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In reply to the discussion: There Are Very Few Socialists in America: Krugman [View all]Fiendish Thingy
(24,592 posts)23. It's more than semantics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Democratic socialism is contrasted with MarxismLeninism.[22] Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and the MarxistLeninist economic planning system, rejecting as their form of governance the administrative-command model formed in the Soviet Union and other MarxistLeninist states during the 20th century.[23] Democratic socialism is also distinguished from Third Way social democracy[24][nb 1] because democratic socialists are committed to the systemic transformation of the economy from capitalism to socialism,[nb 2] while social democrats use capitalism to create a strong welfare state, leaving many businesses under private ownership.[30] However, many democratic socialists also advocate for state regulations and welfare programs in order to reduce the perceived harms of capitalism and slowly transform the economic system.[30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
In the 21st century, it has become commonplace to define social democracy in reference to Northern and Western European countries,[41] and their model of a welfare state with a corporatist system of collective bargaining.[42] Social democracy has also been used synonymously with the Nordic model.[43] Henning Meyer and Jonathan Rutherford associate social democracy with the socioeconomic order in Europe from the post-war period until the early 1990s.[44] Social democratic roots are also observed in Latin America during the early 20th century; this was the case in Uruguay during the two presidential terms of José Batlle y Ordóñez.[45]
While the welfare state has been accepted across the political spectrum,[29] particularly by conservatives (Christian democrats) and liberals (social liberals),[46] one notable difference is that socialists see the welfare state "not merely to provide benefits but to build the foundation for emancipation and self-determination".[47] In the 21st century, a social democratic policy regime[nb 3] may further be distinguished by a support for an increase in welfare policies or an increase in public services.[43]
While the welfare state has been accepted across the political spectrum,[29] particularly by conservatives (Christian democrats) and liberals (social liberals),[46] one notable difference is that socialists see the welfare state "not merely to provide benefits but to build the foundation for emancipation and self-determination".[47] In the 21st century, a social democratic policy regime[nb 3] may further be distinguished by a support for an increase in welfare policies or an increase in public services.[43]
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I have been saying this over and over for the 8 years (today is my 8 year anniversary) I have been on DU
Celerity
Thursday
#16
And, believe it or not, as president, Biden was the closest to a Keynesian since LBJ.
Fiendish Thingy
Thursday
#24
Like when the Danish PM reminded someone that Denmark's a market economy, not socialist.
betsuni
Thursday
#3
Oh, and same revolution person said attendees at such Democratic events are "older, whiter, and wealthier"
betsuni
Yesterday
#43
I forgot the canapes: "Some of the wealthiest members of the political establishment are hiding behind closed doors
betsuni
17 hrs ago
#57
I love the Scandinavian smoked cod roe caviar that comes in tubes (any seafood-mayo or cheese in tubes).
betsuni
14 hrs ago
#61
I used to get this a lot in France in the 1960s, from many 18 year old experts on the USA who had never been there
DFW
11 hrs ago
#63
But MAGA morons believe Fox, and Trump, and SInclaire radio, NewsMax etc. They're dumb and hateful people
ChicagoTeamster
Thursday
#8
The Liberal Party of Canada is not a social democratic party, the New Democratic Party is the social democratic party.
Celerity
Thursday
#27
Economically, Carney is making multiple moves that are similar to what Poilievre would do,
Celerity
20 hrs ago
#54
As soon as the Govt starts bailing out failed "free market" Capitalism, any argument against Govt social programs
ToxMarz
Thursday
#20
Regulated capitalism saw capitalism as an economic tool. Capitlists seek to unleash it as a form of governance.
ToxMarz
Yesterday
#42
Too many FASCISTS in the U.S! Remember in WWII, it was the fascists who REALLY hated the socialists. eom
Exp
Thursday
#28
Same here. I have always said that I am a liberal Dem to the left of center, but
wnylib
Yesterday
#40
Pretty sad when affordable day care, affordable rent, and affordable transportation are called "socialism".
Bluetus
Thursday
#33
And the supposedly business-friendly Republicans cut Obama's business Stimulus package in half
DFW
Yesterday
#49
So the short answer is there have been no economically successful socialists countries?
EX500rider
8 hrs ago
#68