levant. But after Zionism got the backing of the British Empire with the Balfour Declaration, the Bundists opposed it for another reason, and that was an ethical one. They saw Zionism as a handmaiden of British imperialism. But there is another reason as well. When Bundists saw the racist Polish government screaming Jews to Palestine and then they saw Zionist leaders like Ze'ev Jabotinsky also saying Jews to Palestine, they saw this as submission to their enemies. They saw this as letting bigots win.

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/22/nx-s1-5701403/here-where-we-live-is-our-country-tells-the-story-of-a-jewish-labor-movement

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Please let the door hit you on your way out. Blue Owl 14 hrs ago #1
He is disloyal to the United States. Dawson Leery 14 hrs ago #2
Hardly. ColoringFool 11 hrs ago #72
Hell, TSF isn't helping Israel to much bluestarone 14 hrs ago #3
"Speaking with Fox News host Sean Hannity .... " Botany 14 hrs ago #4
I don't know of any Democrat in Congress who is against Israel defending itself or existing. everyonematters 14 hrs ago #5
It's a clever framing, isn't it? AloeVera 14 hrs ago #10
I am not convinced that Biden could have stopped it karynnj 7 hrs ago #94
It's gonna stay that way too.. There doesn't seem to be a winning position for Democrats. LeftInTX 7 hrs ago #98
I'm not sure what position they could come together behind karynnj 7 hrs ago #99
Interesting choice of words. "Israel would never agree to it". AloeVera 3 hrs ago #106
The main part I was referring to was a two state solution karynnj 1 hr ago #111
I'm sure he'd see a fund cut as part of Israel's right, too! mymomwasright 14 hrs ago #19
Country over party is laudable. AloeVera 14 hrs ago #6
That would be one less centrist in the party. Emile 14 hrs ago #7
He is not a centrist WSHazel 14 hrs ago #13
He lied to get into office. He ran as Emile 14 hrs ago #18
IMHO it was the stroke. The evidence is overwhelming that post-stroke Fetterman is profoundly different at multiple Celerity 12 hrs ago #60
LCV scorecard: Fetterman 84% lifetime, 80% 2025: McCormick - total zero across the board RandomNumbers 13 hrs ago #26
Senator John Fetterman votes with the Democratic party approximately 91% to 93% of the time. Emile 13 hrs ago #31
PA is a purple state. I'll take a centrist D over a reich-wing R ANY FUCKING DAY. Unlike RandomNumbers 13 hrs ago #36
If the voters in Pennsylvania wanted a centrist, Emile 13 hrs ago #39
They wanted someone who they thought stood up for actual people, AND who supported women's rights RandomNumbers 12 hrs ago #48
You can't change history. He won his seat Emile 12 hrs ago #53
You are right that Fetterman never ran as anti AIPAC AZProgressive 11 hrs ago #73
Wow! I hadn't heard that about Conor Lamb before TVguyCards 7 hrs ago #96
BLUE 7 OUT OF LAST 10. ColoringFool 11 hrs ago #75
Surrendering in advance Cirsium 9 hrs ago #88
I'll bet that changes to ZERO percent once he switches LuvLoogie 12 hrs ago #61
That's very possible. Emile 12 hrs ago #62
John Fetterman casts the deciding vote against limiting Trump's war in Iran Celerity 11 hrs ago #69
Of course he would be the deciding AGAINST a Democratic position. LuvLoogie 5 hrs ago #104
Fetterman is not a "centrist""... he's a fuckimg Cha 8 hrs ago #89
That too! Emile 8 hrs ago #90
Go ahead and leave, dickhead. Aristus 14 hrs ago #8
"Going to" leave the party? 3_Limes 14 hrs ago #9
Bingo ! we have a winner. republianmushroom 13 hrs ago #25
He votes with Dems more than 90% of the time and if we win the Senate in midterms MadameButterfly 11 hrs ago #82
He's going to leave the Party whatever happens... kentuck 14 hrs ago #11
Okay by me. He's not much of a Democrat anyway. sinkingfeeling 14 hrs ago #12
He is itching for an excuse to orangecrush 14 hrs ago #14
Hasn't needed an excuse yet unweird 12 hrs ago #51
Good! ABC123Easy 14 hrs ago #15
Hasn't he already (in all but "name") anyway? Enough of his blackmail. hlthe2b 14 hrs ago #16
Hey John! Israel and Netanyahu ARE NOT THE SAME THING! NT maxrandb 14 hrs ago #17
Agreed, but looking at the polls on their upcoming karynnj 13 hrs ago #30
There are many myths about Israel. AloeVera 11 hrs ago #68
The 10 seats were the projection of many polls karynnj 11 hrs ago #77
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do, it doesn't mean shit to me Autumn 14 hrs ago #20
Israel is and will always be an ally of the US, but we don't have them give them weapons Wanderlust988 14 hrs ago #21
No Democrat has ever denied Israel's right to exist or to defend itself karynnj 13 hrs ago #22
Bye Bye Johnny! La Coliniere 13 hrs ago #23
This is why we need 5 Dems to win Senate races in order to gain control of the Senate BluenFLA 13 hrs ago #24
He ain't switching parties. Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #43
see post 60 for some answers (the second part deals with Fetterman's obsession with Israel) Celerity 11 hrs ago #80
STROKE OUT M'FER - and this time finish the job. harumph 13 hrs ago #27
Does he think he could be a talking head on FOX in his shorts and sweatshirt? Bengus81 13 hrs ago #28
Can we be critical, John? Sneederbunk 13 hrs ago #29
The reality is, he already left the party.... He calls himself a Democrat, but he isn't one.... Strange dude... ashredux 13 hrs ago #32
Go ahead. Make my day. MadMike47 13 hrs ago #33
Israel does exist. It's "right" to is moot. maxsolomon 13 hrs ago #34
There is a New York Times best selling book AZProgressive 11 hrs ago #79
They are a minority. Also Jewish Voice for Peace is a very loud minority. LeftInTX 7 hrs ago #100
I doubt... GiqueCee 13 hrs ago #35
Not one Democrat questions MustLoveBeagles 13 hrs ago #37
What constitutes anti Israel: The Wizard 13 hrs ago #38
It's not anti-Israel, it's anti Netanyahu. Fla Dem 13 hrs ago #40
Exactly. Fetterman should listen to AMERICAN Jews Bluetus 12 hrs ago #44
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Ritabert 13 hrs ago #41
Is that all it takes? Omnipresent 12 hrs ago #42
It was the stroke, it profoundly changed him at so many levels, plus he is being handled, see post 60 for more detail: Celerity 10 hrs ago #87
Any excuse will do dlk 12 hrs ago #45
Yes it is MustLoveBeagles 11 hrs ago #70
No matter how it goes, Fetterman is a one-termer. Bluetus 12 hrs ago #46
Up for reelection in 2028. So who is going to run against him? Grins 12 hrs ago #47
"Defend itself" twodogsbarking 12 hrs ago #49
Bye! jrthin 12 hrs ago #50
His leaving the Democratic party would be an issue? Dave Id 12 hrs ago #52
Leaving the Senate? Becoming independent? Caucusing with the gop? Joining the gop? QueerDuck 12 hrs ago #54
So, he has NO CLUE what Israel's critics are really saying? William Seger 12 hrs ago #55
It is deliberate. RockRaven 11 hrs ago #78
He's deliberately misinterpreting it. Iggo 1 hr ago #110
Dont care quakerboy 12 hrs ago #56
Kick his ass out FHRRK1 12 hrs ago #57
So what! Donman 12 hrs ago #58
Smell ya later! Gaytano70 12 hrs ago #59
Those things have never been part of the Democratic party's platform, and aren't likely to be any time soon. LudwigPastorius 12 hrs ago #63
so which party in the Knesset will Fetterman join? DBoon 12 hrs ago #64
He can sit with Ben Givr and the other Ars Longa 11 hrs ago #71
He's already gone. SergeStorms 12 hrs ago #65
Maybe they can do it just long enough to get rid of him, then... TygrBright 11 hrs ago #66
Not surprised as he's always been a populace candidate. rogue emissary 11 hrs ago #67
Do you mean a populist candidate? Celerity 11 hrs ago #83
Yes, and voters have turned on Israel he'll follow the majority eventually. rogue emissary 10 hrs ago #85
I highly doubt he stops his OTT support of Israel. See post 60. Celerity 10 hrs ago #86
Smells like a purity test to me. aocommunalpunch 11 hrs ago #74
I'm having difficulty feeling any sympathy for Fetterman. If I had a more charitable view than I actually do, PatrickforB 11 hrs ago #76
Being against Netanyahu's maniacal leadership is not anti-Israel. blm 11 hrs ago #81
There is ALWAYS one of these orthoclad 10 hrs ago #84
Thought he already had. tavernier 8 hrs ago #91
He's got a permanent seat on the right wing propaganda machine. miyazaki 8 hrs ago #92
A better link to avoid "download our app" crap paywall TVguyCards 8 hrs ago #93
Well, fuck you, Fetterman. This is the United States Of America, not the Israeli States Of America. Initech 7 hrs ago #95
Some might called this purity politics. David__77 7 hrs ago #97
He should move there already IbogaProject 7 hrs ago #101
Good riddance VanceFan 7 hrs ago #102
Or he'll leave the party for some other reason. Iggo 6 hrs ago #103
Hmmmm Timewas 5 hrs ago #105
Well, bye! Initech 3 hrs ago #107
"Gimme attention! Gimme! Gimme! Wannattention!" struggle4progress 2 hrs ago #108
How will we know? n/t BlueSpot 2 hrs ago #109
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