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hunter

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12. Places with the most highly developed wind and solar industries...
Wed May 21, 2025, 12:39 PM
May 21

... tend to have the most expensive electricity.

That's because you still need to build and maintain backup power systems to cover the demand for power when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

Here in California our "backup power" is natural gas. When the sun is shining brightly these filthy natural gas power plants are not making any money but we still have to pay for them.

You can watch how this works in real time here:

https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply

At the moment 81% of the electricity I'm using is "renewable," mostly solar. As the sun goes down California will switch to natural gas.

In Denmark and Germany, countries with aggressive renewable energy programs they pay even more for electricity than we do here.

Hybrid natural gas / wind / solar / battery power grids will not reduce the total amount of greenhouse gasses humans dump into the atmosphere before our civilization collapses; they will not "save the world."

Like it or not, the only energy resource capable of displacing fossil fuels entirely, which we must do, is nuclear power.


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how much of that will be sucked up by AI and bit mining? nt Javaman May 21 #1
A lot DUU May 21 #3
My first thought after reading the headline... IthinkThereforeIAM May 21 #9
And U.S. electricity generation was flat for so long, e.g. 2023 was about the same as 2007 (16 years). progree May 21 #2
I've signed a new one year contract after my last one expired. Rates per KW are up 25% over last year. surfered May 21 #4
And we could have clean energy (given by God for the MAGA crowd) in the form of sun and wind. OrlandoDem2 May 21 #5
Places with the most highly developed wind and solar industries... hunter May 21 #12
I'm fine with your last sentence. OrlandoDem2 May 21 #13
how many of u rember this ad campain put out by the electric utilities years ago AllaN01Bear May 21 #6
I remember back in 1979 BumRushDaShow May 21 #8
Said the same BS with Wolf Creek in Kansas. With massive cost overruns Bengus81 May 21 #21
According to Eric Schmidt former Google CEO ... OldBoss May 21 #7
solar solar solar.... for much of the country. WarGamer May 21 #10
The "solar will save us" cults, are the problem, not the solution. What is needed is reliable continuous clean energy. NNadir May 21 #20
I'm not talking about Solar saving the planet... WarGamer May 21 #23
The hidden cost of the "solar will save us" myth is the... NNadir May 21 #24
Well, duh? Unca Jim May 21 #11
I remember back in the 70s trying to reduce energy. LisaM May 21 #19
Nikola Tesla envisioned a world where electricity was accessible to everyone for free Polybius May 21 #14
cryto minining should be illegal North Coast Lawyer May 21 #15
Crypto is bad, but most of this growth is AI, not crypto lostnfound May 21 #16
Almost ENTIRELY because of fucking AI, which the government still refuses to regulate. It's such a massive energy drain Karasu May 21 #17
Yeah...AI formally known as Google Search Bengus81 May 21 #22
Our solar panels have never looked better! 11 Bravo May 21 #18
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