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214. Hillary isn't going to take away Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Affordable Care Act,

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:56 PM

Dec 2014

etc......,which a Republican president definitely will try to do. They already will have 2 out of 3 branches of
government beginning in January. If a Repub. should win the presidency in 2016, they'd very likely have all
3 branches under their control. God help us! Don't you see what kind of a fix we'd be in?

Beginning in a couple of weeks, the Repub. Congress will be making all kinds of bills to make the rich
richer, and the poor poorer. Obama will at least be able to veto the bills. But, after 2016, if the
president should also be a Republican -- our goose will be cooked.

Bad as a Third-Way Dem. president might be, a totally Republican president would be far, far worse. Quite
possibly s/he would start another war, just so Corporations would make more profit. This is what G.W. Bush
did to Iraq. These are sick psychopaths. To them human lives mean nothing more than tools to be used, and
thrown away once their usefulness is over.

We just can't afford to have Republicans controlling all three branches of government. Don't you see that?

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Warren on NPR: "I am not running for president. You want me to put an exclamation point at the end?" [View all] FSogol Dec 2014 OP

I wish... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #1

She did. Check out the whole interview. FSogol Dec 2014 #3

She doesn't explain it because she never says she isn't going to run. RiverLover Dec 2014 #7

she isn't running for president...how thick do people have to be? snooper2 Dec 2014 #19

I agree: She's not running for President. Scuba Dec 2014 #39

no she didn't leave it open she isn't running, she isn't running she isn't fucking running snooper2 Dec 2014 #47

So why didn't she say "I will not run" when asked about it? Scuba Dec 2014 #51

In other words, "why didn't she respond in exactly the way DU wants it framed?" brooklynite Dec 2014 #84

She has carefully avoided saying "I will not run in 2016". Scuba Dec 2014 #102

...besides, how do you know she didn't have her fingers crossed? brooklynite Dec 2014 #109

In other words, she is a dishonest equivocator!!! longship Dec 2014 #151

False choice, but good try. Scuba Dec 2014 #156

She has repeatedly said she is not running in 2016!!!! longship Dec 2014 #161

Hey, your cut was better than the "she'd be a quitter just like Sarah" bullshit. Scuba Dec 2014 #165

So, she's an equivocator? longship Dec 2014 #168

Hardly. She's just smart. Scuba Dec 2014 #178

Name calling? Really Scuba? longship Dec 2014 #184

No, she's not an equivocator like Hillary, I don't think so. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #186

Do you have trouble with dumbcat Dec 2014 #70

I'm sorry you have a dumb cat snooper2 Dec 2014 #73

Does your smart cat know about English tenses? dumbcat Dec 2014 #116

my smart cat knows that "I'm not running" means "I'm not running" snooper2 Dec 2014 #117

But Hillary claims she is not running too krawhitham Dec 2014 #193

Yup, Im not running for President either, but I might. hahaha InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #185

You didnt say never! Orsino Dec 2014 #200

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #59

well a good chunk of americans are religious so people do like their fantasies snooper2 Dec 2014 #60

Almost every liberal I know "wants Liz just where she is" through 2016. I'm a little suspicious maddiemom Dec 2014 #62

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #71

And neither is Hillary currently. Plus she has said many times she will not run in 2016 krawhitham Dec 2014 #191

If she were to run now, having said what she said.... Adrahil Dec 2014 #75

Thanks, FSogal, Where does Elizabeth Cha Dec 2014 #130

Right here: FSogol Dec 2014 #134

Thank you, exactly.. "We didn't want to shut down the government." Cha Dec 2014 #135

Since she is the new Messiah and a flawless leader treestar Dec 2014 #9

Not a messiah & not perfect, she voted against GMO labeling... RiverLover Dec 2014 #12

DU would turn on her in a split second Gman Dec 2014 #17

She voted against it as a Senator, I still support her 100%. Autumn Dec 2014 #23

True. n/t FSogol Dec 2014 #100

I wouldn't. Marr Dec 2014 #113

Someone said last year that if there were an EWG group in 2017, like there is a BOG group now . . . Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #189

Agreed. They're little more than whiners Gman Dec 2014 #209

This is why QuestionAlways Dec 2014 #18

based on the polls.. 2banon Dec 2014 #44

Being President is a horrible job! yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #30

She did ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #57

Indeed YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #177

That's true! She's not running! No one is! Yet!!!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #2

Clap for Tinkerbell! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #10

Must be worried trying to diminish Warren supporters like that. It's cute, really. RiverLover Dec 2014 #13

Hi! She certainly is generating a lot of buzz. That other post became quite lively, the one on appalachiablue Dec 2014 #32

And then click your heels together twice. I think that MineralMan Dec 2014 #63

Off topic, but when everyone clapped for Tinkerbell, she got better Healthcare than what the FSogol Dec 2014 #92

You mean if you think Hillary is a good candidate? nt Logical Dec 2014 #96

Heheh... SidDithers Dec 2014 #179

It's all you, Sid! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #181

I think she doesn't want to shut the door on possibilities in the future but i don't hrmjustin Dec 2014 #35

My guess is she doesn't want to go through a grueling campaign. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #4

I suppose it now means Hillary all the way. (nt) Albertoo Dec 2014 #5

It could mean a repuke POTUS 2016. L0oniX Dec 2014 #28

That will depend on their candidate Albertoo Dec 2014 #33

Many Dems will switch to Ind and won't vote for Hillary. L0oniX Dec 2014 #37

That Would Be yellowwoodII Dec 2014 #53

Many argued Gore was no better than Bush and voted Nader Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #66

Generic equivalent. Save that one for those that won't vote for Hillary. L0oniX Dec 2014 #72

No, it's not a generic equivalent. It is, in fact, suggesting the exact same thing. Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #74

Only if Democrats don't vote for their party's nominee MineralMan Dec 2014 #69

Some aren't into zombie voting for the candidate you select. Some will vote by their conscience... L0oniX Dec 2014 #77

I play no role at all in who becomes the Democratic nominee. MineralMan Dec 2014 #78

I don't select candidates. MineralMan Dec 2014 #174

we all select candidates tabbycat31 Dec 2014 #206

Our district election ...the Dem candidate bailed out because of a previous commitment. L0oniX Dec 2014 #207

It happens tabbycat31 Dec 2014 #208

There are qualfied Democrats out there much better than Hillary so INdemo Dec 2014 #163

That's why we have primaries. MineralMan Dec 2014 #172

My point being Hillary is not the annoited one INdemo Dec 2014 #196

I have never said she is. Right now, she's the most likely candidate. MineralMan Dec 2014 #204

It was "All the way with LBJ." Hillary will use a different slogan. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #146

She did refuse to say never treestar Dec 2014 #6

Never is a long time. She could remove herself from the persistant badgering by saying, FSogol Dec 2014 #11

Exactly. treestar Dec 2014 #41

Yeah, forget the "exclaimation point".. and insert "2016". The interviewer gave up too soon. :) Cha Dec 2014 #129

No she didn't. An article said that, she didn't. Just the standard "I'm not running". Insert yet. RiverLover Dec 2014 #141

"..Senator Warren has publicly announced she is not running for President in 2016.." from her Cha Dec 2014 #144

Found something that says "No for 2016" FWIW.. Cha Dec 2014 #133

Excellent find, Cha! Hopefully NOW those "draft Warren for Prez" people on DU will accept BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #182

She's a woman, she has the right to change her mind. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #190

Why get sick of her when it is those who who want her to run that keep this alive. She has made it still_one Dec 2014 #38

Yeah, I agree. I'm sick of her supporters treestar Dec 2014 #42

I guess it would be a wash then. HappyMe Dec 2014 #45

When Democrats show that they really are not Democrats than they need bashing. INdemo Dec 2014 #166

Ahhh..... some sanity. I'd vote for Warren in a heartbeat, but apparently not this time around groundloop Dec 2014 #46

Its amazing how obsessed people are with this treestar Dec 2014 #50

Except Joe Biden actually told the press he is considering it still_one Dec 2014 #55

Why leave Martin O'Malley off the list? n/t FSogol Dec 2014 #91

I hope O'Malley doesn't run for POTUS Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #95

That's kind of selfish (jk). I think he'd do well in the White House. n/t FSogol Dec 2014 #103

Yes, Barbara Mikulski will be 80 in 2016... DonViejo Dec 2014 #145

Well... never is pretty definitive. Adrahil Dec 2014 #76

It's smart of her to not say never. It will keep Hillary on her toes. nt Fla Dem Dec 2014 #90

So you're "getting sick" of an outspoken Democratic Senator? That bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #107

She won't say never cuz she WILL be running. Go Elizabeth! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #187

What tense did she use? Tense matters. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #8

she used reverse warp tense snooper2 Dec 2014 #21

Yes this needs a body language expert on it too MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #58

I believe it was a pluperfect subjunctive participle... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #158

It is about money and keeping the base excited duriing difficult times. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #14

I have concluded that Elizabeth Warren is not running for president. NBachers Dec 2014 #15

Well I'm sure this makes the Corporate Queen's followers happy. n/t benz380 Dec 2014 #16

Name calling not cool.. riversedge Dec 2014 #20

btw---I would love riversedge Dec 2014 #24

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Dec 2014 #25

Sounds like it from their nasty gloating. nt Union Scribe Dec 2014 #40

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Dec 2014 #43

This is like high school. treestar Dec 2014 #52

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #61

DU 2014 /nt Ash_F Dec 2014 #110

DU high school, sounds like a Broadway play that could be turned in to a reality tv show!! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #192

I believe her. Bernie Sanders 2016!!! nt Zorra Dec 2014 #22

She's not running, Bernie says he will! Bernie all the way! Autumn Dec 2014 #26

Absolutely! HappyMe Dec 2014 #27

There is no doubt that Bernie is very serious about running. Hopefully, he will run as a Democrat, still_one Dec 2014 #34

If he runs as Ind I'll bet he gets a lot of Rep votes. L0oniX Dec 2014 #99

Nope, I don't agree still_one Dec 2014 #105

Yeah, most Republican voters are not gonna vote for Bernie Sanders YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #180

How did they treat Romney as a Morman aspirant Dec 2014 #201

Go Bernie! MissDeeds Dec 2014 #48

I did not see your post, but I agree totally! Mass Dec 2014 #67

If and when Hillary Clinton announces, I expect MineralMan Dec 2014 #29

Bill & Hillary have cashed in on Wallstreet banks so that would be very sad..... think Dec 2014 #80

Nevertheless, Warren will strongly endorse Hillary. MineralMan Dec 2014 #83

Wallstreet power trumps American democracy. I get that /nt think Dec 2014 #86

Economic policy trumps most thing, frankly. MineralMan Dec 2014 #88

So Citibank selling derivatives using funds backed by US taxpayers is sound economic policy? think Dec 2014 #97

Yes, according to Hillary and her banking buddies. I accept she's a Wall Street corporatist through and through. Just sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #188

It is sad. It's disgusting. AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #198

Yes! Get with the program! AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #197

If Bernie runs as a Dem, and she endorses Hillary, she will lose all her cred Zorra Dec 2014 #114

Perhaps, if that concerns her at all. MineralMan Dec 2014 #115

It is quite amazing how many people here really want to see something that isn't. I have tried to still_one Dec 2014 #31

I agree. Very amazing. Fantasy beats reality, I suppose. FSogol Dec 2014 #94

Why is it she is doing great things in the senate? aspirant Dec 2014 #203

Senate majority leader would also be an aspiring position. joshcryer Dec 2014 #210

Being President is overrated anyway BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #36

Never say never madokie Dec 2014 #49

If she continues to endorse Hillary RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #54

Not an exclamation point. A "never" on the end. magical thyme Dec 2014 #56

She isn't running at this time. But I do believe she is testing the waters. Tatiana Dec 2014 #64

People cannot take NO for an answer. I have read people commenting on this interview by Mass Dec 2014 #65

The thought of Hillary being the POTUS is very painful for a hell of a lot of Democrats. L0oniX Dec 2014 #85

Yes, I agree, so why support somebody who is not running why an excellent progressive has signaled Mass Dec 2014 #87

I'm fine with her not running. No matter who runs or what direction they try to take Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #68

I am on the Bernie team, but would love to see Warren on the ticket, too. djean111 Dec 2014 #79

I suppose it would be rude to say "I told you so"..... brooklynite Dec 2014 #81

I'm sure you will gloat with the Queen at your next salon meeting. benz380 Dec 2014 #106

Or maybe I'll chuckle with Elizabeth Warren at our next lunch... brooklynite Dec 2014 #118

JEEEzus. Make a Sherman statement or don't. To hell with exclamation points. n/t yodermon Dec 2014 #82

...because how a bunch of bloggers interpret her remarks is the most important thing to her. brooklynite Dec 2014 #119

If Warren is not running then find someone else bl968 Dec 2014 #89

Let's be honest: if Warren said: "I WILL NOT RUN in the future"....... brooklynite Dec 2014 #93

I kind of doubt she'll run - TBF Dec 2014 #98

This is becoming the "Dead Parrot" sketch Yavin4 Dec 2014 #101

Exactly. The depths of denial on display are breath-taking. I rofl'ed. FSogol Dec 2014 #104

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #160

"No" means "yes"!!!! zappaman Dec 2014 #108

Isn't it odd that every single conservadem on this site is ecstatic that Liz probably won't run? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #111

Here you go. FSogol Dec 2014 #112

Really? Point to one... brooklynite Dec 2014 #120

It oozes from all your pores LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #124

In other words, you can't find an example... brooklynite Dec 2014 #131

Who is ecstatic? Stating currently known facts doesn't equal ecstasy. phleshdef Dec 2014 #122

If only we had a way to understand what "I will not run" meant. FSogol Dec 2014 #123

If only we had saved our Malt-O-Meal magic decoder rings, dammit! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #194

Yep Union Scribe Dec 2014 #136

She's playing the long game... Javaman Dec 2014 #121

She'll be 71 in 2020 - TBF Dec 2014 #125

Exactly. Age matters, its pretty much now/never. Luckily, she's never said she isn't going to run. RiverLover Dec 2014 #128

Too bad. I'm still not voting for Hillary. vi5 Dec 2014 #126

Then it would mean that you are making a decision that is and should remain political into Cal33 Dec 2014 #142

Not personal. vi5 Dec 2014 #147

I don't like her policies for exactly the same reasons. But I do think that Hillary's Cal33 Dec 2014 #149

If she lost to the repubs back then, how could she win now? aspirant Dec 2014 #205

I don't quite follow what you mean. In 1993 Hillary was not an employee of the government. She Cal33 Dec 2014 #211

So she took on repubs and lost with the support of the president aspirant Dec 2014 #213

Hillary isn't going to take away Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Affordable Care Act, Cal33 Dec 2014 #214

If I don't vote for HRC, people will die. aspirant Dec 2014 #216

If you don't vote for HRC when she is running against a Republican for president, more people will Cal33 Dec 2014 #217

You can peddle this fear of death somewhere else aspirant Dec 2014 #218

Okay. I've done my best to explain, but your mind is made up. Cal33 Dec 2014 #219

then we're screwed Doctor_J Dec 2014 #127

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #132

"..Senator Warren has publicly announced she is not running for President in 2016.. " In a letter Cha Dec 2014 #137

Warren's lawyers: "not confuse donors about a non-existent run for President" FSogol Dec 2014 #138

Oh yeah, like Elizabeth doesn't want them to waste their hard earned MONEY! Nice person. But, Cha Dec 2014 #139

But how do you know she didn't have her fingers crossed? brooklynite Dec 2014 #148

I don't.. she sure is expending a lot of energy to make it as to "..not confuse donors about a non- Cha Dec 2014 #150

MAYBE she wonders why she keeps saying she's not running, and people keep saying she is? brooklynite Dec 2014 #154

If she changes her hairstyle suddenly, overnight, then we'll know for sure! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #195

I think she needs to say this... steve2470 Dec 2014 #140

You can't see Warren's hands. Maybe her fingers are crossed! FSogol Dec 2014 #143

She hasn't signed an oath in blood yet....so....some won't believe it! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #152

The election is.... 99Forever Dec 2014 #153

Hmm...what's she trying to tell us? brooklynite Dec 2014 #155

If there was only some way to tell what she meant. FSogol Dec 2014 #157

Thanks for pointing that out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Dec 2014 #162

What has O'Malley done that makes you think he is a "another Wall St hand me down"? FSogol Dec 2014 #171

Hillary is the worst. n/t PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #164

Where in my post do I say anything about Hillary? FSogol Dec 2014 #169

Apparently, some people on DU think she's just another lying sack of shit politician baldguy Dec 2014 #167

What I want LWolf Dec 2014 #170

True. Even without running, she is probably pushing the Democrats to the left FSogol Dec 2014 #173

So whats the date when we can officially write her off? BootinUp Dec 2014 #175

I hope she's not the nominee for the following reasons YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #176

this is what candidates usually say Enrique Dec 2014 #183

It' also what non-candidates say when they're not running. brooklynite Dec 2014 #212

They just want her to declare first and get out of Clinton's way... Orsino Dec 2014 #199

So glad this thread popped up again - evidently it is "STFU because Liz said she is not running" day djean111 Dec 2014 #202

If she runs, she runs. If she doesn't, she doesn't. Rex Dec 2014 #215