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Beastly Boy

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43. There is a lot more to Hamas atrocities than starting the killings.
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:19 PM
May 13

And yet, mentions of their guilt are exceptionally few and far between, and are made predominantly in the context of criticizing Israel. Something like "Hamas is a monster, but..." That's the extent of it.

And there is absolutely no mention of their role in purposely and deliberately exposing Gazan civilians to the dangers of the war they are waging against Israel - the principal cause for civilian casualties in Gaza. Were the Hamas militant to conduct warfare away from schools, hospitals and refugee camps, as they are mandated to do by international law, they could have spared tens of thousands of civilians in their care. But that would have been the exact opposite of their intent to "martyr" as many Gazans as possible, which they were never shy to express openly.

So let me give you an example of how talk of Hamas' guilt is being avoided: your post above.

Let's begin with "Everyone knows Hamas started it". Not only does this avoid the description of the "it" that Hamas started, this statement stops at what Hamas started and addresses none of the extent of what they are doing now and will be doing in the future to prevent the ending of the killings.

That's where your criticism of Hamas ends. From there, the post immediately does a 180 turn and deflects from Hamas to "abandonment of two-state negotiations, breaking of the ceasefire and... renewed strikes and killing though, which you acknowledge", a transparent swipe at Israel. Moreover, you took it for granted that this is what I acknowledge, whereas I acknowledged something entirely different, something way beyond this one-sided interpretation.

More than that, you are proposing that what I presumably acknowledge "sure seems to be the intent of the Netanyahu government to do ethnic cleansing." And from there, you venture from what is not about to happen the absurd speculations into what happens after the make-believe non-event happens. I know the definition of ethnic cleansing, and since I do, I would never suggest to you that ethnic cleansing is Netanyahu's intention. If you were to look into this definition beyond the shallow appropriation of the term as an insult, I am confident that this will no longer seem to you, notwithstanding your current presumptions of anyone's intent to rid Gaza of all Palestinians, let alone being capable of achieving anything of the sort.

"Israel deserves better leadership." Did it occur to you that Gaza deserves a better leadership too? Why not a word about that?

Israel deserves more than a better leadership. Israel deserves secure borders. Israel deserves more than being belittled by slanderous echo chamber of baseless accusations indiscriminately thrown at it. Israel deserves international support to elect a better leadership. Indiscriminately calling Israel a "pariah nation", throwing at every opportunity will not get you there. This will only get resentment from the Israelis who will only become disgusted by being made a scapegoat for everything wrong happening in the Middle East and by the entities that embody their disgust .

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This is never going to stop, Bayard May 11 #1
More war crimes by a pariah nation. brush May 11 #2
Beat me to it, agreed. It is not antisemitic to call out the horror that the Israeli government is doing Cheezoholic May 11 #3
A reminder: Beastly Boy May 11 #5
Using that failed argument again, sheesh. Eko May 11 #8
You know, there is a whole lot of nuance between extremes Beastly Boy May 11 #9
it is a scale that determines each country's standing between "loved" and "pariah" Eko May 11 #10
No silly! GDP doesn't measure opinions! Measuring opinions is only good for determining the number of opinionated people Beastly Boy May 11 #11
I brought up GDP because it was literally your first reason. Eko May 11 #12
This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up. I linked to it. Beastly Boy May 11 #14
You literally typed it and posted it here. Eko May 11 #21
I did, didn't I? Beastly Boy May 11 #23
Forget? Eko May 11 #24
At the risk of repeating myself, Beastly Boy May 11 #26
So from your link exactly where did you get "in the top 15% on the economy" Eko May 11 #27
From my link: Beastly Boy May 11 #28
So, exactly as I said. GDP. Eko May 11 #29
I mean, you could have gone by polls to help prove your point but since they dont you didnt. Eko May 11 #13
I could have, but I didn't have to. Beastly Boy May 11 #15
Oh yeah, Eko May 11 #18
Feel free to update the list with more recent data. Beastly Boy May 11 #20
A jeeze you dare me? Do you double dog dare me? Eko May 11 #22
I did. And I did. And I did. Beastly Boy May 11 #25
Sure, sure, cause GDP shows how the world thinks of a country. You win. Eko May 11 #30
Here you go. Eko May 12 #40
I thought it was past your bedtime. Eko May 11 #19
Please instruct on how to make criticism of Israel more nuanced and more accurate, not to mention more persuasive. PufPuf23 May 11 #16
Well, your post is one way of doing just that. Beastly Boy May 11 #17
Sorry, BB, it has to be obvious to you as it is to everyone else who is willing... brush May 11 #31
I dunno... are you sure I am winning? Beastly Boy May 11 #32
It's a new Nakba. Israel deserves better leadership. brush May 11 #33
Exactly. Beastly Boy May 12 #34
Please. It's obvious the Netanyahu gov. wants to rid Gaza of all Palestinians. brush May 12 #35
When youi are calling Israel a "pariah nation", you are specifically targeting the Jewish nation, not Beastly Boy May 12 #36
My apologies, but why doesn't Israel kick his ass to the curb... brush May 12 #37
Once again, a simplistic meme that avoids the complexities of what you are proposing. Beastly Boy May 12 #38
I expect more than talkiing points from you. brush May 12 #39
While this is also a simplistic proposition, I deplore the continued killing. Beastly Boy May 13 #41
Pls, everyone knows Hamas started it. There is abandonment of two-state negotiations, breaking of the ceasefire and... brush May 13 #42
There is a lot more to Hamas atrocities than starting the killings. Beastly Boy May 13 #43
I've never denied or avoided acknowleging Hamas' atrocities. Instead of listing them chapter and verse over an over... brush May 13 #44
You did. As recently as 12:24 pm today. Beastly Boy May 13 #45
Pls. Saying everyone knows Hamas started it is... brush May 13 #46
No, it's acknowledging one atrocity while remaining silent on the multitude of other atrocities. Beastly Boy May 13 #47
Acknowledge Netanyahu/IDF atrocities. The deaths keep happening daily. brush May 13 #48
I am absolutely able to see the bias in constantly deflecting from Hamas atrocities. Beastly Boy May 13 #49
Not so. Atrocities have happene on both sides. brush May 14 #50
Yet you never referred to Gaza as a "pariah nation". Beastly Boy May 14 #53
Curious: there seem to have been no fatalities or injuries among the Hamas militants in Gaza. None. Beastly Boy May 11 #4
You heard it many times. Pariah nation. They can do nothing right except cease to exist AZLD4Candidate May 11 #6
Yeah, except when they release their own videos. Mosby May 11 #7
Shame on claudette May 14 #51
Time to cut off Israel. Why the hell do we still support them? OrlandoDem2 May 14 #52
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